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Re: Olympus 2014
June 19, 2014 12:08PM
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Stop attacking the person... Of the things that drag this forum to its knees, this has to be the worst.

When you begin scolding the little fuck-wad Vokes and scold Gene for personal attacks your admonishments might begin to seem a little more credible...after a few years.

And speaking of things that drags this forum, rally in North America, life, politics, everything is people not looking and thinking any further than their own little tiny not-even-small-duck-pond, more like a big mud puddle. and thinking because they have splashed around in their little mud puddle a little that they are hot shit...



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 19, 2014 04:48PM
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*snip*

Just a note, you attacked first. Beyond that, you also made claims that appear false with the data Keith provided, or at best they were misleading.

But I don't really expect you to do anything besides bluster and sputter. It's what you do.

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Further the task of driving a car on gravel is essentially the same task as other sports on similar or same surfaces and if you think otherwise its only because you really have only the most superficial knowledge of driving

Says who? You? Sorry, but as your results have shown, you basically survived better than the other half of the field. Congrats, you can have a participation medal. If you want to instruct on how to stay on the rode and finish, you are MORE than capable.

^^^This isn't a verbal attack. I didn't call you a "faggot" or a "fuckwad" or "Asswipe" or "moronic pussy" or etc etc. What I did was call you out on your blatant bullshit, which is apparently too much for you to handle.

All the lying and misdirection, doesn't it get old after a while?
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Re: Olympus 2014
June 19, 2014 08:46PM
Mr Pick and choose and always cast intentionally in the worst possible way Morison.
You go to that site and make a point to say 9th of 18 finishers.
You write it like that not acciendentally but to tell a half truth.
That's becaue you have a compulsion to try and appear "proper".
You could have copied and pasted the results like this:
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Maine Forest Summer Rally
Round 8 SCCA/Michelin PRO Rally Championship
Rumford Maine
July 28-30, 1995

Final Results


Starters: 30
Finishers: 18
Chairman: John Buffum
Press Notes by Andy Schupack

Fin. Car Class Pos/
Pos. Num. Driver/Home Town Navigator/Home Town Vehicle/Tires Finish Time
1 3 Carl Merrill John Bellefleur Ford Escort Cosworth Open 1
Ogunquit, ME Thornhill, ONT Michelin 1:57:41

2 12 Bruno Kreibich Rod Hendricksen Audi Quattro Open 2
Ridgewood, NY Clinton, NJ Michelin 2:02:12

3 33 Tom Ottey Pam McGarvey Mazda 323GTX Open 3
Columbus, OH Columbus, OH Bridgestone 2:03:18

4 17 Cal Landau Eric Marcus Mitsubishi Eclipse PGT 1
Coraopolis, PA Dayton, OH Michelin 2:09:15

5 96 Bruce Newey Kennon Rymer Toyota All-trac Group A 1
Atlanta, GA Knoxville, TN Michelin 2:10:41

6 20 Jon Kemp Brian Maxwell Audi 4000 Quattro Open 4
Attica, NY Port Hope, ONT Michelin 2:11:07

7 9 Vinnie Frontinan Frank Cunningham Toyota Corolla Prod 1
Somerville, MA Boston, MA Michelin 2:11:44

8 22* Rick Davis Ben Greisler BMW M-3 Group A 2
West Chester, PA Philadelphia, PA Michelin 2:13:49

9 37 John Vanlandingham Debbie Sweet Saab 96 Group 2 1
Cambridge, MA Oak Ridge, NJ Michelin 2:16:21

10 24 Janice Damitio Amity Trowbridge Toyota All-trac PGT 2
Montesano, WA Seattle, WA Michelin 2:17:35

11 31 Gerald Sweet Stuart Spark Saab 99EMS Group 2 2
Oak Ridge, NJ Woodcliff Lake, NJ Colway 2:17:57

12 39 Carl Redner Nancy Redner Mazda RX-7 Open 5
Walled Lake, MI Walled Lake, MI Michelin 2:18:10

13 26 Jim Anderson Martin Dapot Honda Prelude VTEC Prod 2
Mebane, NC Reston, VA Michelin 2:18:48

14 34* Dean Fry Donald Kennedy Subaru Legacy Open 6
Mohnton, PA Shillington, PA Colway 2:24:35

15 23 Greg Trepetin Sonia Trepetin Honda Prelude VTEC Prod 3
N. Potomac, MD N. Potomac, MD Michelin 2:24:40

16 35 Jeff Bothee Tom Beltman Mitsubishi Celeste Open 7
Grand Rapids, MI Walker, MI Bridgestone 2:28:33

17 41 Peter Watt Dick Casey Suzuki Swift Prod 4
Peterborough, ONT Fairfax Station, VA Bridgestone 2:31:12

