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Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 23, 2013 11:06PM
Damn, pretty good. JVAB wishes big congrats to all and an extra nod to several who I helped just a tad:

Atlantic Rally Cup
Place # Entrant Class Vehicle Total
1 50 Colin Bombara /Larry R. Pantzer All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza RSTI 1:12:34
2 48 Brian Mc Namara /Amber Stacy All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza 1:18:36
3 1 Erik Potts /Aaron Crescenti Two Wheel Drive Ford Focus ZX3 1:19:03
4 24 Brenden Belge /Matthew Norton All Wheel Drive Mitsubishi Evo 8 1:20:19
5 91 Erika Detota /Mary B. Warren Two Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza 1:22:03
6 905 Ryan Wilcox /Brett Urbon All Wheel Drive Subaru OBSTi 1:22:04
7 75 Justin Carven /Steven Harrell Two Wheel Drive Volkswagen Golf 1:22:36
8 3 Simon Wright /Kieran Wright All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza 1:23:35
9 23 Corey Kline /Benjamin Brown Two Wheel Drive Volkswagen Golf GTI 1:23:47
10 99 Dmitriy Martynov /Daniel Salive Two Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza 1:23:48
11 903 Daniel McCarron /Brian Penza Two Wheel Drive Honda Civic 1:24:13
12 47 Kevin Allen /Elizabeth Cordara All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza 1:26:12
13 92 Mark Hille /Thomas Gundersen Two Wheel Drive Merkur Xr4ti 1:29:42
14 912 Alex Kuklov /Natalia Kuklova All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza RS 1:31:27
15 906 Scott Beliveau /Michael Beliveau Two Wheel Drive Volkswagen Golf 1:32:45
16 79 Dennis Romero /Andres Romero All Wheel Drive Subaru WRX 1:33:25
17 901 Rich Smith /Tony Zanni Two Wheel Drive Honda CRX 1:39:06
18 22 Nicholas Martinez /Jeffrey Hagan Two Wheel Drive Nissan Sentra 1:39:48
19 84 Matt Brandenburg /Brian Huntsbarger Two Wheel Drive BMW E36 1:43:53
20 914 Brendon Raymondi /Robert Russo Two Wheel Drive Dodge Neon 2:00:36
21 94 Gary DeMasi /Joachim Sandgaard Two Wheel Drive Ford Ranger GD50 2:10:13
22 37 J. Tyler Rohrer /Ryan Symancek Two Wheel Drive Ford Focus SVT 1:20:18
23 71 Eric Langbein / Jeremy Wimpey Two Wheel Drive Volkswagen GTI 57:46
24 98 Liam Mulvey /Bernard Farrell Two Wheel Drive Mazda Rx7 1:01:54
DNF 95 Jim Kelly /Dean Thuline Two Wheel Drive Ford Escort GT DNF
DNF 913 Robert McFadyen /Carl Berntsen Two Wheel Drive VW GTI DNF
DNF 54 Thomas Barton /Brian R. Barton All Wheel Drive Mitsubishi Evo IV DNF
DNF 36 Sean Burke /Timothy Bauer Two Wheel Drive Honda CRX DNF
DNF 60 Peter Hascher /Grzegorz Dorman All Wheel Drive Subaru WRX STi Type RA DNF
DNF 69 Mickey Moran /Alice Von Denes Two Wheel Drive Volkswagen Golf DNF
DNF 15 Michael Reilly /Joshua Benthien Two Wheel Drive Ford Focus DNF
DNF 909 Lajos Jonas /Attila Asztalos Two Wheel Drive BMW 325 DNF
DNF 87 Neal Liddle /J. Scott Sibya All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza WRX DNF
DNF 907 Ian Kessler /Austen Levesque Two Wheel Drive Honda Civic DNF
DNF 910 Robert McNeil /Patrick Wieler Two Wheel Drive Mitsubishi Lancer DNF
DNF 2 Eric Wages /Sarah Montplaisir All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza WRX DNF
DNF 72 Torren Carlson /Aris Mantopoulos All Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza DNF



Including 2 in top 10 and a good OVERALL Win.. Congrats to all



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 23, 2013 11:33PM
I'm guessing Langbein and Mulvey are also DNF since they are missing the last three stage scores.
Makes it:
24 cars finish, 3 with JVAB Soooper Bitchin Suspenders...ca 12.5%

41% DNF rate... any ideas why?
Results not in the universally acceptable format?
84% of cars started on something OTHER that JVAB-SBS :-)

Looks like 4 stages dropped for the cars, 2 for bikes.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 24, 2013 10:20AM
We are well chuffed with our results and very pleased with the JVAB SB-50s. Haven't taken the car off the trailer, so no post rally inspection yet. But they peformed very well, especially coming down off so many jumps. It's hard to describe the feeling when you've got air and the car comes down and stays down and just goes! No bouncy or recoil. Sweet.

