sagsert Mustafa Samli Professional Moderator Location: Arizona Join Date: 01/10/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 824 Rally Car: Gaylant VR4 |
I am not intending to run any RA rallies in 2006. In addition I have confirmation that Cem Akdeniz (STi GrN), Cemal Balat (DSM Open), Hakan Okcuoglu (DSM Open), Murat Okcuoglu (Starion Gr5) BTW this is the whole STC (Sporting Turks Club) and even maybe Burak Tuglu (323 ProductionGT) will not be competing in RA rallies due to the fact that the "Safety Rules" are too ill thought and forbidding. We don't believe as competitors (read customers) we are being getting the respect and competitor (read customer) service we deserve. Yesterday Jeff Shu also confirmed that he has no intentions to run RA events du to the same facts.
We will not yield to sanctioning bodies sudden rule changes and capricious attitudes due to knee jerk reactions and dictatorshiplike tactics. We were promissed an open discussion environment and we are once again dealt a fixed hand which is probably going to cause amateurs and newcomers to shy away from our sport. We will not be an instrument to the decostruction of rallying in the US or anywhere else in the world. I knew hiring ex SCCA aparatchiks would be a mistake and I have been called a shit-stirrer for voicing my opinion about it. Guess what I was right (again). I would like to know who else is sharing our feelings. Fire away. Cheers M.Samli |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Elite Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Quite a few of us in Colorado have felt this way. Not all, but many of us. But, as our local event is still and RA event we are stuck. But, we have two new locations in the mountains we are looking into, both of which we would run under NASA regs.
I don't know if you've seen Aaron's comment about Great Lake's know it all's, but that's a common joke we have around here (and obviously doesn't apply to all Great Lakes region people). The main people running SCCA and RA in terms of operations and rules process are based in that region and believe themselves to be an ultimate authority. My hand's down personal favorite belief they hold is that a blind rally is safer than a recce rally. Oh, and I've heard opinions too that all non-national events should be route book only. That being said, we're not running any RA events except Cog, and we'll stick to stock fuel tanks from here on out. |
Skye Skye Nott Super Moderator Location: Vancouveh Join Date: 12/18/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 476 Rally Car: Xratty |
Really, you think recce is more safe? I can understand the argument, it's sure nice to know there's a big rock on the inside of the next corner. On the other hand you rely so much on the pace notes that you would drive a lot faster. Would probably result in more crashes until people learn to make good notes. After that, maybe a few less. It's all guesswork on my part though.
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Skye Skye Nott Super Moderator Location: Vancouveh Join Date: 12/18/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 476 Rally Car: Xratty |
sagsert Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I am not intending to run any RA rallies in 2006. > In addition I have confirmation that Cem Akdeniz > (STi GrN), Cemal Balat (DSM Open), Hakan Okcuoglu > (DSM Open), Murat Okcuoglu (Starion Gr5) BTW this > is the whole STC (Sporting Turks Club) and even > maybe Burak Tuglu (323 ProductionGT) will not be > competing in RA rallies Sounds like some sorta sleeper cell... I'm telling!! (Unless you show me around the Turkey rally scene after I get some driving experience) Skye www.rallyrace.net |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Elite Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
After running both. Yes. In the three years of the rally car class in the Colorado Hill Climb Association there has only been one wreck. We had fields of around 14 cars and 4-5 event seasons. No restrictors, no cats, courses ranging from 2.5 to 5 miles. I think I learned more about the limits of my car and driving ability at my first hill climb than I did in 60+ stage miles at 100 Acre Woods.
And, recce makes a codriver's job much more fun. Routebooks only are okay (I mean that's all they use in Finland for Group F) but you have to be ready to trash the car more often if you want to really push it and win. Or get really good at recovering it. |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Elite Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Oh, I just remembered another great one!!!
The V style for your door beams. Because someone heard from someone somewhere that a V bar done with one straight bar and two cut bars was in a car involved in a side impact and the weld broke and speared the guy in the leg, so now they recommend against doing it with that method and probably will require the V bar style door bars. |
Morten Morten Professional Moderator Location: Vancouver, BC Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 366 Rally Car: 1974 Dodge Colt |
I don't feel this type of management or BS from CARS.
