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1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build

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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 14, 2015 07:15PM
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Height, weight, waist size are all things that will help with recommendations

Roger that- I am 6'3", 225lbs, wear a 36" pant.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 15, 2015 08:22AM
These Bimarcos seem to be the best value currently.
http://rally.build/category/products/seats/



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 15, 2015 12:08PM
Yup, Bimarco Grip at $540 or Futura are both great seats for price for your size. They take about four-six weeks to get to you after you place your order with us (Rally.Build). I have two Grip's in stock but then you have to pay shipping from Denver to Phoenix, like 150-200.
What is first event?



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 15, 2015 06:45PM
The new cage is looking great. Let me know if you'd like me to check on progress in person.

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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 12:35PM
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Yup, Bimarco Grip at $540 or Futura are both great seats for price for your size. They take about four-six weeks to get to you after you place your order with us (Rally.Build). I have two Grip's in stock but then you have to pay shipping from Denver to Phoenix, like 150-200.
What is first event?

My co driver has a contact that he is talking to about seats too- but he's mentioning extra stuff I'm not familiar with as a rookie (in quotes).

"No Ralph I wouldn't put that seat in a race car---especially if anyone is over 5'8 and 170lbs. It's not very comfortable and not near as safe as the better seats in their line. I sell more cobra than momo because they blend Kevlar into them---much stronger/safer---check out the suzuka and sebring---the sebring offer's head support and I'd recommend at least one head support seat to keep the helmets from banging together in a crash..."

"Hey Ralph-the Suzuka is $799 and the Sebring is $1049---they'll both require alloy side mounts which are $149 a side---I'd recommend putting a slider on the driver---with the head support seat and the steering wheel you'll need to slide the seat rearward to exit. Sliders are $89. All prices are plus shipping---availability is usually 2-3 days provided they are in stock at Cobra USA-thanks!"

The seat he was referring to us NOT using was a $400 momo one he found online somewhere. The race is at the beginning of October.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 12:44PM
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The new cage is looking great. Let me know if you'd like me to check on progress in person.

-Jon

Thanks Jon! And again for coming by to look the first time! The car is currently in a shop out in Deer Valley airport park. It's a friend, so stopping by randomly is not a problem as long as someone is there with the doors unlocked. He's kind of waiting for our seat decision to finish the seat specific stuff he's welding for us, but other than that, it's done. We blew a lot of budget/time on the cage, so we'd love some input on the minimum stuff we need to finish and then recommendations for stuff to do if there's time. I've also located a donor car to get all the minor bits and pieces (wiper motors, etc) that are missing.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 12:50PM
Jason, visualize something for a second; car impacts something or flips..forces working on BOTH driver and co=driver work in the same direction. BOTH swing -------------> this way then booof! <------------------------that way simultaneous....
Think further. BOTH have helmets on heads connected to necks---and tethered with HANS or similar..
What force could make one head sway one way, and the other in the opposite way.
What is the deal even if the helmets ding eachother.?

. They bounce off...the bodies move..Its not solid immovable brittle bodies ramming into eachother--somehow unexplained...

Just a quick qestion about the prep so far..
Have you thought about what shock you will be using?
Those added in towers LOOK real short...Means a real short shock and that is already Mustangs problem..
What shock? What length?



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 12:58PM
I'm 6'6 (190lbs, 34 waist) and have never had an issue with getting in and out of a car with winged seats unless the door bars were placed really high. The Fox body also has HUGE doors, I would think that you would have enough space. A steering wheel coupler can really help if you're pressed for space. I don't think you need slidders, and there are some really good cheaper options out there if you want them.

I really like how Dave Clark did the cage in the Volvo linked below. Just a single diagonal for the door bars, and it offers plenty of space to get in and out. With Sparco or OMP winged seats, it hasn't been a problem getting in and out. I will say that with passenger seat not mounted as low as possible, it's a little cramped vertically, and we had to play with the mounts a few times to get it right. Like I said, at 6'6, I have no problem driving or co-driving in the car.
Post 56 for craptastic photos: http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,83276,page=3

I would go for winged seats if you can, especially for the navigator. It's nice to not have your head bouncing around as much on stage.
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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 02:24PM
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Jason, visualize something for a second; car impacts something or flips..forces working on BOTH driver and co=driver work in the same direction. BOTH swing -------------> this way then booof! <------------------------that way simultaneous....
Think further. BOTH have helmets on heads connected to necks---and tethered with HANS or similar..
What force could make one head sway one way, and the other in the opposite way.
What is the deal even if the helmets ding eachother.?

. They bounce off...the bodies move..Its not solid immovable brittle bodies ramming into eachother--somehow unexplained...

Just a quick qestion about the prep so far..
Have you thought about what shock you will be using?
Those added in towers LOOK real short...Means a real short shock and that is already Mustangs problem..
What shock? What length?

Thanks, I was kind of getting the impression he was taking advantage of my co driver a little with some of that, good points.

