You've looked at the suspension, so why is it truly shitty? My defense is based on the cars merits versus most other fwd cars currently available. Civics usually don't DNF due to suspension issues, but due to crashing it seems. You can get sufficient travel out of the Civics (again, relative to everything else). Final Drive 4.9 - $584 http://www.teammfactory.com/catalog/partno/MF-TRS-02D49 ZC Transmission Ratios 3.25 1.944 1.346 1.033 .878 Diff http://www.teammfactory.com/catalog/partno/MF-TRS-10D15A $900 Close ratio gear kit if you want to skip getting the more difficult to find transmission: http://www.kingmotorsports.com/p-4067-gear-x-d-series-individual-gear-high-1st.aspx http://www.kingmotorsports.com/p-4066-gear-x-d-series-close-ratio-helical-cut-gear-set-1.aspx And that's assuming all new. Now, I personally wouldn't do this. You can get a sequential with whatever ratios, final drive, and plate type lsd for $8k usd that is ready to go from quaife. But you asked for info, there it is. A close ratio synchro box with plate lsd for about $2500usd. Or you could step up to a dogbox for ~$4500usd. Is it perfect? No, but no car is. And certainly, I believe anyways, more doable for the average joe than fabbing up new towers and 4-links in most rwd cars. And it'll be a lot of fun for the money. |
ElectroTech Steve Wheeler Mega Moderator Location: Fork Lake, Alberta Join Date: 06/09/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 336 Rally Car: 1992 Golf |
I'd be looking hard at one of these if I already didn't have a gear set, 4.24 or 3.94 depending on what motor you have works with variant B........ $1586USD gets a whole gearset, https://www.drivesport.ca/collections/synchronized-gear-kits/products/vw-02a-j-synchro-gear-kits Power means nothing if you cannot control it! |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Godlike Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
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ElectroTech Steve Wheeler Mega Moderator Location: Fork Lake, Alberta Join Date: 06/09/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 336 Rally Car: 1992 Golf |
http://www.sqsracing.com Power means nothing if you cannot control it! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2017 06:55PM by ElectroTech. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
The double wishbone morphodite shit is shit because its wimpy, has tiny weak ball joints, the weird goose neck cast iron POS thing that sweeps up fracture, the rear is made out a maybe max 3mm flat plate which is fine for UP and down motion but weak as taffy for any side loads---and in that its same as Fuck-us, or the new IRS Golf like the 2017 sitting here.
Maybe they're crashing because of shiit flexible 3mm think junk suspension. Shit: Not particularly short for a motor that revs like they do.. My own car is 5.43:1, 7000 gives about 105mph...0,92 top gear so 5.00 overall top gear..Right what we would expect..
For a guy who thinks he knows enough to critize and lamely try to claim somebody only knows outdated stuff, you're really showing what a blowhard bullshitter you really are Vokes.. That's not a close ratio gear set... That's barely different than waht comes in Xratties with a big turbo and big broad torque curve: V6 Type 9: 1st: 3.36 2nd: 1.81 3rd: 1.26 4th: 1 5th: 0.82 Here are typical gearbox ratios in cars with 1600-2000cc motor and rwd 2.25, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.84 2.25, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.87 2.25, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.79 2.25, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.82 2.48, 1.69, 1.28, 1.0, 0.92 2.48, 1.69, 1.27, 1.0, 0.96 2.48, 1.69, 1.28, 1.0, 0.87 2.48, 1.69, 1.27, 1.0, 0.90 2.16, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.84 2.16, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.87 2.16, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.79 2.16, 1.53, 1.16, 1.0, 0.82 2.39, 1.69, 1.28, 1.0, 0.92 2.39, 1.69, 1.28, 1.0, 0.96 2.39, 1.69, 1.28, 1.0, 0.87 Look at the thing you are wildly claiming to be "close ratio" look especially at first gear ratio.. Instead of being an ignorant know-nothing fucking punk, multiply 1st ratio by that ring and pinion you thought was OK.. your shit comes in around 16:1 TOO SHORT, that would be a car length and a half in first before shift.. Multiply 5th times axle'... Too Tall.... the car would be slow of would slow down o anything not dead flat... Clearly you don't know what a close ratio rally gearbox is, only what other useless arrogant faggots have told you--birds of a feather. That's nice.
Meh, lotta money for three gears and leaving a 1st that becomes too short..
Yeah yeah, whatever...That's you..Your solution is obviously to spend spend spend...
I can't believe you thing adding towers is a lot of work. or 4 links..That was for decades considered normal prep before the sport saw a lotta guys just like you who are politely put basically useless whiners with zero mechanical skills or balls...in short mere consumers. Generations of drunk Irish and drunk English and Ozzies and Swedes and Finns could somehow manage to run a few welds and add towers so they could have long travel gravel cars and you didn't hear them whine and simper like you.. Maybe that's why they're so much faster than you even with all the crutches you have to have just to go flip every other event... You probably never heard that you get out of an endevour what you put into it...And that didn't mean buy buy buy.. Whatever, your repellent consumerist attitude aside, the Honda of some years can and ARE fun little cars with some curable weaknesses.. Killer engine potential....but costly for correct gearbox stuff...like ALL FWD cars.. Some---the ones with STRUTS ----have been proven quick in real fields (not in little events with 18 entries)... I guess the question becomes: Which Honda have front struts? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
danster Haggis Muncher Junior Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
O Seamus, where art thou...
