Did the Atlas Axle ever come in a car sold in the US?

Just curious. Trying to figure out - it looks as it may have come in the Capri or Capri II, but I can't tell from online research.

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It came in both Mk1 and Mk 2 Capris over here. In fact, when I was preparing Ralph Kosmides Mk 2 Escort shortly after he bought it from Jimmy Wright I had to rob the rear axle housing out of a Mk 1 Capri parts car that Jimmy had because the one in the car was bent.

What I'm not sure about is whether the Atlas axle only came in the V6 cars or if it was in the 4 cylinder cars as well.

I'm probably just wasting my time typing this, though, because JV will soon chime in with the correct answer that he has committed to memory.

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It came in both Mk1 and Mk 2 Capris over here. In fact, when I was preparing Ralph Kosmides Mk 2 Escort shortly after he bought it from Jimmy Wright I had to rob the rear axle housing out of a Mk 1 Capri parts car that Jimmy had because the one in the car was bent.

What I'm not sure about is whether the Atlas axle only came in the V6 cars or if it was in the 4 cylinder cars as well.

I'm probably just wasting my time typing this, though, because JV will soon chime in with the correct answer that he has committed to memory.

For sure the V6s cars and very probably the 2.3 cars and possibly the 2,0 Pinto cars.
I believe only the US 1.6 cars got the English axle.

Why, whatcher need? I gave one to Garth in Portland a short while back...

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Since Jari likes detroit iron, and has to run formerly homologated cars in yourup, and the group a moos tang was homologated with an atlas axle by zakspeed who were using it in some udder cars.bthat's why.

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Since Jari likes detroit iron, and has to run formerly homologated cars in yourup, and the group a moos tang was homologated with an atlas axle by zakspeed who were using it in some udder cars.bthat's why.

Only the MFG can homologate parts.
The same part such as the Atlas axle can of course be homologated in a number of different cars such as Capri ( i have the homologation papers for Capri just over there----> ) and MkI and MkII Escort, but I've never seen anything that does not include the OEM part ie the Ford 7.5 or the 8.8 and then a variety of variant options..
Zakspeed may have requested Ford list the Atlas for some reason, but Shirley one cannot believe they ever intended to put a V8 in front of it..

Who has the Moose-angst Homologation papers? Lets look and see.

Atlas is study in its full floater form in a light car and maybe 260 Beee Haitch Peas but that can be a GBP2000 axle for ordinary common stuffs like Escort width...
And it is only a barely 7" ring gear. Dana 30 has become the fashion lately and they call it the Titan cause its stronger than Atlas...

I am confuse.

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Only the MFG can homologate parts.
The same part such as the Atlas axle can of course be homologated in a number of different cars such as Capri ( i have the homologation papers for Capri just over there----> ) and MkI and MkII Escort, but I've never seen anything that does not include the OEM part ie the Ford 7.5 or the 8.8 and then a variety of variant options..
Zakspeed may have requested Ford list the Atlas for some reason, but Shirley one cannot believe they ever intended to put a V8 in front of it..

http://www.ecurieinvestments.com.au/pine-pac-group-ford-mustang

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Whoa! Looks like JVAB struts on front almost.

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Whoa! Looks like JVAB struts on front almost.

Except for the frog's butt green....

Neat old car, hope someone finally bought a better timing chain. I'm kind of lost on the diff thing unless they were trying to provide for locally available stuff in Europe??

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Only the MFG can homologate parts.
The same part such as the Atlas axle can of course be homologated in a number of different cars such as Capri ( i have the homologation papers for Capri just over there----> ) and MkI and MkII Escort, but I've never seen anything that does not include the OEM part ie the Ford 7.5 or the 8.8 and then a variety of variant options..
Zakspeed may have requested Ford list the Atlas for some reason, but Shirley one cannot believe they ever intended to put a V8 in front of it..

http://www.ecurieinvestments.com.au/pine-pac-group-ford-mustang

I hope you are not taking what some advertisements full of errors and confabulation says (Group 2 and Group5 ? try Group 4) about back then as gospel. The Homologation papers holds the only binding infomation. And here's the deal; All GroupA cars were "descended" from the base of a Group N car. ie you had to build (from 1982 till 1 Jan 1993) minimum 5000 units of the base "GpN" car, then make all the cool bits to make a GpA car in a run of min 5000 and within that there was the provision in Group A roadracing for "evolution" parts and cars done in a series of 10% or 500.

Point being is if there's a Gp A homologation, there has to be a GpN and if there is a GpN, then the original axle is in the GpN papers and can be used.

Advertisements from someplace with just the word Ecurie alone is bad enough, but "investments" oh dear........can you say en Francaise poseur?

Somebody really needs to look at the homologation papers carefully, that's always the start.

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Homo Nos.

