Good idea

Hey to lower insurance rates and save a lot of hassel I think we should just put the event trophys up for sale on ebay. Highest bidder wins.

OK so I am a little amazed at the hardare people bring to events these days.

D

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In the long run reality always wins.

derek Wrote:
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> OK so I am a little amazed at the hardare people
> bring to events these days.

Explain?

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Grant Hughes

I just remeber back in the dark days of the 1980's when basically everyone came with a competive car, a short rear end little bit of motor work and lots of cars made plenty of power for 2wd. Also as they had 2wd cars they tended to go a bit slower at least on most of the stage thus less big crashes for the most part.

Now I hear that we get Hans, FIA door Cards and FIA fire systems as requirements soon, to be added to the long list we have now.

Also joe mecanic can nolonger build a car that is competive at the sharp end of the field. Bob Reves, John Christionson, Steve Roberts, Steve Parker, Tim Arnold, Satch Carlson, Bill Brooks, Jerry Hines, Gerry Debold, Tim Paterson, Chris Sensky, Tim Burke and a few others all came with a car that could win at a local event, say the 1984 Tour De Forrest. Today we really only had 3 or 4 cars that had a realistic chance and they all are advanced cars with lots of systems, impressive systems...

It is sad to me that soon people are going to need active center difs to have a fighting chance even if they are good drivers as others are getting them now and they work so well.

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In the long run reality always wins.

Come on Derek, tell us what you are talking about.

BTW as long as there are idiots allowing DNFd cars rejoin the rally and score times (but no points), and post those times all over the event web site, insurance will not go down. We were lucky the dumbass in his halfass car didn't get involved in an accident, nobody would say 'look what so and so did', they'd say 'look what the rally people did'.

This kind of irresponsability is dangerous and is a pure proof of the Good-Ole-Boys Buddy System. Risking the sport to appease certain people is, in my book, stupid.

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Cheers
M.Samli
Phoenix AZ
Gaylant VR4
EVO III GSR (Stolen)


Rallies are no place for traitors

sagsert Wrote:
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> Come on Derek, tell us what you are talking about.

Mooosie he's saying why don't people just but the trophies up on Ebay with some crazy starting price and let people bid to win the trophy which is inscibed
RALLY HERO DUDE.
Cause people are ratcheting up the amount of money they're spending on cars to come out to local weenie events to really absurd levels.
>
>
> BTW as long as there are idiots allowing DNFd cars
> rejoin the rally and score times (but no points),
> and post those times all over the event web site,
> insurance will not go down. We were lucky the
> dumbass in his halfass car didn't get involved in
> an accident, nobody would say 'look what so and so
> did', they'd say 'look what the rally people
> did'.

Now what the fawk are YOU referring to specifically
>
> This kind of irresponsability is dangerous and is
> a pure proof of the Good-Ole-Boys Buddy System.
> Risking the sport to appease certain people is, in
> my book, stupid.

Names dates addresses??????
>
> Cheers
> M.Samli
> Phoenix AZ
> Gaylant VR4
> EVO II GSR
>
>
> Rallies are no place for traitors

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
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is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

You should go to a rally in the Midwest. The home of production Group 2 cars and the idea that Group 2 is basically Production but cheaper because you can use multiple year parts, ie. more junkyard parts.

Build a new car.

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Grant Hughes

NoCoast Wrote:
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> You should go to a rally in the Midwest.

I did go to Lake Superior once

The home
> of production Group 2 cars and the idea that Group
> 2 is basically Production but cheaper because you
> can use multiple year parts, ie. more junkyard
> parts.

Yeah, and that's why I don't want to go today.
>
> Build a new car.
New???!!!
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

There was a rally last weekend near Sin City.
Some wise person with unimaginable car prep skills who has been bragging about how his Toiletta Commoda was the badest machine in the world failed to run, because of a carburator problem, I say it was stupidity combined with him not knowing his asshole from a hole in the ground, he'd probably claim sabotage by evil Democrats. Well appears that with the help of somebody who actually know how carbs should work he got the car running at the hotel parking lot. Then him and his codriver showed up at the start of a stage in full rally regalia, and they were allowed to start the stages. They even had a mishap involving a steeringwheel COMING OFF on the first stage they ran. What would have happened if that mishap has happened on a transit and he has plowed in to a Dodge Caravan occupied by Mr and Mrs Milktoast and their 3 children, coming from the opposite direction ?????

You decide what to call this scandal. I call it Endangering The Sport.

PS Sorry for the hijack, I'm just miffed.

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Cheers
M.Samli
Phoenix AZ
Gaylant VR4
EVO III GSR (Stolen)


Rallies are no place for traitors



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2007 11:38AM by sagsert.

I had wrote more. I guess I will.

If Derek builds a new car, I assume he'll build something proper. Look at what has happened at the upper end of the spectrum with Open Class cars. It's the same as what Derek says about active center diffs. Every Open class car has to have them now to be fully competitive.

If top 2WD competitors have top cars, others will have to follow.

So, I say Derek needs to build a new car. Or buy one. Shit, buy that Merkur and build it into a cool Group 5 car.

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Grant Hughes

sagsert Wrote:
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> There was a rally last weekend near Sin City.
> Some wise person with unimaginable car prep skills
> who has been bragging about how his Toiletta
> Commoda was the badest machine in the world failed
> to run, because of a carburator problem, I say it
> was stupidity combined with him not knowing his
> asshole from a hole in the ground, he'd probably
> claim sabotage by evil Democrats. Well appears
> that with the help of somebody who actually know
> how carbs should work he got the car running at
> the hotel parking lot. Then him and his codriver
> showed up at the start of a stage in full rally
> regalia, and they were allowed to start the
> stages. They even had a mishap involving a
> steeringwheel COMING OFF on the first stage they
> ran. What would have happened if that mishap has
> happened on a transit and he has plowed in to a
> Dodge Caravan occupied by Mr and Mrs Milktoast and
> their 3 children, coming from the opposite
> direction ?????
>
> You decide what to call this scandal. I call it
> Endangering The Sport.

