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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 12:41AM
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Seehorn is selling his SP car for $32K. I think I can build a pretty good BMW for half(ish) that, depending upon how much I want to spend on the suspension.

Or 1/4 that since aside from a cage and suspension--under $5500--there is nothing to do to a BMW--according to the experts.

The only big nut to crack is getting a car made to do 2 things--putter in low, and go REAL high speed---instead be really quick in the middle range--25 to 90mph

(and not break oil pumps, and drop valves 3x cause the valve locks leave the valve loose and unstable, and the lower shock mounts shear off constantly and the stub shafts rattle to death)

The stuff people have run them have repeatedly encountered...



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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 09:53AM
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O/A RA
Class Car # Driver/Co-Driver Make/Model Totals SS1 SS2 SS3 SS4 SS5 SS6 Subtotals Penalty
Points
1 SP 56 Jeff Seehorn/Jake Blattner 2005 Subaru STI
0A:36:10.1 0:04:11.7 0:05:36.0 0:08:12.0 0:04:07.4 0:05:41.0 0:08:22.0 0:36:10.1

2 O 457 Sam Albert/Michelle Miller 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
0:38:39.4 0:04:21.0 0:05:45.0 0:08:33.0 0:04:25.4 0:06:06.0 0:09:29.0 0:38:39.4



3 G2 469 Josh vonAhlefeld/Tim Wright 1985 Volkswagen Golf GTI
0A:41:04.3 0:04:45.4 0:06:21.0 0:09:06.0 0:04:38.9 0:06:44.0 0:09:29.0 0:41:04.3


4 G5 945 Dave Clark/Billy Irvin 1989 Merkur XR4Ti
0A:41:20.7 0:04:45.7 0:06:35.0 0:09:45.0 0:04:43.0 0:06:25.0 0:09:07.0 0:41:20.7


5 G5 207 David Hintz/Richard Hintz 1999 BMW M3
0A:41:47.3 0:04:47.1 0:06:33.0 0:09:28.0 0:04:47.2 0:06:33.0 0:09:39.0 0:41:47.3

6 O 224 Malcolm Davies/Bruce Parker 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse
0A:41:55.9 0:04:55.6 0:06:32.0 0:09:32.0 0:04:47.3 0:06:28.0 0:09:41.0 :41:55.9


7 G2 96 Garth Ankeny/Russ Kraushaar 1969 Saab 96
0A:42:03.5 0:04:53.9 0:06:45.0 0:09:29.0 0:04:51.6 0:06:39.0 0:09:25.0 0:42:03.5

Yep BMW seems to do OK.....but so do simpler and cheaper cars about as well

Not possible, Golves are terrible horrible junk compared to all of those other cars.



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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 11:07AM
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O/A RA
Class Car # Driver/Co-Driver Make/Model Totals SS1 SS2 SS3 SS4 SS5 SS6 Subtotals Penalty
Points
1 SP 56 Jeff Seehorn/Jake Blattner 2005 Subaru STI
0A:36:10.1 0:04:11.7 0:05:36.0 0:08:12.0 0:04:07.4 0:05:41.0 0:08:22.0 0:36:10.1

2 O 457 Sam Albert/Michelle Miller 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
0:38:39.4 0:04:21.0 0:05:45.0 0:08:33.0 0:04:25.4 0:06:06.0 0:09:29.0 0:38:39.4



3 G2 469 Josh vonAhlefeld/Tim Wright 1985 Volkswagen Golf GTI
0A:41:04.3 0:04:45.4 0:06:21.0 0:09:06.0 0:04:38.9 0:06:44.0 0:09:29.0 0:41:04.3


4 G5 945 Dave Clark/Billy Irvin 1989 Merkur XR4Ti
0A:41:20.7 0:04:45.7 0:06:35.0 0:09:45.0 0:04:43.0 0:06:25.0 0:09:07.0 0:41:20.7


5 G5 207 David Hintz/Richard Hintz 1999 BMW M3
0A:41:47.3 0:04:47.1 0:06:33.0 0:09:28.0 0:04:47.2 0:06:33.0 0:09:39.0 0:41:47.3

6 O 224 Malcolm Davies/Bruce Parker 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse
0A:41:55.9 0:04:55.6 0:06:32.0 0:09:32.0 0:04:47.3 0:06:28.0 0:09:41.0 :41:55.9


7 G2 96 Garth Ankeny/Russ Kraushaar 1969 Saab 96
0A:42:03.5 0:04:53.9 0:06:45.0 0:09:29.0 0:04:51.6 0:06:39.0 0:09:25.0 0:42:03.5

Yep BMW seems to do OK.....but so do simpler and cheaper cars about as well

Not possible, Golves are terrible horrible junk compared to all of those other cars.

