johnhuebbe John Huebbe Mod Moderator Location: St. Peters, MO Join Date: 08/31/2012 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 283 Rally Car: 1970 VW Beetle & 1991 Subaru Legacy |
Thought I'd start a new thread.
For IFR: Like all aircraft, an amateur-built experimental aircraft must be properly equipped before it can be operated under IFR rules [91.205]. This is confirmed in FAA Order 8130.2D Chg 1, paragraph 134, which states that: "(7) [During "Phase 1" Flight Test Period] the aircraft is to be operated under Visual Flight Rules (VFR), day only. (8) After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with § 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only. ...(28) The pilot in command of this aircraft shall notify air traffic control of the experimental nature of this aircraft when operating into or out of airports with an operational control tower. When filing IFR, the experimental nature of this aircraft shall be listed in the remarks section of the flight plan." So, essentially, yes you can build an experimental aircraft for IFR operation. There are people who do it all the time. And NONE of the instruments need to be TSO'd. More reading: http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/Equipping%20a%20Homebuilt%20for%20IFR%20operations.html |
derek Derek Bottles Senior Moderator Location: Lopez Island/ Seattle WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 853 Rally Car: Past: 323, RX2, GTI. Next up M3 ? |
Yes you can fly non TSO'ed Experimentals IFR.
With the 2020 ADS-B Out requirement I think we are all going to upgrade our panels a bit. Experimentals will do it for +/- $2000, guys like me in C185's are going to spend around $15,000 to do basically the same thing... what is the point of TSO again? In the long run reality always wins. |
johnhuebbe John Huebbe Mod Moderator Location: St. Peters, MO Join Date: 08/31/2012 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 283 Rally Car: 1970 VW Beetle & 1991 Subaru Legacy |
Good question. I know some people who have RV's where their panel cost more than my entire airplane! |
derek Derek Bottles Senior Moderator Location: Lopez Island/ Seattle WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 853 Rally Car: Past: 323, RX2, GTI. Next up M3 ? |
Some people like to push buttons or look at screens. I rather fly the plane and look outside. As a float plane, most of that panel crap is unnecessary. I do fly under class B so I do need a transponder and a radio is nice but the rest of it...
In the long run reality always wins. |
b00sted David Barrett Elite Moderator Location: Chicago, IL Join Date: 10/21/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 216 |
I used to fly a little shitbox 172 out of Midway Airport in Chicago. That was always something that worried me, espeically with a single engine piston aircraft...If the engine stalls on take off or landing, there's absolutely nowhere to go...Except maybe 63rd street that runs east-west on the south border of the airport...But that's packed with traffic 24 hours a day and rittled with power lines, poles, etc.
I can't imagine a commercial jet having to make a quick emergency landing right after takeoff. |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Senior Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
Well, it's not THAT much. A Freeflight 1201 is $3000 (GPS/WAAS sensor) A Trig TT31 is $2800 (transponder replacement, does ADS-B out) Plus installation, of course. Or you can get a Garmin 430W (used) for about $7K and plug it into the Trig. Bleah. Note: I fully appreciate flying experimentals, but I'm not sure what the argument here is. Are you saying I should sell the Six and build something myself on the basis that the avionics are cheaper? Self-righteous douche canoe |
markhuebbe Mark Huebbe Ultra Moderator Location: St. Louis, MO Join Date: 01/29/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 41 Rally Car: 1970 VW Beetle (Historic) |
I'd say the argument is about education, customization, and experimentation. If most of your flying is long haul, 4+ passenger, I guess your PA-32 fits the bill. However, for the cost of a nice used PA-32-260 or 300 ($80k-120k), I could build a kick ass RV 9/10/14/whatever. For me at least (with my super cheap Sonex), it's also about cost control. I don't need to pay for an expensive annual, fuel burn is crazy low, share hangar space... http://www.huebberally.com |