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Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)

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Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 11:28AM
I randomly came across a world rally blue WRX for sale on the local racers facecrack page with the following description:






Appeared relatively rust free. I was in quite a big rush to get it, as the chassis alone is worth about $3k around here. So I did last night at 730pm as the first snow of the season rolled in!



Currently need to decide whether I want to fix and sell it, or build it into a rallycar and sell my current open class car. I think I could build a car that suited my needs for cheaper than the current rallycar, have it built the way I want, and be about as fast.

Current ideas involve either a junkyard ej205 with a vf34/vf48 and a 5 speed close ratio dccd, or a full version 8 sti ej207 with twin scroll vf36 and accompanying 6 speed dccd swap just like the current car. Or I could just run a completely stock wrx drivetrain with a 20kg centre viscous diff. If nothing else, TD04's are cheap and they sure make boost quicker than the larger turbos.

The version 8 swap is about $6.5k with everything. The junkyard swapping is about $3k. The bone stock wrx drivetrain is $1400 with extra parts I could sell off. All of them I'd probably run race fuel on for shits and giggles. grinning smiley We'll see how the next little while goes. I'd like to do BigWhite in the black open class car and then maybe sell it after that...
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 01:27PM
i'm guessing money isn't a big object holding back your build (color me jealous)

What's the gearing / Final drive going to be like on the 6-speed ?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1689781

http://www.car-videos.net/tools/speedrpm.asp

and what are your Plans for a DCCD Controller?

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I'd be leaning towards going with the 5 speed by a lot. the 6 speed is heavier and has more rotating mass. Its going to zap more hp / tq from the motor before it makes it to the wheels.

I'd really avoid a 6 speed unless you are finding one with a big final drive and close ratio all the way up to 6th .. if its geared and final drive(ed?) correctly you will be using 5th and 6th a fair amount
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 02:58PM
I was going to go up the night before and snatch it away on ya, but decided otherwise. You need it more than me. Keep it for spare parts in case you smoosh the black one.



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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 03:07PM
How much for the black car... (full circle :-) )



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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 04:13PM
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How much for the black car... (full circle :-) )

$23k, one set (5) oz rally rims with 75% plus gravels, no seats. Needs nothing besides the seats, car is ready to rock.
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 04:17PM
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I was going to go up the night before and snatch it away on ya, but decided otherwise. You need it more than me. Keep it for spare parts in case you smoosh the black one.

Yes, you have enough non-running rally cars as it is spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

The thought has crossed my mind of keeping it for a spare shell, but realistically, if I wrote off the black one completely, I'd be out for at least a year (not that my record is currently much better haha). I figure I can get this one built into a decent car for $15k, so we shall see!
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 06:28PM
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I figure I can get this one built into a decent car for $15k, so we shall see!

Haven't you always been a buy not build proponent?
If you figure on $15k then in reality it will be at least $20k. smiling smiley



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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 06:39PM
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I figure I can get this one built into a decent car for $15k, so we shall see!

Haven't you always been a buy not build proponent?
If you figure on $15k then in reality it will be at least $20k. smiling smiley

Lies and Slander! I am only 2k (projected) over budget. Although I guess the ratio is still true...

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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 06:50PM
building is for builders

racing is for racers winking smiley
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October 27, 2014 08:45PM
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 08:57PM
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building is for builders

racing is for racers winking smiley

You are probably unaware that that cliche phrase--repeated endlessly---is a good deal of why there's only 310-320 maybe kinda "active' participants nation wide.

All the countries with fractions of our populations that have multiple more participants, and leaps and bounds BETTER driving--most of then build their own cars MOST..probably more than 85%-88%.

Keep on with the Party Line, you're batting 1000 lately.



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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 09:27PM
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and what are your Plans for a DCCD Controller?

I'd be leaning towards going with the 5 speed by a lot. the 6 speed is heavier and has more rotating mass. Its going to zap more hp / tq from the motor before it makes it to the wheels.

I'd really avoid a 6 speed unless you are finding one with a big final drive and close ratio all the way up to 6th .. if its geared and final drive(ed?) correctly you will be using 5th and 6th a fair amount

Neetronics. My little brain understands it and I find it works well!

The 6 speed is also bulletproof. The 5 speeds not so much. One broken dccd 5 speed tranny puts me at the same cost as a single 6 speed dccd if I have to buy a 2nd dccd 5 speed. The gearing of either is acceptable in a turbocharged application... really, its a cost thing moreso than anything else. The 5 speed would possibly have less shifting, I find a lot of useless shifting in the STi with the 6 speed happens.

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Haven't you always been a buy not build proponent?
If you figure on $15k then in reality it will be at least $20k. smiling smiley

I'm a realist proponent. I have a girlfriend and lead a relatively unencumbered life with a 38 hour work week. Most people don't have that. If I can barely rally a couple times a year due to time/money, I find it hard to believe a father can get time to build a rallycar (properly, its easy enough to slap a cage, suspension, and skid plates on a car).

I'd like to try my hand at building a car the way I want, no corners cut. Strip it down completely and build it back up. I've taken apart every subsystem on a Subaru now, so I am farily confident in taking the whole thing apart. I have time (working way less overtime nowadays) and money is finally going fairly well. The current car is great, I do love it... but I think it may be too expensive for my blood.

The current car (if I build it) is free in my mind after selling some parts. $3500 for cage/seats mounts/door sill jacking points. $700 for an ej205. Already have seats. Suspension? $2500 maybe? I have tires and rims. Skid plates another $500? Intercom/rally odo $500?

I guess what I am saying is I can easily get it on stage, properly built for under $10k. Thats no ej207 6 speed dccd car, but do I really need that? Who answers that question? I want to rally, and currently can't (much). I don't think I'll lose much speed stepping down spec-wise, maybe even run 91 octane.

On top of all of this, we can't import rallycars into Alberta anymore, so there is a SERIOUS lack of rallycars available here, and if they are for sale, they are very high priced. If we could still import from the US, I'd import a car in a second and say screw building!
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 27, 2014 11:18PM
adam theres some one flogging their hotbits on ss right now. building really helps with the whole fixing and unfixing aspect. now if i could find someone to build me a cage in a reasonable timeframe. fword! am cliffhanging on bending it myself, for 3500 i could probably f up a few cages and get it right *disclaimer* i will not do the welding . push come to shove i push and shove then nothing happens, i'm goin ghandi this go round. fuckin fuckers, lastly your lucky i got no space to park mo junk at my crib or that would be my bitch. my one project at a time moto is gettin stuck to. thanks for the photos....



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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 28, 2014 03:06PM
If you're going to go through the effort to practically build the same/ similar car why not give something else a go. As in a different class.

hehehehe...http://www.ppgearbox.com.au/page.asp?productid=72

I do believe that they make them for 6 speeds as well!
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Re: Build a rallycar they said, it will be easy they said... (2002 WRX inside)
October 28, 2014 03:12PM
A cheap clean bugeye like that is screaming for one thing...Production4WD.

USDM 6 Speed - No brainer
Motor - Whatever complete, low km motor you can put your hands on.



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