Oh I don't know.
I'd choose a Golf before a E36 M3..
For just the cost of a damaged E36 M3 you could but a complete proper gearbox for a Golf...With a Lego-ed together 2,0 16v and a good box, then a Golf might be good enough to occasionally beat a '69 Saab V4 if its a mild one like Garth's.



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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 11:17AM
The Golf has a 2.slow bottom end, an 8v head, and CIS injection last time I checked. It is a VERY simple car that is VERY well put together.

The Xratty is less than the SP Subaru, including the new engine upgrade. It's also raced for 3 (?) seasons with the only major issue being blown up 2.3 motors and turbos, and the occasional wheel falling of (cough cough).

I have no clue what's been done on the BMW besides better brakes and suspension.

So if you want a quick SIMPLE car.... build a VW golf ?!

My plans for 2016: Possibly, maybe, get the stupid 16v golf on stage... maybe. It's been neglected for too long.

Gobright! We should have a race to see who can get their VW projects on stage first. I'm feeling a little bit zesty. You in for it?
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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 11:29AM
So, John's 2016 plans are to cheer all non-BMW stuff.



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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 12:07PM
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So, John's 2016 plans are to cheer all non-BMW stuff.

That's a bit unfair Grant.
I'd suggest that John's 2016 plans are the same as his 2015 plans which are the same as his 2010 plans, which are the same as his 2005 plans, and so-on.
I'd guess his plans are to promote rallying with simple platforms that he knows to be cheap, reliable, and sustainable over the long term.
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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 01:29PM
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So, John's 2016 plans are to cheer all non-BMW stuff.

That's a bit unfair Grant.
I'd suggest that John's 2016 plans are the same as his 2015 plans which are the same as his 2010 plans, which are the same as his 2005 plans, and so-on.
I'd guess his plans are to promote rallying with simple platforms that he knows to be cheap, reliable, and sustainable over the long term.

Let's see, we did approximately 22 hours of competitive track racing before head gasket failure on 190k mile engine, at which time we bought a whole running car for $500 and grabbed engine, gearbox, and the LSD out of it, swapped engine and LSD into the track car and did two hill climbs in it then drove it home and parked it in my garage until next season. I have under $6k total into this car.

All the "issues" John talks about on BMWs are either known issues with early engines (valve retainers) of which there is an easy and cheap fix (weld on oil pump nut, replace with newer metalurgy retainers), wear items which EVERY car has (check axle stub shafts regularly) or design issues that you would think a garage suspension expert would be more interested in the solution than talking shit on them.
Regardless the fact remains, the majority of interested people want to rally a Subaru. Our customer base is easily 90% Subaru.



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Re: 2016 plans
November 09, 2015 02:28PM
its funny though all of these discussions on cars there is never a talk about matching a car to a driver...

Are you a conservative guy who likes going hammer down when all feels right? Go for a high horsepower car over stoutness

Are you a balls to the walls, must drive foot to the floor at all times? Build a tank of a car and go light on the motor

Somewhere in between... open light

The thing is we call come from different backgrounds with different driving styles. Through crashes, preparation styles, age of equipment, the anal retentiveness of your crew and the depth of your wallet there are so many variables that can hinder you from placing well in a rally.

Hell i have a barely warmed over TDI with Hotbits and I drove my first rally sprint like a pansy.. i got second* thanks to crashes and failures. My buddy who has a cam'ed 2.0 Golf with a diff and some Shine Racing springs on bilstein HD's won... he's firmly in the first group

*a post awards protest resulting in a classing change put me in third "officially"
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Re: 2016 plans
November 11, 2015 12:44PM
Figure out the death wobble in the Ram. Fix. Find track days and actually use the helmet I bought more then once with my new Toy. Get my HAM license. Help put on Sandblast. Drink lots of beer. Make more beer.
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Re: 2016 plans
November 11, 2015 01:40PM
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Figure out the death wobble in the Ram. Fix. Find track days and actually use the helmet I bought more then once with my new Toy. Get my HAM license. Help put on Sandblast. Drink lots of beer. Make more beer.

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Re: 2016 plans
November 13, 2015 07:00AM
you think thatd be the case on a 2012? It has played hard and has a lift. One thing i didnt chk yet.
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Re: 2016 plans
November 16, 2015 01:03PM
Well, now that I am a home owner, I don't have the "I'm saving for a house" excuse. Now it's a matter of getting my motivation back to working on a car in the garage when I've done just about fuck all to my own car over the past couple years.

For 2016, I'd like to run Sno*Drift, but the wife isn't a fan of the cold weather. I promised Mary that 100AW was fast roads and last we ran we had that 6 inches of slurpee slush fall down. So I think a 2016 100AW would be a good redemption.