Day 1 was was very wet and the usually firm stages turned to mud-slush in places making for just-keep-it-on-the-road-dammit type driving. Day 2 was much better and the Goose Pond jumps gives you Goose-Pond-Bumps just recalling them. The USUK Racing Frankenpreza was just dancing down Jayville and Fullerville. Fun, fun fun.

This was our seventh run at Black River Stages (6th finish). Add BRS to your bucket list people.

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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 24, 2013 11:25AM
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I'm guessing Langbein and Mulvey are also DNF since they are missing the last three stage scores.
Yes.
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Makes it:
24 cars finish, 3 with JVAB Soooper Bitchin Suspenders...ca 12.5%

41% DNF rate... any ideas why?
Mostly mechanical of one sort or another. Only 1 decent crash that I know of.
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Results not in the universally acceptable format?
84% of cars started on something OTHER that JVAB-SBS :-)

Looks like 4 stages dropped for the cars, 2 for bikes.
AFAIK, 1 dropped saturday for bikes, 3 dropped saturday night (last 3) for and cars and 2 dropped saturday night (last 2) for bikes. Reason getting late, raining all day, roads getting torn up and would possibly piss off the local townships. 1 dropped Sunday for cars because of a problem with a local.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 24, 2013 11:41AM
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We are well chuffed with our results and very pleased with the JVAB SB-50s. Haven't taken the car off the trailer, so no post rally inspection yet. But they peformed very well, especially coming down off so many jumps. It's hard to describe the feeling when you've got air and the car comes down and stays down and just goes! No bouncy or recoil. Sweet.

Day 1 was was very wet and the usually firm stages turned to mud-slush in places making for just-keep-it-on-the-road-dammit type driving. Day 2 was much better and the Goose Pond jumps gives you Goose-Pond-Bumps just recalling them. The USUK Racing Frankenpreza was just dancing down Jayville and Fullerville. Fun, fun fun.

This was our seventh run at Black River Stages (6th finish). Add BRS to your bucket list people.

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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 26, 2013 10:19AM
I had an awesome weekend. We finished the race and had a blast doing it. If there was a podium for amount of fun had, we would have been on it. Can’t complain for my first gravel rally. Saturday was real slick and I spent more time sideways than I was trying to but man was it fun. Even passed a few people. Gave one team a tow out of the ditch. The windshield fog sucked. We got lost on virtually every transit somehow but managed to show up on time. Sorry if you were following us. It’s a good thing they cancelled the last couple stages Saturday night because while pulling into our campsite the alternator mount gave it up, broke both lower mounting tabs, and we lost charge. Probably would have caused a dnf otherwise. After fixing it with a stick and some tape we decided to try and head over to service early the next morning to find somebody to weld it.



We ran late but found somebody willing to help us weld it if need be. Because I didn’t think we had the time to fix it, I risked it and ran the stick figuring I’d take it easy over the jumps and if it didn’t hold up we would dnf, go back and get it welded, and then finish whatever was left. I melted the vacuum line off the waste gate on both of the turn around stages. Pretty thankful for the over boost cut. First time I thought it was a fluke but the second time I realized we didn’t have a cool off drive and that’s what was doing it. Drove both those stages pretty much half throttle. The stick held until about 30 seconds into the last stage. My lights were flickering and things were funny but we finished the stage AND managed to make it back to service. I was supper pumped the stick made it just long enough. Because it ran so late we had to pack up and get out of there as soon as possible, next time we are taking the next day off from work as that was a long weekend. I drove pretty conservative. I don’t think the slick conditions favored rwd. There was one section on day 2 where on a straightaway I got into quite the tank slapper…would have been embarrassing to have crashed on the straight. Haha. I look forward to being able to trust the notes. The suspension worked good, thanks John. You need to put up a suspension maintenance thread so people know how to care for their boingers. Thanks to everyone else who helped out and thanks especially to everyone who volunteered!!! We wouldn’t be racing without you!!!!!
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 26, 2013 11:16AM
Hi Mark, sorry to hear about the alternator mount breaking.. When I handed over a sample to William I stressed that he should just copy it as it had been fabbed up on a motor with hoses in place, exhaust manifold and turbo in place and material copied from an old GpA Ford one I had bought expressly to have a sample---albeit for a YB cossie---but the important thing was a THICK 3/16" backing plate and ears and gussets and strenthening tabs made in 1/8".
It was kinda complicated but positioned alternator so it lined up low---away from exhaust manifold---and in line with crank pulley so the belts would do a good wrap around the alternator pulley and a real good more than 90* wrap around the water pump pulley.
And a separate single belt with nearly 180 wrap around the PS pulley..

Of course every single detail was changed.... There are parts chopped up for an improved version of the thing downstairs..3/16" mostly..

