Construction Zone
Don\
Welcome! Log In Register

Advanced

floor mounting seats, need ideas

Posted by Snidewhips 
Snidewhips
Jermama
Mod Moderator
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canuckistan
Join Date: 05/23/2013
Posts: 264

Rally Car:
1990 acura integra


floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 02:27AM
hey guys just finished my floor pans to keep my seat low enough i don't die when my swoopy knuckles spontaneously combust. need some idea's on how to weld completely to the floor the perimeter of the fabbed floor pans, the fit is good on tunnel side and sill side but the droop of the floor plus stamped pleats make it difficult to ties it down as a single entity while keeping a level pan (i could heat it and force it but mounting a seat to a bowed surface seems dumb)
ideas ive had
-make a template of the floor pattern outta cardboard for the front and rear cut the intricate thing out with a torch and hope all goes well
- weld tunnel and sill, try to bash the floor level as possible 1/4 inch almost in a couple places and weld front and rear as well as plug weld through drilled out spot welds and hope this doesn't bow
- run flat bar in grooves, weld to floor then weld plate to flat bar ala plug welds as well as front and rear surfaces filling gaps with tedious welding, this method also ups the weight factor and i feel is a structural patch.

some explanation of pics before i get my throat cut.
has to zip tunnels to narrow tunnel to fit fat seats, structure will be welded from underneath to pans as well as tunnel reinforced from underneath with custom fabbed braces

square or round tubing is not an option as i onlt have 5 1/2 inches to roof with helmet and hans on. (i'm 6'4)



All bridges burnt, island life is beauty
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Attachments:
open | download - image.jpg (39.6 KB)
image.jpg
open | download - image.jpg (27.4 KB)
image.jpg
open | download - image.jpg (37.1 KB)
image.jpg
john vanlandingham
John Vanlandingham
Ultra Moderator
Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA
Join Date: 12/20/2005
Age: Ancient
Posts: 13,997

Rally Car:
Saab 96 V4



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 09:06AM
put your name up someplace. There's no thing "heroic" or "ironic' or "making a point.


You have corregartions, its gonna be resting on the high spots.

Zap them down---I assume there is substantial overlapping of the parts----like an inch or so----


Once its tacked on all the high spots, start welding and pound down the thin stuff as you go.
No fun.



John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Rallymech
Robert Gobright
Super Moderator
Location: White Center Seattle
Join Date: 04/27/2008
Age: Midlife Crisis
Posts: 1,287

Rally Car:
91 VW GTI 8V


Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 12:08PM
You absolutely need to consult with your local scrutineer to determine if your design is legal.

Overlap the metal and then squish it together before you weld. AFTER YOU ARE SURE ITS LEGAL!



Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.
Please Login or Register to post a reply
tdrrally
edward mucklow
Senior Moderator
Location: charleston,wv
Join Date: 05/31/2011
Age: Midlife Crisis
Posts: 736

Rally Car:
ford mustang LX 5.0, 1973 VW Beetle



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 12:21PM
i have the same issue, i'm 6'2" and building a fox mustang
so reworking the floor is where a good amount of my time is going

here is what someone did to their car to get race seats to fit and sit a bit lower



very nice

john correct me if i'm wrong but is this an xratty?



I would rather drive a slow car fast as a fast car slow!
first rule of cars: get what makes you happy, your the one paying for it!
Please Login or Register to post a reply
john vanlandingham
John Vanlandingham
Ultra Moderator
Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA
Join Date: 12/20/2005
Age: Ancient
Posts: 13,997

Rally Car:
Saab 96 V4



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 01:04PM
Quote
tdrrally
i have the same issue, i'm 6'2" and building a fox mustang
so reworking the floor is where a good amount of my time is going

here is what someone did to their car to get race seats to fit and sit a bit lower

very nice

john correct me if i'm wrong but is this an xratty?

Yep.