After that, there's rally car #2 that I need to rebuild the motor after I broke it on a track day (snapped the timing belt) the first time I drove it in anger. I'm guessing I'll want some cheaper and closer events. So that leaves STPR for a national event or running smaller events like Magnum Opus or Summer Sno*Drift.


On a side note, I'd love if there were some actual hard top honda RWD out there. S2000 motors are dirt cheap since kids love crashing theirs trying their best Tokyo Drift impressions. Can't complain about a 2.0L that makes 240hp@9k or a 2.2L that makes the same 240@8k. It seems the cheapest way to get a straight cut dogbox is raiding circle track parts bins.

BMW really seem the only non-vintage models that are up to the task, but like John said, cost to repair them and maintain them is more expensive than a VW, Ford or Honda.

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Have always wanted to run SnoDrift

Ideal season would include:
Sno Drift --- because glare ice (will run gas powered car rather than toque maker)
Tennessee Tarmac --- because best roads
West Virginia --- because 25 mile stages at night on great roads
NEFR --- Because lots of competitors & Concord Pond
Cherokee Trails --- because even more bestererest roads than Tennessee Tarmac

So, 2.5 to 3 'ghost' events plus two others...

I'd be happy to run that. Never ran RWV, it was supposed to be my first rally back in 2008 but I skipped it over running LSPR instead. I'd probably replace NEFR with STPR, Magnum Opus, Summer S*D for local.

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I've heard that Sno*Drift isn't all that fun in 2WD but I had a lot of fun running 2WD at Big White two years ago. I think all the 2WD cars were running studs though. I know I was and Taisto was. I think the cars that were running studless were all AWD and on Yoko 15" tires.

Granted, I've done exactly one (1) snow and ice event, but I'm not sure I'd want to run studless in a 2WD car. It was way too easy to spin the drive wheels and I suspect that both the weight and the grip of the AWD cars makes a big difference in their ability to take advantage of the studless tread. I don't really know - when it comes to those sorts of conditions I don't really know my heiny from a hole.

I think if I were in your shoes, John, I'd wander over and see if Garth will let you borrow the Saab.

S*D isn't bad in 2WD as long as you have proper tires. I've ran non-tractionized tires several years and it can get sketchy, I need to run some proper tractionized tires one of these years. I love the event, lots of a sliding, but you'll likely get in a snow bank at least once over the weekend.

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Re: 2016 plans
November 16, 2015 01:58PM
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BMW really seem the only non-vintage models that are up to the task, but like John said, cost to repair them and maintain them is more expensive than a VW, Ford or Honda.

You agreeing with something John said? smiling smiley My VW TDI that I've average 5k miles per year since owning costs me more in repairs per year than the total cost of the most expensive BMW I've bought. So far I'm at 1000, 1100, 500, 1100, 500 and 175 in purchase price for the six I've bought. The two cheapest were good drivetrain cars that I bought JUST for the engine, transmission, differential, and spare parts.

I offered a friend and customer that's been on the fence about rallying a BMW or a Subaru the opportunity to perform labor on the engine swap and help with other needed labor to build the Compact using 2.8L drivetrain from the $175 328i in exchange for driving the car in our local hill climb series in 2016. I'm going to stick to driving the Goose up until the Lands End Hill Climb then get it back into Chump form for the COTA event and then it will likely become a more dedicated traditional road race car for 2017 and I'll move into the Compact.



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Re: 2016 plans
November 17, 2015 09:22AM
You're right on the VW. Part of the reason I went to a Honda to get ease of parts/price.

I still want to go from FWD to RWD eventually. BMW is probably the best bang for the buck you can get for OEM motors and power with our current rulesets. Six cyl BMW, and larger displacement Four Cyl will still be O2WH in NASA because they still have the 4 valves/cyl adjustment last I checked (much like a 2.5 2wd subaru is O2WH). Ideally, I'd like to stick with G2 for RA, I don't feel like running G5 for the sake of G5 and not having any competition.

I always forget about mustangs, mainly due to the live axle, but you can get Cobra R rear end swaps on them. Depending on what you want there are pretty good V6 options on modern motors to get 300HP which is plenty for RWD. Could even have potential of Ecoboost options if you want to do a 4cyl turbo option and want to deal with the fab work. The new models are just too heavy IMO.
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Re: 2016 plans
November 26, 2015 03:17AM
Update. It was a slow start since my job is 100% commission based but I'm getting the hang of this shit who knows maybe I'll finally be able to afford a volvo to hit the stages (or cones or sumpthin).

Even if this dosen't work out that well I took my GED and I'm pretty sure I aced it so my resume will be stacked like a motherfucka.

I guess we'll find out how years of Gran Turismo, RBR, and 2 whole hours of indoor karting seat time translate into rally cars.

I suggest you leave your AWD subie home this year. thumbs up smileythumbs up smileythumbs up smiley
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