As far as the shocks - another good point that I think everyone just kind of overlooked. I'm sure the towers were built to whatever was already in there (stock probably, but I'll find out). We've discussed shock options before, but we were focused so much on the overall cage part that we forgot about it.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 02:29PM
can't have sliders in a rally car if I recall



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 02:46PM
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Jason, visualize something for a second; car impacts something or flips..forces working on BOTH driver and co=driver work in the same direction. BOTH swing -------------> this way then booof! <------------------------that way simultaneous....
Think further. BOTH have helmets on heads connected to necks---and tethered with HANS or similar..
What force could make one head sway one way, and the other in the opposite way.
What is the deal even if the helmets ding eachother.?

. They bounce off...the bodies move..Its not solid immovable brittle bodies ramming into eachother--somehow unexplained...

Just a quick qestion about the prep so far..
Have you thought about what shock you will be using?
Those added in towers LOOK real short...Means a real short shock and that is already Mustangs problem..
What shock? What length?

Thanks, I was kind of getting the impression he was taking advantage of my co driver a little with some of that, good points.

As far as the shocks - another good point that I think everyone just kind of overlooked. I'm sure the towers were built to whatever was already in there (stock probably, but I'll find out). We've discussed shock options before, but we were focused so much on the overall cage part that we forgot about it.

OK well think about the length 26.65" c-c and an eyelet top BEFORE the rar back stays and diagonals are in cause those tubes+ one up from the base of the main hoop, OUGHT to go to the towers.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 02:58PM
Thanks for all the input guys, much appreciated.

Jon - What's the ruling on sliders?

Robert - I probably won't need them like you said... I was climbing in and out of it before and with that old cage and those Kirkey seats I think it was even more difficult than this will be and it wasn't a problem.

Grant - What would you recommend selling a couple of guys starting out? I'm 6'3" 225, 36in waist, in good shape, broad shoulders... about a 44 long on a suit jacket... My co driver is more like 5'9, 190, a little rounder, 36 inch waist as well. We'll pay a little extra for anything important in your opinion (like wings), but save a little money on frills.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 04:54PM
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"No Ralph I wouldn't put that seat in a race car---especially if anyone is over 5'8 and 170lbs. It's not very comfortable and not near as safe as the better seats in their line. I sell more cobra than momo because they blend Kevlar into them---much stronger/safer---check out the suzuka and sebring---the sebring offer's head support and I'd recommend at least one head support seat to keep the helmets from banging together in a crash..."

"Hey Ralph-the Suzuka is $799 and the Sebring is $1049---they'll both require alloy side mounts which are $149 a side---I'd recommend putting a slider on the driver---with the head support seat and the steering wheel you'll need to slide the seat rearward to exit. Sliders are $89. All prices are plus shipping---availability is usually 2-3 days provided they are in stock at Cobra USA-thanks!"

The seat he was referring to us NOT using was a $400 momo one he found online somewhere. The race is at the beginning of October.

Do not buy used seats unless you know what you are getting.
Most people sell more of whatever makes them more profit in my experience.
We have one Cobra seat on display. We took it on trade for a new Sparco. I've sat in plenty of seats, they all fit differently and I have yet to figure out how to translate dimensions into how well it will fit, only that it won't on small seats like the Sparco Circuit.
The Sparco Pro ADV used to be my go to seat. We've sold more of them than any other seat. Fits a wide range of body shapes, but the thing I have never liked for those of us over 6' is that the head wings start to feel more like shoulder wings. You can go with the Recaro seats that solve that but they are like $1500 a seat and well, I am not willing to pay that much personally and neither are many of my customers.
The Bimarco Grip is my new go to seat though we haven't sold one yet. I will be putting one in my next car. I'm currently at 215, 36 waist and a touch over 6'. The fabric is lower quality but at half the price of most other comparable seats, that's not bad.
I like steel side mounts at $75 per seat. The alloy ones I had were fucking garbage and annoying and are on display only duty these days.
I don't know if sliders are legal but I know I would NEVER use or install one in a customers car. One Colorado driver left an accident with broken back. Slider failed. There is no standard and most are rather chinsy looking.

The $400 Momo seat, if new was probably a tube frame seat. I had bruises on my sides from a full rally codriving in a tube seat. They are fine and probably last longer than a fiberglass seat and I've heard some convincing argument that the little bit of play from suspension of the seat can help with bad backs and big jumps but the comfort level on them sucks.



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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 06:36PM
Per the NRS rulebook -
3.7 Seats shall be of one-piece construction, and shall be firmly mounted
to the floor of the vehicle in such a manner as to prevent the
movement of the seat in case of an accident. Aluminum seats (e.g.
Butler Built, Kirkey) are banned as of 3/1/05. Use of FIA
certified/homologated seats is required.

So, not sliders is my impression. But, many people in the past have drilled and bolted through OEM sliders to make them fixed position. You remove the bolts, change the position for another owner or driver, then drill a second hole for bolting it to a fixed position again. The OEM mounts, if you need to have the seat adjustable would be the only way I would go, wouldn't trust aftermarket sliders.

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Re: 1990 Mustang 5.0 Rally Build
July 16, 2015 06:37PM
I'm around for the next few weekend, before I run up to Utah for a rally. If you would like me to swing by the shop, meet up again to look at the car, just give me a call.

-Jon
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