5140 A Ford Mustang 5.0 GT 4968 01.05.1983 USA 4
5266 A Ford Mustang 5.0 GT/ 85 4968 01.04.1985 USA 5

http://livethedreamgroupa.blogspot.com/

“Just pop down the street & buy a new spool now”! says I
Not that easy to find I can tell you
Now the phone calls, internet searches, the head scratching begins, because the diff is an Atlas, out of a 3 ltr GT Capri made in the late 70’s, not an easy task to find

Finally he rings Ken Hooper in NZ, the Group A Mustang expert & ex Pine Pac Racing Mechanic, who built the car in 1985 & rebuilt in 2006 & upon asking where he got the spools from Ken replied, he had made them.

Rear end:

http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/History/Racecars/pinepac1.htm

John, I do know the interplay between Group N and Group A, at least now. I don't know whether that was the case back then. This list shows that some cars were homologated in both A and N, or just A or just N.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/84AD8CFF7700D1EAC12578160040DC50/$FILE/HomologatedForms-SortedByMake&Model-2010.pdf

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John,
You're a bit mistaken on the homolgation issue. Some cars were homolgated into GpN, some in GpA, not necessarily both. My Datsun 510 was GpA only, I would have been happier to run GpN in Olympus . As it were even in GpA the carb was stock Hitachi 2 bbl...sucked .

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John,
You're a bit mistaken on the homolgation issue. Some cars were homolgated into GpN, some in GpA, not necessarily both. My Datsun 510 was GpA only, I would have been happier to run GpN in Olympus . As it were even in GpA the carb was stock Hitachi 2 bbl...sucked .

Gene, when your car was first homologated, just like mine it was homologated in Group 1, then "If entered in Gp2 , then the following parts are allowed..."
and If it was Homologated into Gr4 then "If entered in gp4, only the following points apply...................."

I think your ol "alleged 510" was a "A10"
There wasn't any A, B, or N until '82
So it was Originally homologated as a Group1 car and as a nice gesture, Nissan rebubmitted the homologation papers when the new Groups came into force.
That is what Saab did, and it was guys I've met who did the papers for them and who 'splained a lot of the ins and outs.

They also brazened it out in that series production for the 96 had ended like Feb1980---(and I just happened to have the afternoon off when I was workin in Central London and I wander by some pretty place and there was one of Carlssons old Monte Carlo cars, so i wander in an some upper class Pom says, with clipped moustache and quivering lip "On this day production has ceased on these great automobiles after 20 glorious years" (key inspiring music!) but Saab still had and you could buy brand new "T" shells well into 1981, so they claimed the end of "production was in 81, so I got in under the "5 year rule".

There's deffo sumpin up with that list cause under the "date Homologated" they're showing dates in the 70s for GpA papers...and there weren't any A till 1 Jan 82

I have Homolgation papers for all versions of the Saab, GpA Capri, GpA Kadett 16v and have spent hours making notes of the Sierras, my lasting impression is, since say a alternat axle is ALLOWED its allowed but there is nothing stopping you from using the axle which came in the "5000" eligibility cars..

think: no way was there 5000 Moosangst out there with Atlas axle. Atlas was an allow alternate part. Allowed not required.

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I agree on the axle, I'm sure it was an allowed modification. The Datsun was listed as GpA 1983 I think on the papers and was the homolgated version from SoAfrica. Olympus was the last year for my car as your Saab I believe.

I had the wrong head, wrong cam, wrong axle ratio, wrong lsd, wrong disc brake axle housing and the FIA asshole only worried about the little tiny Formuling France stick on trunk lip....

Still if they want to keep the car period correct they need the Atlas axle.

I have two, one '74 3.44:1, and a '76 3.09:1, which one do you want??

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I agree on the axle, I'm sure it was an allowed modification. The Datsun was listed as GpA 1983 I think on the papers and was the homolgated version from SoAfrica. Olympus was the last year for my car as your Saab I believe.

I had the wrong head, wrong cam, wrong axle ratio, wrong lsd, wrong disc brake axle housing and the FIA asshole only worried about the little tiny Formuling France stick on trunk lip....

Still if they want to keep the car period correct they need the Atlas axle.

Betch a nicle the normal road car 5000 the built to quilify is homologated with whatever came in whatever year Mosseangst
If it were required, then they would have to had made 5000 cars with that axle, and so far as we know, they didn't. The homologated the Atlas as a VO or "Variant Option".
For example in GpA the Sierra can use the oEM Euro Ford 7.5 with oem VC "pumped up---thicker sploodge--- or the nice and rare ZF diff, OR the Ford 9"
They can use the stock Borg Warner T5--and they said they did in Safari---or the Getrag 262 like in this Mustang, and same as BMW, Rover and Volvo used, and for roadracing only they homolgated an Evolution variant like this:


Clutch shaft just a smidge longer, eh?

Somebody must look at the papers, that's where the answer is, not in guessing.

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