18 36 Keith Kreisler Greg Usavage Mazda 323GTX Open 8
West Chester, PA Perkiomenville, PA Michelin 2:47:10

DNF 4 Henry Joy IV Christopher Griffin Mitsubishi Lancer E-2 Open
Atlanta, MI Burbank, CA Michelin

DNF 38 Dave Konetski Glenn Koehler Toyota Celica Group 2
Andover, MN Rush City, MN

DNF 1 Paul Choiniere Jeff Becker Hyundai Elantra Open
Shelburne, VT Great Neck, NY Michelin

DNF 8 Frank Sprongl Barry Latreille Eagle Talon Open
Mississauga, ONT Williamstown, ONT Michelin

DNF 6 Peter Moodie Michael Fennell Mazda 323GTR Open
Kingston, Jamaica Kingston, Jamaica Michelin

DNF 10 Sam Bryan Robinson Walden Saab 900 Group 2
Kent, WA Seattle, WA Michelin

DNF 15 Pat Ayer Ray Cadieux Audi Quattro Open
Burlington, VT St. Lazare, QUE Michelin

DNF 18 Bob Elliott John Hart VW GTI Prod
Rutland, VT Rutland, VT Bridgestone

DNF 25 Jon Pizzagalli Lance Smith VW GTI Group 2
Shelburne, VT Colchester, VT Michelin

DNF 40 Kurt Thiel George Anderson VW GTI Group 2
Rochester, NY Rochester, NY Michelin

DNF 21 Carl Fisher Ted Mendham Dodge Omni Open
Greenville, NH Lyndeborough, NH Michelin

DNF 28* Lesley Suddard Anne Thomas Dodge Charger Open
Wilmington, DE Nashua, NH Michelin

Maine Results
Results 95 Index
RRN Index

That would show 9th of 30 starters..
That would be in the top one third and prove that your spiritual bromance boy Vokes is a liar

But then you would have to scold him for personal attacks..

You have been around rally long enough to figure out that it's not MY problem that those other 12 people could not drive well enough or prepare their cars well enough or think on their feet well enough in service to fix whatever they damaged thru their blunders in driving, or prep...

Futher illustration of your moral bankruptcy is in oder to attack me personally you unthinkingly insult all the entrants and finishers---and let you little brother write bilge about "it was more about just surviving than speed" without comment..so for you his personal insults and lies are perfectly OK...

6 of the cars in front of me were nice newish turbo 4wd cars, all of the driver in front and a number immediately behind had done every event that season and the season before---and I had not been on gravel for over 2 years...presumably they were not nearly as rusty as I was..
The reigning National Champion in her Toyota Celica All-trac was like wise not very rusty.
She was flat outdriven....and would be again 3 months later in Michigan

Any honest person, anybody with a sliver of morals looking at the enormous difference in equipment ...a little 1730cc pushrod motor beating ANY modern current turbo AWD car----would probably not be looking for excuses to defame the driving and prep and service skills of anybody who can/could do that..


As for the 3rd OA on Mandan Rd stage at Lake Superior, no it wasn't the stage that Henry Bourne Joy III had troubles on. The stage was run "Up and then back"..... His car was firt to fight for that stage, it wa sthe other running of it where his junk was falling apart.

Further one is hard put to shed very many tears for his rear diff problems in his oh so expensive EVO, The stage winner Sam Bryan and Rob Walden, and myself who bracketed him
had no problems with rear differentials falling off because we were good enough and smart enough to choose cars that were not full of drivers' crutches like turbos and awd that he couldn't keep functioning, despite having a full time mechanic on retainer...it can't get loose---and be an lame, whiny pouting excuse, if there isn't one on the car..
And he did whine and wail and gnash his teeth about his self-made problems.

2wd was enough.

Again, only a bitter, shady, slime ball would be looking for ways to tear down even these modest accomplishments that you and you succubus friend are not now and will never be competent enough to do..


You have sunk to a new low.
And you should not be lecturing anybody on behavior.



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 19, 2014 11:12PM
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Mr Pick and choose and always cast intentionally in the worst possible way Morison....
That would show 9th of 30 starters..
Sorry about that. Not intentional at all, was just quickly grabbing what I considered to be relevant information. I've added the number of starters and the winner's time to the previous post.
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That would be in the top one third and prove that your spiritual bromance boy Vokes is a liar
See, there you go again, attacking the person instead of discussing the issue.
Perhaps the biggest problem is defining how you rank your 'place in the field.' I'd suggest it isn't finishing position but is starting position or seeding points earned... but without defining that, it's hard to say Adam, or you, are lying.

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Futher illustration of your moral bankruptcy is in oder to attack me personally you unthinkingly insult all the entrants and finishers---and let you little brother write bilge about "it was more about just surviving than speed" without comment..so for you his personal insults and lies are perfectly OK...
But doesn't everyone say that the rallies to day are sprints on fast, wide roads compared to long, technical events where survival wasn't easy? I don't think for a second that Adam was suggesting the anyone was slow and I don't think there was an insult to be had in what he said.