Who and where?
There was a rally near Vegas? Or a different Sin City? Who was it? What sanctioning body? Did the car pass a real scrutineering?

We had a similar issue here with a poorly prepared BMW that rolled at a hill climb, the battery fell out of the car and it was leaking fuel. The CHCA was ready to boot rally cars so you can bet that us other competitors are going to expect a better job from our scrutineers and will be self inspecting other people's cars to ensure compliance with rules.

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Grant Hughes

Pete Morris
Seed 9
Rally America (Oh yes the fuel cell rules make a lot of sense now)
Jean NV
The car passed tech
The car is claimed to take the first time card and started the first transit.
They broke down and returned back to the hotel parking lot where the repairs were done.

More details can be found at SS under CRS forum, if some posts are edited no worries, I have copies of the original posts I can email.

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Cheers
M.Samli
Phoenix AZ
Gaylant VR4
EVO III GSR (Stolen)


Rallies are no place for traitors

NoCoast Wrote:
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> You should go to a rally in the Midwest. The home
> of production Group 2 cars and the idea that Group
> 2 is basically Production but cheaper because you
> can use multiple year parts, ie. more junkyard
> parts.

Yeah but we always have a huge feild of G2 cars with great competition and camaraderie. What more could you want, a bunch of stuck up guys pervin over the hottest bits for their swank machines or a bunch of guys having fun out in the woods doing what they can with what they got?

I'd rather have a bunch of guys with hot cars that are all competing during the days and drinking beer at night together. I have a preference for rally cars that are fast and aren't a rollcage away from a stock car. I prefer sweet suspension and handling, lighter than stock weight, cool paint jobs/schemes, wicked fast gear ratios, and loud as fuck rally cars.

Seriously, it just takes a few nuts at the sharp end that can peddle them quickly down the stage for many others to follow suit. But why when the sharp end is just as easily obtained with a Subaru or Evo?

At least that is what I think. I don't think, nor did I say, that you guys have any less fun out there, or that it's not the way to go, it's just not what gets me stoked when it comes to 2WD. The only 2WD footage I've seen that got me stoked from the midwest was Himes in anything, and Pritchard in his old Golf. I guess Utecht would be impressive if I saw video, but it's too ugly to be captured apparently. At least I've not seen anything.

Fuck, look what you did. 20 minutes of not doing homework means 20 minutes longer until I finally get to go home and finally get to eat something today.

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Grant Hughes

Carl S Wrote:

Carl, since before you got into rally its become that Gp2 was just a temporary thing do do for a while until people decide to jump in the deep end and get a Sububitchi or an Evoburu so it seems like they figure "why bother" and they say "ya gotta have a turbo 4wd to be competitive----ignoring the evidence in front of their noses---or maybe being honest in advertantly when that say they have to have a turbo 4wd to be competitive.

In years past it seemed like guys would get into the woods with whatever,but they'd go in intending to continuously and progressively upgrade their cars. Helll there wasn't anything else so that was the only upgrade path.

No it seems many just yankl the back seat and call it a Gp2 car and run for years like that, and then go all ape-shit when somebody like Derek or Nate Tennis drives has a car and drives more or less like we did long time ago.
It should be noted that most of the time Nate is driving that 99 Saab at a soec the previous owner of most of his parts did way back in the mid 80s, yet people act like they're in awe.
Talk to him, he knows how mild it is and how low the spec is but it has the right bits.

And we aren't a bunch of stuck up assholes just because the cars go better, in fact I think when we drive our older but correctly build things which ARE FAST, it allows the crazy in us to show thru cause the cars GO LIKE CRAZY.

Anyway you gonna get a goddam 4.25 thing????
I wouldn't hold the breath on the 4.46. Get the 4.2 and use 1st thru 4th.
If you got 4.6 or 4.88 then 1st would be granny first so you'd really have to use 2nd thru 5th.
Using 1st thru 4th the gears are in the right place even if the shifter is still in a screw place somewhere on the floor instead of at the rim of the steering wheel like some superior designs, like my '69 Saab!!!
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> NoCoast Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You should go to a rally in the Midwest. The
> home
> > of production Group 2 cars and the idea that
> Group
> > 2 is basically Production but cheaper because
> you
> > can use multiple year parts, ie. more
> junkyard
> > parts.
>
> Yeah but we always have a huge feild of G2 cars
> with great competition and camaraderie. What more
> could you want, a bunch of stuck up guys pervin
> over the hottest bits for their swank machines or
> a bunch of guys having fun out in the woods doing
> what they can with what they got?
>
> www.DFLrally.com

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

I didnt mean to imply that I think all guys with fancy cars are stuck up assholes, only that some spend waaay too much time trying to find speed through fancy cars rather than seat time. And, for me at least, with my limited budget its more important to be on stage in anything, than to be building an ubermachine. I guess my balance of build vs race may be different than others because I think being on stage in anything is a fucking hoot! Though I do believe in some hot parts that the fun:cost ratio is right on. And my car now is my "for now" car. I've got a 3 year plan to improve my monetary situation, then I'll build something with more properer bits. And sorry if I sound kinda all over with my comments, I know what I mean but its hard to put it into words. But I'm in rally for the long haul and seat time is the most important to me right now, and I havnt been getting enough latley!!

John, did you see my note in the other thread about the ID of the ring gears? I'll call you on wed about them.