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Philosophy of Gearing

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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 04:03PM
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From personal experience and 30 years of watching Merikun and Canajian rally, I think the mostly ignored self-improvement part is whats needed and that means practice, and LOTS of it.
But driving around in fifth to find a deserted - but not properly closed - road to practice doing what you think is right doesn't really help much does it?
Sanctioned test days where you can take a variety of known good drivers in the car with you combined with rally schools that give you sound fundamentals to practice with later (usually for about the cost of one or two rally weekends, and MUCH more seat time) are a big part of what is missing - from my 15 years of watching, and being involved in the sport.
One constant I've found is that people who go to schools with the intent to learn, almost always come out instantly faster and safer on stages. On the other hand, people who go out and practise the same 'bad habits' rarely get better, and quickly become harder to teach different approaches to.

None of which has anything to do with gearing ratios... which I think everyone knows are one of the first things you want to optimize in a car to make it work really, really well - if your class allows it. (Good suspenders MIGHT be the first thing... imho)

Morison, you argue like these fascists Republicans we have.. were you a Harper fan?

Nobody said a fucking thing about going out and practicing "bad Habits"..

And I'll counter than MANY people who I have encountered who go and piss away $2500 or $3400 seem to have mainly learned some "received dogma" to repeat, and which somehow justifies the expense...and a fair number recognize that the meager exposure to the new ideas will fade to nothing very rapidly if they do not go out and do something to reinforce and incorporate those skills.

Whatever, you always push what politely can be called "conservative, conventional, and obedient". And you will never concede that your experience in small 100% amateur events with cars being driven by any wider measure, moderately is a very limited vision..
You're a cheer-leader...I've often wondered if you wear pleated skirts and have pom-poms you shake when you practice your cheer-leading..

Stop arguing against your straw-red-herring attacks...
Stop trying to perpetuate the idiotic idea that all learning must always and only occur in a structured environment that somehow involves YOU..



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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 04:05PM
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... which I think everyone knows are one of the first things you want to optimize in a car to make it work really, really well - if your class allows it. (Good suspenders MIGHT be the first thing... imho)

Tires, suspension, and schooling/learning proper car control and lines. Not particularly in that order, but all 3 are very important.... probably more so than gearing.

Wrong again, noob.



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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 04:27PM
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Nobody said a fucking thing about going out and practicing "bad Habits".
But without some basic tuition, chances are it will be bad habits being practiced and engrained into muscle memory.

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...and a fair number recognize that the meager exposure to the new ideas will fade to nothing very rapidly if they do not go out and do something to reinforce and incorporate those skills.
No shit, captain obvious. (or is that oblivious)
Regular use of a skill is crucial to keeping it at its best. Repetition, and lots of it, is needed to get the most out of your performance... and I don't think anyone thinks differently.
If you thought I was suggesting rally school replaces practice, you were wrong. What I was saying is that practice without rally school can be futile and counterproductive.

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Whatever, you always push what politely can be called "conservative, conventional, and obedient". And you will never concede that your experience in small 100% amateur events with cars being driven by any wider measure, moderately is a very limited vision.
I know all too well the limitations of my experience and exposure (or lack thereof) to the rally world at large.


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You're a cheer-leader...I've often wondered if you wear pleated skirts and have pom-poms you shake when you practice your cheer-leading.
I'm flattered, if rather disturbed, you think of me that way.


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Stop trying to perpetuate the idiotic idea that all learning must always and only occur in a structured environment that somehow involves YOU..
I've never said learning must involve me... that's absurd on its face value. I can help people learn, particularly about co-driving or event organising... and even a bit about driving, but in no way do I suggest I am THE place to learn anything.
But... what I do know is that learning from others is better, faster, and more focussed than learning on your own. It is also likely cheaper in the long run if you measure by the time it takes to reach a competitive pace.
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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:03PM
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... which I think everyone knows are one of the first things you want to optimize in a car to make it work really, really well - if your class allows it. (Good suspenders MIGHT be the first thing... imho)

Tires, suspension, and schooling/learning proper car control and lines. Not particularly in that order, but all 3 are very important.... probably more so than gearing.

Wrong again, noob.





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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:06PM
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Tires, suspension, and schooling/learning proper car control and lines. Not particularly in that order, but all 3 are very important.... probably more so than gearing.
Wrong again, noob.
and the right answer would be?
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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:23PM
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and the right answer would be?

Whatever words he types. Could be the exact same thing you said stated in a different way, but unless it is his idea, it's wrong smileys with beer
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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:26PM
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Where's the like button???thumbs up
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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:33PM
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Tires, suspension, and schooling/learning proper car control and lines. Not particularly in that order, but all 3 are very important.... probably more so than gearing.
Wrong again, noob.
and the right answer would be?

The guy Ryan said it already..just a few response up...^
you that forgetful? I know that brain dead Vokes wrecked his brains with meth of airplane glue but can't you reatin anything?

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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:43PM
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Re: Philosophy of Gearing
July 12, 2017 05:52PM
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Good god, is that what Vokes has to wear after all those years hanging around bars turning cheap $5 tricks?...Yuk!



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