I don't interpret the above as requiring mega championship winning spec shizzle. I've now had a revelation and decided that mk3s are shit. Start with a 2 door mk4 shell as easily available and strong and safe as fook to start with and most of the mechanically weak parts associated with mk1, mk2, and mk3 platforms are already beefed up or improved. Strip out and throw away all the interior trim and seats and a lot of weight will be lost. Benefits are you start with a newer shell with room for cage and helmet wearing occupants, stronger flywheel / clutch, gearbox, shafts / CVs, rear stubs (though rear axle design not ideal), bigger brakes options Plus loads of cheap donor cars for parts. Caveat to the above is I still don't know if regs require that cars must retain their oem ecu and cat emissions systems. If you can toss all that guff then a decent torquey 2.0 8v ain't hard or expensive to put together. Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
DanielSL Daniel Infallible Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
Danny;
So he should do what I did without the 1.8 T motor. LMAO!!! And without the 30+ page build thread with 15 + pages of JVL insults, and pompous braggadocios. So find a 2004-2005 Mk. 4 Golf 2 door shell with a 2.0,and go to town. Good luck. Don't do anything that I did... ever... and you'll be fine. |
danster Haggis Muncher Junior Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
TBF you took a lot of justified flack. All that wittering on about turbo tunes, ridiculously larger brake / wheel / tyre combos for 2nd gear hooning round a field, excessive procurement and application of stickers, and iirc last time I looked your thread was on to the subject of in-car entertainment. Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
DanielSL Daniel Infallible Moderator Location: Vero Beach, Florida Join Date: 03/02/2016 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 338 Rally Car: 2005 VW Mk. 4 Golf GTI 1.8T |
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Easy to work on, not like the ball joints die in one rally. Do you have a picture of the fractured shock fork? Rear can be reinforced, or changed if someone desires. Relative to what we are doing (being slow), its a perfectly acceptable car compared to most other fwd options. Which you can't seem to comprehend. Whatever John.
Not going to bother going over the other stuff, I was showing what could be done with a d-series. If anyone was ever going to do a proper Civic rally car, they would run a b-series. Close ratio kit is $900 for a true close ratio box like you would like, same price for a 5.13 final drive. You now use facecrack, you can certainly type it into google for 5 seconds and find it if you want. It really isn't, I don't quite understand where you get this idea from. I run an open class car cheaper than most teams run their 2wd or production cars. Because I cheaped out, I fell from 4th to 7th overall (8th with time penalty) at Big White as I didn't have the proper tires. That hurt, and was a poor choice in spending. Lesson learned there. The contingency would have paid for the A034's, and those last many events, and I bought them anyways for Perce not even a month later.
I don't. I cut out and repaired the rusted out floor in a $1k Honda rally car to save it, even though no-one else could/would/did in the 5 years it sat. And then fabbed up proper FIA seat mount bars. Whoopdee doo! But for a vast majority of people, that isn't the case. And as I talked with a rally car builder the other day, doing two seat mounts properly, neatly, with good fitment, takes their shop 1.5 days. Shit like that adds up. TIME is money. You have (or had) all the time in the world because you haven't done anything in 30 years John. Some of us have other things on the go. I'd love to spend hours in the shop fabricating, but I can't do that, I need to prioritize my time. And earning money wins every time, as there are people out there that are better than me at that stuff. So whatever. The argument is merits of the Mk3 golf. Relative to it, the Civic, in my opinion, is superior, and is superior to most fwd cars. RWD cars like you suggest are (at least around these parts) basket cases, impossible to find, and beyond any of that require extensive work to not run like pieces of garbage and be slow. I've owned a volvo, and I've driven Merkurs. They are pretty awful anywhere near stock. |
SeamusMcC Seamus McCarthy Mod Moderator Location: Schaghticoke NY Join Date: 04/17/2017 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2 Rally Car: Not yet |
Thanks everyone, there was a lot here to process. The short story of it all is I'm back to looking into running a RWD car and strongly considering volvo 240. I don't know much about volvo's but have been reading all the builds on the site and I'm starting to get that they are cheaper to build, maintain and when all hell breaks loose they will still limp across the finish. Any other RWD cars I should look at throw them at me.
Grant, the Accent was the car I used to bomb around with in my youth. Such a light car, cheap to work on, but I don't think it would hold up well after multiple rallies and it never seemed like the kind of car that would have a strong aftermarket community but I don't know enough to be certain of any of that. Also, they crumple on impact like a paper ball. |
wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Professional Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
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"Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne "Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Godlike Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Professional Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
Specifically for DanielSL. "Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne "Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain |