Rally with a TSD

I played with it for a minute. Ended up with one point and couldn't get it to delete, got annoyed and quit. Story of my life...

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Grant Hughes

i have been asking about a brisk tsd series that could be a stand alone or run with a stage rally
folks with older cars that don't want to update them or with roadracers could run for a lower fee and less cost in preparation

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I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow!
first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it!

Part of the NEPRO series back in the 80s was a separate (different time of the year) TSD on the forest roads around Wellsboro (STPR). The problem with that was the speed limit was max 25 mph. One event had us close off a section of Straight Run Road and run it like a stage, not cool if they would have been caught doing it. I believe the charity rally they now run the Friday before STPR uses mostly county roads so the 25 mph may not be a factor?

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Don Kennedy

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Part of the NEPRO series back in the 80s was a separate (different time of the year) TSD on the forest roads around Wellsboro (STPR). The problem with that was the speed limit was max 25 mph. One event had us close off a section of Straight Run Road and run it like a stage, not cool if they would have been caught doing it. I believe the charity rally they now run the Friday before STPR uses mostly county roads so the 25 mph may not be a factor?

Yeah that's the problem, no sane person is going to want to drive down a road out in the sticks at 25 mph. Or 10% under posted...
May as well go to an auto-cross and flagellate yourself between the gruelling 90 second runs.

The beauty of the old Wild West thing was closed roads for 25 minutes after last stage car--and "challenging" Target times.

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John Vanlandingham
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Yeah that's the problem, no sane person is going to want to drive down a road out in the sticks at ... 10% under posted

TSDs are a different animal from stage rally but are good exercises in building teamwork in the car as well as teaching discipline in driving. If you think keeping 10% below 'posted' is neither interesting nor challenging, you should get out to more events.

Now, I'm not at all suggesting they are any where near as challenging as stage events - but I wouldn't call them 'easy' either.

Running a TSD with higher than posted averages, without requiring safety equipment is a liability mine field.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

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john vanlandingham
Yeah that's the problem, no sane person is going to want to drive down a road out in the sticks at ... 10% under posted

TSDs are a different animal from stage rally but are good exercises in building teamwork in the car as well as teaching discipline in driving.

If you think keeping 10% below 'posted' is neither interesting nor challenging, you should get out to more events.

Now, I'm not at all suggesting they are any where near as challenging as stage events - but I wouldn't call them 'easy' either.

Running a TSD with higher than posted averages, without requiring safety equipment is a liability mine field.

I TRY hard to not respond so lets just try once again why: everything depends on what you are used to...for example I consider stage rally easy and relaxing and just easy fun.. compared to other stuff I did prior to arriving at SS1
One morsel of commonly understood info, one silly comment.


The subject is "How did it occur" and "How can it be done again ---in a similar manner".

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My point was that saying 'no sane person' would want to run around at 10% under the limit is actually really insulting to the organisers and particpants of the TSDs that are being run regularly.

Thunderbird, as an example, had 45 starters and only a half day's drive from your front door. From what I heard, proper winter conditions and challenging average speeds. But, of course, I hear that from a multiple time CRC 2wd champion - but since he entered and enjoyed the event he can't be trusted as he clearly isn't sane.

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Last Updated, January 4, 2015

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

I think the trick to average speed is having a route with stop lights and lots of stop signs.
I had fun on the one TSD I did, most of time average speed was 25-30. I think I only had like 150 or so points by the end of the day. I lost to Josh Wimpey who had like 210 or so if I recall. Yes, our goal was maximum penalty without pissing off the safety steward too much. (Tom Nelson)

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Grant Hughes

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My point was that saying 'no sane person' would want to run around at 10% under the limit is actually really insulting to the organisers and particpants of the TSDs that are being run regularly.

Booo hoooo.. Last thing I did was T-bird with frozen, but virtually snow free roads...
I went thru a LOT of over-priced canadian ciggies in a near unsucessful effort to stay awake...

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blah blah blah blah blah

I don't need the obvious explained and nobody needs you to uphold their honor.

The subject IS: "How did it occur" and "How can it be done again ---in a similar manner".

Not a lot of platitudes and blabbering.
Were you at the 1984 Wild West?

I didn't think so.

Is puttering along a clean gravel road at 50 or 60 km/hr challenging in even anything?

Depends on what you are used to...

Try and contribute to THIS discussion.

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i hear what you're saying

the use of observation controls on stage or leg as the case maybe
stage/leg crews that do double duty, that is nearly the same thing
starts are start and finish is finish only the average speed is different

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I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow!
first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it!

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i hear what you're saying

the use of observation controls on stage or leg as the case maybe
stage/leg crews that do double duty, that is nearly the same thing
starts are start and finish is finish only the average speed is different

Yep, the difference is all in calculating the scores.....

Controls all the same place, start the same--(actually people can self start if the want to risk coming early to a check maybe hidden round the first bend)
Finish in same place, one can use same time cards, just that SSs are supposed to have a target time to finish, transits supposed to transit.

Minimal bother, just a gap of xx minutes from last Stage car then 1 minute longer in the woods per entry.

Small price if it results in newbs flocking in to the sport---since we lose so many to bankruptcy and mental health issues and incarceration.

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i agree

lower cost and a great place for folks with older rally cars or a road racer to be part of the rally

use the transit sections between ss as a free zone or as a leg

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I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow!
first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it!

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tdrrally
i agree

lower cost and a great place for folks with older rally cars or a road racer to be part of the rally

use the transit sections between ss as a free zone or as a leg

Exactly, an excellent way to dip the toe in and test the waters....

And done right its clear that many would catch the disease, but they need a taste, not idling along at 30 chain smokin ciggies..

The one problem is the obvious one: its more stuff on the plate of the Organsiers who are already streched.....
I think of as an investment though.. We do this now, and the payoff comes later in the form of more teams showing up...more entries means more total dollars to cover the costs..

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John Vanlandingham
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and like the moto guy bring more workers

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I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow!
first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it!

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tdrrally
and like the moto guy bring more workers

See? That's the way to think!

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John Vanlandingham
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