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Any honest person, anybody with a sliver of morals looking at the enormous difference in equipment ...a little 1730cc pushrod motor beating ANY modern current turbo AWD car----would probably not be looking for excuses to defame the driving and prep and service skills of anybody who can/could do that..
But the results of a single event really don't tell the full story.


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As for the 3rd OA on Mandan Rd stage at Lake Superior, no it wasn't the stage that Henry Bourne Joy III had troubles on. The stage was run "Up and then back"..... His car was firt to fight for that stage, it wa sthe other running of it where his junk was falling apart.
Yah... I was actually just trying to be funny with that one... :-)



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 01:14AM
For grins and giggles....check all that apply...no names provided or fingers pointed btw.

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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 07:09AM
John:

I see that one of those pesky BMWs bested you in Maine '95.

Your friend,

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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 07:27AM
John got whooped by a BMW? Now this is getting good!



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 11:04AM
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*snip

Haha, of course, as usual, you cherry pick one instance of something and defend that as if it proves anything.

Good lord John eye rolling smiley
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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 11:44AM
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John:

I see that one of those pesky BMWs bested you in Maine '95.

Your friend,

Wilson

Yeah an expensive BMW that the guy---nice enough guy mind you...who had a pile of new tires and who had done every event on the calebnder that year and the previous and same co-driver for years and who had been to Maine maybe every single time it was run


yep got me fair and square...I'm sure 2 years not touching gravel, or new co-driver, or the tires used we bought second hand 3 years before and had 2 Washington events on them, and the loss of odo, and the loss of rear brakes from a nasty rock on one stage---and the following 2 stages having wonky rear from rushed blles and above all every 3rd to 2nd downshift being baulky after SS3 from a trans mount problem--engine is N/S and it rocks and when it rocks you cannot downshift 3 to 2 till it settles---a real pisser..

and in violation of the sore-losers No1 rule--- I had never been to Maine so this was First time to Maine and First US National---entered on because the bullshit of all the Eastern US and Canajian organsisers of cutting short the Regional event by 30-35 SS miles..
I mean all the lame ass whiners always say "They had local knowledge! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! The been there 10 times, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"


I'm sure none of those things had any bearing on the results... even if other people were saying all the just mechanicals "certainly" cost 6-7 minutes...

Now I said the guy was a nice guy.. I mean it, the next time we met, about 6 months later, and I wasn't as rusty----have Lake Superior in between--
-he was very polite and pulled right over when I caught him in less than 6 miles



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 12:09PM
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I mean it, the next time we met, about 6 months later, and I wasn't as rusty----have Lake Superior in between--
-he was very polite and pulled right over when I caught him in less than 6 miles
Which event was that?
Don't forget to mention he beat you again at Maine 1996 with about the same margin as in 95.



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 12:33PM
With all due respect....Who cares! That was twenty years ago.

Can the reunion episode of the Real Housewives of Rally Anarchy be over or at least go to a commercial break?

I'd rather read discussion on driver improvement instead hearing about the virile you old farts were prior to your sperm count dropping.
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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 06:43PM
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With all due respect....Who cares! That was twenty years ago.

Can the reunion episode of the Real Housewives of Rally Anarchy be over or at least go to a commercial break?

I'd rather read discussion on driver improvement instead hearing about the virile you old farts were prior to your sperm count dropping.

Evidently it is vital for Gene and Morison and his little suck-buddy to prove that I am a liar and was always slow---notice that there wasn't a word at all from the Three Amigos about the overall placeings of 7th OA in First Canadian National----maybe 7th ot 8th or 9th event I had done, or the overall in first US National in Maine summer or 7th OA after 13 minute co-driver fuck ups at MTCs..

Nope it is vital to prove that I know nothing,..

As for advice to Chris or any noob---say under 5 years of mimum 3-4 events a year---I did generously and for no charge post this:
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There's an old rule in motorcycles that says "power on for balance, off for grip".
Look at the elements in that: power.
Sounds kinda simplistic but power pushes/pulls the car ------> this way. cornering makes a push/force to send the car this way ^ or that V way..
If the power is not enough to drive the car this way-----> then its gonna go V way or ^ way---and there's ditches and berms and then TREES this ^ way and that way V so we want to keep on keeping on this way ------->.
That takes power ON...

Now a pokey little ZZZzzzzzeeetec makes almost no power and less torque so the only way to make power is the a) scream the motor and b) gear it down to multiply the feeble torque...

I've stressed till I'm blue in the face: do one thing well... If you're gonna shot SHOOT!