As for mostly sideways, I know Sean was doing a lot of that, boilin the tires until just prior to selling his car to the New and Improved Dave Clark..
After some one on one time with Derek Nelson--the guys who justy won Idaho and Nameless rallies---he began to see that it was much quicker leaving the car a gear higher and letting the motor pull than downshifting and screamin it and thrashing around in 2nd..
And calmer too.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 26, 2013 12:08PM
No worries with the mount. I figure it must have flexed itself to death. Just glad the stick held. When I fix it I’m just gonna make the tabs thicker and maybe throw in a gusset or two.

The sideways thing was mostly the rains fault and not my right foot. Haha. It was pretty bad out there. On Saturday night there was one straight, I think I ended up catching and passing a guy through it, I was going down it and sinking in so much that I was like “I don’t know if I’m going to get to the end of this thing….” Hahaha. I figure I’m giving up most of my time not committing for corners. I’m letting off early and not braking hard and I just ease into everything. In other words, I don’t know how to brake. When my co-driver and I gain a little more confidence we should be quicker. And we also need to start going through and getting rid of the stuff in the notes we don’t need because it isn’t helping us. And I need to start calling out obvious landmarks to help him know he is on the notes. Oh there is so much room for improvement…..

And none of this is to take away from the guys in the front, they are fast as hell.
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 27, 2013 07:50AM
Sorry for the late reply on this - came back to work Tuesday to a mountain of BS to deal with...

Want to publicly thank John for making some updates to my rear struts on short notice before BRS - I had bought them from him in 2008 while building my car to be FWD and over time came up with some ideas that I wanted to try. He made it happen and the car was superb. A few more tweaks to my JVAB Bilstein setup and I won't even bat an eye at those pricier options.

Rob and I are very excited about the unexpected win. Considering that it was both the cars and my debut on gravel with AWD I think there is a lot more to come for next year. Very sorry for what happened to the other leading teams - I hope everyone is back for Sandblast next year so we can actually race all the way to finish.
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 27, 2013 12:28PM
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Sorry for the late reply on this - came back to work Tuesday to a mountain of BS to deal with...

Want to publicly thank John for making some updates to my rear struts on short notice before BRS - I had bought them from him in 2008 while building my car to be FWD and over time came up with some ideas that I wanted to try. He made it happen and the car was superb. A few more tweaks to my JVAB Bilstein setup and I won't even bat an eye at those pricier options.

Rob and I are very excited about the unexpected win. Considering that it was both the cars and my debut on gravel with AWD I think there is a lot more to come for next year. Very sorry for what happened to the other leading teams - I hope everyone is back for Sandblast next year so we can actually race all the way to finish.

Thanks Colin, appreciate that--especially in light of all the rampant trolling by a few here..
This idea of some continuing tweaks, that's how we're 'spossed to do things. Start with something basically "pretty damn good" which is my goal and should be the goal for what we all do in all areas, and from pretty damn good, we make little tweaks, little adjustments and make "a little better pretty darn good"
Now the next thing is trying out these damn "tender" springs I got at like 65 lb/in and see if that makes a noticable improvement and no drawbacks..
So to make room or allow easier fitment in the next round of lower spring seats I'm making the things like I do the rear with the raised up thing---longer so that we can try and skip the nylon spacer/locator thing and not have the main spring get dislocated..

Talking with Simon yesterday I told him about the idea I've done on some victim 40 lower seat where I cut a groove to try out a square section O ring---toooooooo tight to easily turn the thing, so i said we're gonna try groove on the ID at the top and we'll blob in silicon seal, then assmble quickly.. The idea is is doesnt bite on the metal but its a barrier to the dirt raining down and into the threads and it will set up with threads in to and theoretically move..

Progress never stops! ONWARD and UPwards--or sideways.

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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 27, 2013 12:53PM
John you have a PM from me.
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 27, 2013 01:33PM
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John you have a PM from me.

Yep saw it but been scambling to track down springs sent to a poor bastid in Canada which i sent to the address in his Paypal and he's moved.....only 15 minutes but time is short. I have to zoom but I'll get back and write you. Yours being an 05 is now problem, Colin changed to 05 knuckles (a smart move, everything is heftier) and the guy in BC above has an 05 so it's only the top mounts that are slightly different...no biggie...

By the way the thing I did like overnight for Colin was to make some cute spherical bearing top mounts for the rear to try and mitigate the bending forces when the rear arcs upward and to some degree arcs forward.. That seems to be a smart idea so I'm thinking maybe we ought to consider that as a standard thing at least in the rear..adds some cost but if it is more reliable its worth it..
Having the top bolted rigidly means the bending forces as the strut makes its arc are going be resolved somewhere: bushes or ears or the top pin..



