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October 21, 2014 10:04AM
http://www.raceimage.com/products_byprice_3-1-1.html


is it a bad idea to show up to your first rally wearing nascar gear?



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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 10:15AM
Oh ..I'm sure no one would even notice and there would never be a 50 page thread about it..eye rolling smiley

Mebbe put a nomex "SUCKS" right after NASCAR would getcha thru the crowds safely.

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October 21, 2014 10:34AM
i just figured what the nascar guys wear might be more comfortable than a geforce thingy



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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 12:14PM
Those look like they will be way more flexible than the bulkier g-force suits. Since they are also NOMEX and not a treated fabric, they might be safer in the long run (has anyone documented treated cotton vs NOMEX over time and washing?)
They also have some in the tall and not so fat size too!
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October 21, 2014 01:22PM
All of that stuff will be first rate quality. SFI labeled also. Looks like as long as you match the sizes..I'll bet it is all custom made for the particular crew guy and not off the hanger , one size fits all stuff.
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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 04:05PM
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Those look like they will be way more flexible than the bulkier g-force suits. Since they are also NOMEX and not a treated fabric, they might be safer in the long run (has anyone documented treated cotton vs NOMEX over time and washing?)
They also have some in the tall and not so fat size too!

Anybody been burned to a crisp and needed skin graft once the gangrene was under control?

Anybody documented what happens when the suits eventually fail and melt into the sizzling meat below.

Treated cotton we know it does not bond with the skin when it eventually burns, but do we know really what happens when synthetics ultimately melt?

I know real well what happens when cotton soaked in gasoline burns for a long time...



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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 04:42PM
I cant remember? Can we have a 2 piece fire suit? You just need the same sponsor and you would be fine in what ever suit!



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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 07:04PM
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I know real well what happens when cotton soaked in gasoline burns for a long time...
If we're looking for anecdotal evidence...

A few years ago there was a trailer fire at an event in Quebec, during recce. EVERYTHING was gone, the trailer burnt to the ground, buy the race suits left in the trailer looked practically new.

If Nomex suits presented risks in extreme conditions that treated cotton didn't, I doubt they would be the default material for high end suits.



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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 07:11PM
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Anybody documented what happens when the suits eventually fail and melt into the sizzling meat below.

Treated cotton we know it does not bond with the skin when it eventually burns, but do we know really what happens when synthetics ultimately melt?

Yes we do. Nomex does not adhere to skin even when it burns through. It does not melt ever, that's why all the oil and gas companies use it, because unlike rally, you are way more likely to (way less likely these days than ye old days) have something happen like an arc flash from equipment or ignition of some form of gas.

Here's Dupont's take on it, and they manufacture both types of fabric:

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What is the difference between inherently flame-resistant fabrics and chemically dependent flame-retardant fabrics?

Answer:
Protective apparel made with Nomex® is inherently flame-resistant. The actual structure of the fiber itself is not flammable, which means the protection is permanent. The protection is built into the fiber itself and can never be worn away or washed out. When exposed to flame, the aramid fiber swells and becomes thicker, forming a protective barrier between the heat source and the skin. This protective barrier stays supple until it cools, helping to give the wearer vital extra seconds of protection to escape. Chemically dependent flame-retardant fabrics, such as Indura® flame-retardant treated cotton, FireWear® and FR rayon, provide a different type of protection. A chemical additive in the fiber or treatment on the fabric is used to provide some level of flame retardancy. During an industrial fire, chemically dependent fabrics rely on a chemical reaction to extinguish the flame. The heat of the fire and the amount of time the fabric is exposed to the fire triggers this reaction. As the time and heat exposure increase, heat transfer and the resulting burn injury to the wearer increase dramatically as the flame-retardant chemicals activate. These chemicals and the fabric produce vigorous afterflame, hot gases, smoke, and tars that can adversely affect the wearer.
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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 07:15PM
Actually, you don't even need to take DuPont's word for it...



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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 07:55PM
Yes we can have two piece suits. There has been a lot of research and a lot of testing into Nomex firesuits , real world testing. Seems like it works pretty well, especially when layered.
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Re: suits
October 21, 2014 11:53PM
so i think i am effed, I did some in house measuring and got 35/35/35 lol

I don't think anyone in nascar is my size



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Re: suits
October 22, 2014 12:19AM
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so i think i am effed, I did some in house measuring and got 35/35/35 lol

I don't think anyone in nascar is my size

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Re: suits
October 22, 2014 07:45AM
Ooohhh....im buying the pink one!
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October 22, 2014 07:48AM
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so i think i am effed, I did some in house measuring and got 35/35/35 lol

I don't think anyone in nascar is my size

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you never know, this happend when i was born and I was born at Edwards AFB that same day

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