So if its straight zing the everloving fuck outta the motor. Full throttle, lots of revs..HARD.
Not duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh (crunch) duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh but more WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (crunch) WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

If you're going to brake, BRAKE-----mainly to slow down but also to shift weight forward ontop the front wheels. BRAKE HARD---just short of locking the fronts---screw the rears if the lock so what

WHILE the weight is forward---and the tires are pressed hard into the surface, now they have the most grip they'll ever have, NOW initiate with some vigor.. That shifts the forward weight to the OUTSIDE front wheel...then it'll have the best chance of biting it'll ever have

To brake well (again from motorcycles this is obvious) its BEST to brake in a straight line.....braking hard in a straight line shift the most weight forward--and the most weight OFF the rear---so its then easy to twitch the steering that a way to get the rear WANTING TO go that way---and that adds a dynamic effect to keep weight on outside front... and as long as weight is on outside front, it'll bite, you go around the corner..

So any give staright into a turn can be done like a waltz One-two-three: Gas-brake-turn, gas (next straight) brake -turn

It makes for a more angular path, squaring turns, extending straights....but its safer..

Takes a lot more practice than you will get in a VERY EXPENSIVE few hour session..

And Chris, you don't have the dough...so don't think of delaying or fixate on paid instruction.
Practice.

And get the LSD and gear set from the place that does the half sets...


The fact that there was ZERO discussion of this and The Three Amigos Gene, Morison and the little snotty punk DNF Meister waste everybody's time with not even veiled attacks of a personal nature---calling somebody a liar is, regardless of Morisons stupid "Rules of Logic for Nerds"--a very personal attack----shows their intent....

IF they were not interested in just trying to spread shit around, then there would have been some discussion, poor Kobiyashi would have commented and IF the guys working at Dirtfish gave a flying fuck about anybody else and the local scene then THEY would be here helping noobs like Kobiyashi, and Morison and Vokes and a lot of other people.....

The irony of the "You think everybody must do it YOUR way" is almost verging on hilarious since the reason for any distention is solely because I might advocate doing something other than their way...
Except its not funny when you are constantly slandered and defamed---and the suggestions are never addressed..."WE do it this way" being the only real message.
Ever.



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 07:13PM
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Evidently it is vital for Gene and Morison and his little suck-buddy to prove that I am a liar and was always slow...
Nope, not important at all actually. I'm reasonably certain I've asked you to show actual results in the past, but don't recall seeing any. I got curious about what results were out there. (You'll note that I also said I was sure there must be better results out there somewhere...)

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notice that there wasn't a word at all from the Three Amigos about the overall placeings of 7th OA in First Canadian National
Couldn't find those results anywhere, RRN only goes back to 95 it seems. (95 Rocky showed 8 starters, 7 finishers)


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Nope it is vital to prove that I know nothing,..
Once again, no... it isn't.

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As for advice to Chris or any noob---say under 5 years of mimum 3-4 events a year---I did generously and for no charge post this... [and] The fact that there was ZERO discussion of this...
What's to discuss?
I think it was bang on the money and a good overview of what Chris needs to change, as a starting point. It's basically what a bunch of us said.

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...and The Three Amigos Gene, Morison and the little snotty punk DNF Meister waste everybody's time with not even veiled attacks of a personal nature---calling somebody a liar is, regardless of Morisons stupid "Rules of Logic for Nerds"--a very personal attack----shows their intent....

Calling you a good fabricator isn't the same as calling you a liar. smileys with beer



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 07:23PM
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As for advice to Chris or any noob---say under 5 years of mimum 3-4 events a year---I did generously and for no charge post this... [and] The fact that there was ZERO discussion of this...
What's to discuss?
I think it was bang on the money and a good overview of what Chris needs to change, as a starting point. It's basically what a bunch of us said.

Well if that's the case--- why, since that's more or less exactly what all you boys are so insistent that Chris go pay a thousand dollars to hear---

and why all this efforts to prove I was last place Charlie as your little shadow began and you went along with?

And why no lecturing you buddies about their slander?



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Re: Olympus 2014
June 20, 2014 07:53PM
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Well if that's the case--- why, since that's more or less exactly what all you boys are so insistent that Chris go pay a thousand dollars to hear---
See, that's where you've got it wrong.
The purpose of going to a school is to see, be seen, be corrected as needed, and to do enough so you understand what you need to work on, and how to work on it. Many of us think Chris can learn more, faster, and ultimately cheaper by going to a school. You don't, and that's fine...

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and why all this efforts to prove I was last place Charlie as your little shadow began and you went along with?
It was more a reaction to the disappointment I felt. I went digging back to have a look at the results and couldn't find anything that matched your stories. I'm sure the results are out there somewhere, but not online apparently.

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And why no lecturing you buddies about their slander?
Probably because I'm not really seeing any. The borderline stuff is almost exclusively in response to fairly strong personal attacks by you... which sorta mitigates how one would take what they are saying.



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