John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Snidewhips
Jermama
Mod Moderator
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canuckistan
Join Date: 05/23/2013
Posts: 264

Rally Car:
1990 acura integra


Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 01:47PM
cant do it takes away vital clearance as mentioned in my can't dos and i have tried when wrestling over complicated fia cross mounts. this works just wanna keep the trays level, working on as i type a talent ive developed since changiing my legal name to jermama



All bridges burnt, island life is beauty
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Snidewhips
Jermama
Mod Moderator
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canuckistan
Join Date: 05/23/2013
Posts: 264

Rally Car:
1990 acura integra


Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 01:50PM
its legal as well sandwich plates will be used to connect to floor tray. and i did mention ill be overlap welding to trays



All bridges burnt, island life is beauty
Please Login or Register to post a reply
fiasco
Andrew Steere
Junior Moderator
Location: South Central Nude Hamster
Join Date: 12/29/2005
Age: Midlife Crisis
Posts: 1,939

Rally Car:
too rich for my blood, share a LeMons car



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 07:31PM
This is what I found from my Lemons car build...definitely took a little work to make it work, but passes Lemons tech easy-peasy.







Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY
Please Login or Register to post a reply
NoCoast
Grant Hughes
Professional Moderator
Location: Denver, CO
Join Date: 01/11/2006
Age: Settling Down
Posts: 6,740

Rally Car:
Merkur



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 20, 2015 10:44PM
It seems to me that a 6'5" dude should stop trying to rally Hondas and get something with room to spare like an E36 BMW like an adult. smiling smiley



Grant Hughes
http://rally.build
Denver, CO
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Snidewhips
Jermama
Mod Moderator
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canuckistan
Join Date: 05/23/2013
Posts: 264

Rally Car:
1990 acura integra


Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 21, 2015 01:27AM
thatll be next grant, this aint a whole buncha work plus i just wanna have a season to run and decide if its something financially affable, a bucketlist if you will. on the bmw front cars aint as cheap here as you yanks get em for so bmw aint so cheap to do, subaru on the other hand...
don't get me wrong i think 2wd is where its at but at the rate frs s and brz s are depreciating...
oh oh i gotta winter beater
it isnt blue



All bridges burnt, island life is beauty
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Attachments:
open | download - image.jpg (56.1 KB)
image.jpg
open | download - image.jpg (41.8 KB)
image.jpg
hoche
Michel Hoche-Mong
Junior Moderator
Location: Campbell, CA
Join Date: 02/28/2006
Age: Possibly Wise
Posts: 1,124

Rally Car:
Golf, Golf, RX-3



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 21, 2015 01:48AM
I will not logbook or accept at an event a car with the seats bolted to the floorpan. It is too flimsy.

If you were to make some crossmembers welded in securely to the center hump and outer sill and/or cage, and then made some sort of drop mount so that the seat was securely mounted to them but sat down below their height, I might be ok with that depending on how it was done.

FWIW, I am not a CARS scrutineer. I am, however, a Rally-America and NRS one.



Self-righteous douche canoe
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Snidewhips
Jermama
Mod Moderator
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canuckistan
Join Date: 05/23/2013
Posts: 264

Rally Car:
1990 acura integra


Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 21, 2015 02:05AM
fia documents clearly recognize sandwich plating as acceptable practice when mounting plate is welded to chassis, the plate is protection in case of floor contact. when the tunnel is reinforced from top and undercarriage flimsy won't be the issue..



All bridges burnt, island life is beauty
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Towona
Tony P
Professional Moderator
Location: Alberta, Canada
Join Date: 08/21/2010
Age: Midlife Crisis
Posts: 147

Rally Car:
MK2 Golf



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 21, 2015 05:27PM
PREPARE YOUR ANUS




Runamuck Rally
Please Login or Register to post a reply
john vanlandingham
John Vanlandingham
Ultra Moderator
Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA
Join Date: 12/20/2005
Age: Ancient
Posts: 13,997

Rally Car:
Saab 96 V4



Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 21, 2015 06:41PM
Quote
Towona
PREPARE YOUR ANUS

smileys with beer



John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Snidewhips
Jermama
Mod Moderator
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canuckistan
Join Date: 05/23/2013
Posts: 264

Rally Car:
1990 acura integra


Re: floor mounting seats, need ideas
April 22, 2015 02:39AM
For??



All bridges burnt, island life is beauty
Please Login or Register to post a reply
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login