Then again, it was nice to have the CARS President take the time to sit down, explaining the timing cards, etc... with us. Then at the end of our first rally for him to walk over and pat us on the back for finishing felt pretty decent. Personally I find the rally environment North of the 49th pretty decent. Can't speak by personal experience on the South of it, but from what I read... it speaks for itself. Since you're a Turk, you may feel more at home in our neck of the woods in North Vancouver. The Persian community is 50,000+ in one district. Wasn't Turkey part of that little Empire a few years back ? |
sagsert Mustafa Samli Professional Moderator Location: Arizona Join Date: 01/10/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 824 Rally Car: Gaylant VR4 |
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Morten Morten Professional Moderator Location: Vancouver, BC Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 366 Rally Car: 1974 Dodge Colt |
Before you waste your Gaylant money by sending me fleas, pick up a history book and do a search.
That area that defines Turkey today was part of the Persian Empire, just a few years ago. Well 2600 years ago... not that long ago. "The Persian Empire occupied the area in the 6th century B.C., giving way to the Roman Empire, then later the Byzantine Empire. The Ottoman Turks first appeared in the early 13th century, subjugating Turkish and Mongol bands pressing against the eastern borders of Byzantium and making the Christian Balkan states their vassals." Instead of sending fleas, you could spend your time painting your rally car to look like a rug. : ) |
sagsert Mustafa Samli Professional Moderator Location: Arizona Join Date: 01/10/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 824 Rally Car: Gaylant VR4 |
Nope, you still get the FLEAS.
Click on this for academic purposes you may learn something. http://www.goldenhorn-rotary.com/ercu/ERCU_FLASH_eng.html Cheeeeers M.Samli |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
sagsert Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Nope, you still get the FLEAS. > > Click on this for academic purposes you may learn > something. > > > > Cheeeeers > M.Samli Damn that was awfully polite. And uncalled for, too. This is rallyanarchy, a proper response would have been to really chew his ass all the pieces for presuming to tell you history.. I want you to go back and try it again, or go stand with your nose in the fuckin corner!!! |
Morten Morten Professional Moderator Location: Vancouver, BC Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 366 Rally Car: 1974 Dodge Colt |
Thanks for the website link, the sound of those lapping waves is very soothing.
But tell me why is it that the Rotary Club insists on using a fucking cam gear for their logo when the rest of the world damn well knows that a rotor is triangular ? Although I'm sure Felix Wankel would be greatful to the rotary club today for imortilizing his invention with a pseudo respectable organization. Cheers, M.Labo |
Well Morton, seems you now know the Iranians are responsible for all those damn tulips back home that everyone keeps talking about.
First Post, just found the site, and am loving it. its Schutzstaffel.com, with out the fuckin' censorship, and annoying people that bore everyone. Cheers Taro |
sagsert Mustafa Samli Professional Moderator Location: Arizona Join Date: 01/10/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 824 Rally Car: Gaylant VR4 |
Oy Gewalt !!!
Check out the Seed9 headline under CRS over at the SS.cum. Soon they are gonna try to declare us traitors. I want the power hungry midwesterner to resign and never open his pie hole ever again. Maybe then I may reconsider doing RA events. I was told that they approached 2 competitors to ask for their help with 2 RA rallies and they both sair "Pound Sand". Not only they are gonna lose entries (read $$$) they are also losing experienced volunteer/competitors. Cheers M.Samli |
sagsert Mustafa Samli Professional Moderator Location: Arizona Join Date: 01/10/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 824 Rally Car: Gaylant VR4 |
Fuck the fuckin fuckers.
They shouldn't let a baboon do the welds. My doors have the one single long and 2 short bars that do the X door bar and they are welded fine. I really don't feel like cutting those off and re doing the thing. So who wants to piss me off by talking shit against recce ? Recce is goooood, recce is your friend, enbrace your recce. Cheers M.Samli |