Anders Green Anders Green Godlike Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Yes, existing events can either mentor and teach others, or doom themselves to either extinction or a lot of work for themselves while complaining that no one else ever helps. People should be far less concerned with what happened and much more concerned with "What have I done to actually help my local event this week?" "But I don't know what to do?!!!" is the refrain. Well, you do: http://www.nasarallysport.com/main/helping Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
tipo158 Alan Perry Mega Moderator Location: Bainbridge Island, WA Join Date: 02/20/2008 Age: Ancient Posts: 430 |
Olympus is relevant to this discussion because Steve's proposed event would have been on roads adjacent to the Olympus roads. Someone could read Steve's comments and think that Olympus was one of the "established events" that needs to look to new events as good and not a threat. I cannot speak for the Olympus organizers; I am simply speaking as an individual who happens to be an Olympus organizer. Having said that, as far as I can tell, the Olympus organizers don't see new events as a threat and welcome new events. I know that I don't see new events as a threat. We need more people who are willing and able to do event organizing. The sport will not continue here if that does not happen. My only concern with new events is whether they run safely otherwise they could put Olympus at risk. Olympus spent a few years wandering around when we lost the Green Diamond roads after 2007 and I don't want a repeat of that. I don't know what happened with Steve's event. I wouldn't have been able to be there because of a prior commitment and am very busy with work, so I wasn't following what was up with it. I was asked about it, but I didn't know much, so there wasn't much for me to say. alan |
ALS FTW Don K. Oates Professional Moderator Location: Strathmore, AB Join Date: 01/19/2015 Age: Settling Down Posts: 137 Rally Car: looking |
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northcoast Kevin Morrison Professional Moderator Location: Puyallup, WA Join Date: 03/03/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 81 Rally Car: 1998 Subaru Imp |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yeah, two hours between your's getting cancelled and theirs getting announced as a done deal.. Hardly missing a beat. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Anders Green Anders Green Godlike Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
http://www.nasarallysport.com/main/event/2015-Washington-Test-Day-1 Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
northcoast Kevin Morrison Professional Moderator Location: Puyallup, WA Join Date: 03/03/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 81 Rally Car: 1998 Subaru Imp |
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Anders Green Anders Green Godlike Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
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steevano61 steven warren Godlike Moderator Location: olympia WA Join Date: 11/27/2012 Age: Ancient Posts: 45 Rally Car: 1979 RX 7 |
To start pointing fingers would be the easy way out of this but not the right way. In the end it still comes back to me. This was a huge undertaking which I knew from the start, and for much of the last 2-3 years, one which I worked alone towards. Even with a full group of organizers, creating and building an event from nothing is hard, alone it is nearly impossible. The reasons behind this foolishness were simple, this was my dream and no one else's so I never had an expectation of anyone else offering to jump in and devote the time and energy required to see this through. However I did believe in "if you build it, they will come" and it appears I was right. Through the course of this I did make my share of mistakes, got brutally schooled in politics and learned a great deal. I started this because I Love Rally, I love the sport, most of the people and almost everything about it. I have been more fortunate than most in that I have had opportunities that most could only dream of. Being taken in by John Nagel in the late 70's and having a front row seat up to and including the WRC years of Olympus. To be around people like Ron Barker, John Nispel, the late John Forespring, people who I look to as mentors. I have owned cars and driven in rally's, co-driven, promoted, volunteered and helped organize events and all of this has led to a very clear picture I have and attempted to create. I have been very outspoken in what I believe, in area's that I think we can do better in and changes I feel that would benefit our events and sport. As in life, those views were not shared by everyone around me and it was made very clear by some that my opinions and likewise myself, weren't welcome. That is the very reason I set off on my own create events like this. Rally is an ever changing landscape and in this region I think we're missing the boat to some degree. I say that with no disrespect, several of the best events in the country are here but that is also my point... We're top heavy on Huge events and almost devoid of anything below that. I hope that the ball I started rolling will continue and have no doubts that my views and thoughts will be shown correct if given the chance. Unfortunately I do not know if I will ever be able to shed the dark cloud around me that the unnamed sources and their tall tales created so my future involvement at any level is at best questionable. Having said all that, to delve any deeper into this would at best be an attempt to clear myself and point blame elsewhere. To do so would only cause more fights, more negativity involving rally and that is the opposite of my intentions. So at this point, please accept my apology and lets move forward. steven |
steevano61 steven warren Godlike Moderator Location: olympia WA Join Date: 11/27/2012 Age: Ancient Posts: 45 Rally Car: 1979 RX 7 |
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steevano61 steven warren Godlike Moderator Location: olympia WA Join Date: 11/27/2012 Age: Ancient Posts: 45 Rally Car: 1979 RX 7 |
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tipo158 Alan Perry Mega Moderator Location: Bainbridge Island, WA Join Date: 02/20/2008 Age: Ancient Posts: 430 |
The problem is that that is not going to happen. This is going to be yet another drama in the on-going rally soap opera that people will bring up when they are pissed about something else that they didn't like or otherwise use as an example of what's wrong with rally. It doesn't matter that the story is incomplete; people will fill in the gaps to suit their own preferences. alan |
northcoast Kevin Morrison Professional Moderator Location: Puyallup, WA Join Date: 03/03/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 81 Rally Car: 1998 Subaru Imp |
Less drama, more RALLY!! I love the idea of a rally sprint series. I think Steve nailed it when he said that the PNW is lacking in regional events. If someone else wants to get a series started I would gladly help in whatever capacity possible as long as I can still compete. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2015 07:47PM by northcoast. |
Clayto Clayton McCrary Elite Moderator Location: Olympia,WA Join Date: 07/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 161 Rally Car: XRatty purchased. Now build it!! |
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tipo158 Alan Perry Mega Moderator Location: Bainbridge Island, WA Join Date: 02/20/2008 Age: Ancient Posts: 430 |
The PNW IS lacking in regional events. Then again, Mt. Hood had almost 37 stage miles, short transits and a $250 ($350 late) entry fee and could only get 16 cars, so maybe the demand isn't actually there to support more events. alan |