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September 27, 2013 06:17PM
Great fix with the stick, Mark!
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 27, 2013 08:57PM
Congratulations to Colin and Rob! Colin drove a very clean (except for what looked like a few moments on Fullerville- yes we saw your tracks!!!) event- Jeremy and I had a great time chasing you guys. Our R+P gave up the ghost with 3 stages to go- I wish we could have tried to keep you pushing till the end, but it wasn't to be for us. The 020 trans in the Wimpeymobile had over 40 rallies on it, and towed Josh's donal duck trailer back and forth from VA to CO numerous times as well, so it was...umm...well loved! Colin- well deserved, and a great drive!
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September 27, 2013 10:11PM
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Congratulations to Colin and Rob! Colin drove a very clean (except for what looked like a few moments on Fullerville- yes we saw your tracks!!!) event- Jeremy and I had a great time chasing you guys. Our R+P gave up the ghost with 3 stages to go- I wish we could have tried to keep you pushing till the end, but it wasn't to be for us. The 020 trans in the Wimpeymobile had over 40 rallies on it, and towed Josh's donal duck trailer back and forth from VA to CO numerous times as well, so it was...umm...well loved! Colin- well deserved, and a great drive!


Hey Eric, didya get the word on some nice ring and pinions for 020 I found?
4.64 I think.. that oughtter wake the car up justa tad Thats only 10% shorter but 10% more yank in all gears is 10% more yank.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 28, 2013 02:46PM
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I'm guessing Langbein and Mulvey are also DNF since they are missing the last three stage scores.
Makes it:
24 cars finish, 3 with JVAB Soooper Bitchin Suspenders...ca 12.5%

41% DNF rate... any ideas why?
Results not in the universally acceptable format?
84% of cars started on something OTHER that JVAB-SBS :-)

Looks like 4 stages dropped for the cars, 2 for bikes.

Keith you are a fucking douche bag.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 28, 2013 06:29PM
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Keith you are a fucking douche bag.
I see John edited his first post where he made the original claims I was simply re-stating with correct numbers.
I can see where you might think I was being a bit prickish if you hadn't seen his original post and thought I went to the trouble to dig up the stats, but John actually started it by posting finish rates and percentages that included two cars with times that were clearly not finishing times.
John's pretty quick to point out false claims of other manufacturers - shouldn't be too offended when the same happens to him.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 28, 2013 08:26PM
Our crew and Mulvey's were both DNF's, they lost their motor on the same stage as our tranny failure. Not sure why we're not both listed as such.

John, I'll call you about the R+P- thanks.
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 29, 2013 01:05PM
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I see John edited his first post where he made the original claims I was simply re-stating with correct numbers.
I can see where you might think I was being a bit prickish if you hadn't seen his original post and thought I went to the trouble to dig up the stats, but John actually started it by posting finish rates and percentages that included two cars with times that were clearly not finishing times.
John's pretty quick to point out false claims of other manufacturers - shouldn't be too offended when the same happens to him.

You are your harem of handicapped freinds jumping John's shit at every point in time around here is getting very old and very pointless.

I'm not going to make excuses for John, he is exactly who he is, and he goes out of his way to help small/no budget teams compete.

Especially in this instance you are a fucking douche bag. You are instigating and being a prick for no other reason than to be a douche bag.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 29, 2013 02:41PM
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You are your harem of handicapped freinds jumping John's shit at every point in time around here is getting very old and very pointless.

I'm not going to make excuses for John, he is exactly who he is, and he goes out of his way to help small/no budget teams compete.

Especially in this instance you are a fucking douche bag. You are instigating and being a prick for no other reason than to be a douche bag.


I thought the same thing when I saw Keith's post-especially the part about 84% of competitors not running JVAB's.

So Keith-what are you-10 years old?

Super childish,immature comment.

Grow up.

Really makes me think twice about anything you have to say here on Anarchy or SS.

In the past I thought John treated you harshly in many of the posts that went to hell-but now I see you are just baiting him.

I know John's not exactly an angel-but kudos to him for ignoring you here.
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
September 29, 2013 03:02PM
I'm sorry you think that way.

I'm also sorry if you see me as some sort of 'ring leader,' 'cause I'm not. This isn't any sort of coordinated effort and I'd suggest it is just more 'get what you give' than anything else. If you're not going to make excuses for John then don't take exception to the treatment he earns.

In this case I'm sorry if people didn't take note of the smiley face behind the 84% stat and see it was intended as slightly humerous.



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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
October 06, 2013 12:22AM
Wow, that's a LOT of entries. I have never seen this many entrees for any event in California rally series. Is it usually this booked?

Klim
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Re: Congrats to Black River Stages crews
October 06, 2013 10:32AM
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mulik52
Wow, that's a LOT of entries. I have never seen this many entrees for any event in California rally series. Is it usually this booked?

Klim

Yes. Probably run between 30 and 40 average for ARC events. Look at Northeast demographics and you will see a higher population density than anywhere else in the US.



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