Good Rallye car build?
Posted by MassiveWolves
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One of the lovely things about VWs is the fact that so many parts from one chassis generation to the next interchange. -sometimes effortlessly and almost always with plenty of aftermarket support. I feel a bit odd making my first post in this forum about my creation. However, it was mentioned. So, now's the time to provide contextual information (while I stay out of the food fight). Since photos are worth a thousand words, I'll just let them tell the development story. 
Summary: Our upcoming 2.0l 8vT kit will position a K03 or K04 turbo in the exact 3D space as on a Mk4 Golf or Jetta. Thus, all Mk4 1.8T plumbing bits will bolt to it (i.e. SMIC, exhaust, piping, etc). On a Mk2 or Mk3 car, you'll need to fabricate your own IC piping and such, but that's no biggy. (Down pipes are already available.) What's certain is that the power band for this combination will be outstanding for rally use. -"torque NOW!" We'll make promo deals for rallyists in good standing with the community (which is almost everybody because we all get along respectfully, right?). Shiny side up!  Scott F. Williams Team Director US Rally Team 856.456.3335 Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2015 11:22AM by Scott@USRT. |
Erik Hill Elite Moderator Location: Green Bay, WI Join Date: 05/09/2012 Age: Settling Down Posts: 13 Rally Car: ZX3 Focus (Building) |
Josh Wimpey Senior Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
Erik Hill Elite Moderator Location: Green Bay, WI Join Date: 05/09/2012 Age: Settling Down Posts: 13 Rally Car: ZX3 Focus (Building) |
Mike Ball Ultra Moderator Location: Simi Valley,Ca. Join Date: 07/15/2011 Age: Ancient Posts: 466 Rally Car: Nope...I wish...RWD 2 Door Jeep XJ 4.0 5-spd Dirt-o-cross car(we have no grass!)2.3 ZX3 rallyx car(sold) |
Josh...thanks for your input..I attached a pic of you racing(and trouncing )said orange Focus at rallycross.
As far as Andrew K's car being in Canada..not the US...I would imagine your typical Canadian Focus builds would be quite similar to those on the other side of the border-no? Maybe even more expensive on the north side with customs fees? Or are our Canadian Rallyanarchists from the great white North hoarding special secret Canadian -spec focus parts... possibly stamped with a maple leaf? 
Erik thanks for your input too. So you bought the Orange Focus as a wrecked parts car? Any link to your current build? .................................... ................................................. ..................... Support your Local North American Rally Forum!! While they are still around-and get the hell off Farsebook!! We still have Specialstage & RallyAnarchy. Post up Here: https://rallyanarchy.com/phorum/posting.php and here: https://www.specialstage.com/forums/forum.php Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2015 01:08PM by RALLYRS. |
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Erik Hill Elite Moderator Location: Green Bay, WI Join Date: 05/09/2012 Age: Settling Down Posts: 13 Rally Car: ZX3 Focus (Building) |
Mike I didn't do a build thread or anything for my build mostly took the time to just build the car and not really worry about documenting the build. there are a few pics on my facebook page at Erik Hill Racing of the build. I purchased the car as a running driving car just as it came off the rally cross track. I had to pull the drive train out and return it to whiskers but everything else was there. I got the whole spare parts package and all. My intentions were to rebuild Van Ways car and hit the stages with minimal off time from selling my previous car and slowly build my car but after assessing DVW's car we just decided to continue on with our build. I just scrapped the car last summer. if someone wanted to spend the time and replace a bunch of the sheet metal on it you could have made it a usable car again but by the time you did that you could just buy a new shell and start fresh. |
John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Josh I lurv ya and all but whn you say in Point 3 above
I hafta squirm a bit reading that. Unless a person is flat rich then any person desiring to do and STAY in rally better learn some pretty rudimentary fab/weld skills... We don't have the biggest thing they have in the good countries: volunteer networks.... everybody is an expert on keyboards, few can weld So we have everybody with 3 rallies EVER who if they have a keyboard and hang out a lot open shops and begin working for PAY... EVERY car needs some strengthening and welding IF you want to do more than the "3 rallys and disappear" act. Second--don't take this wrong now, OK? But : you're one to talk.. 
Your previous Golf was very nicely and very extensively worked on And your current version is even more so.. So saying don't pay attention to me unless you have you have lots of fab skills implies the things I suggest are junk unless you fab a lot.. And that's flat wrong.. Plenty of guys doing the Xratty or Volvo route have decided to go in in advance and stitch and strengthen and mod a few easy things...like adding towers..Some it was "hell", but look at eric Everty and Matt Watson, one a 22 year old the other early 30s, neither had done ANY fab/weld type stuff. But they both built good solid cars.... Knowing now how much of a whim thing "wanting" to go rally is now I say "Meh, if you have the engine out you might wanna stitch weld at that time..." Not an absolute.. I now know better most are not interested in really stretching themselves, or growing and learning new skills and developing as a person, they just want to put lots of stickers on their cars and post on FaceBook about how cool rallyracing is.. And I make a point to show people lots of VOC cars from Sweden and Finland, even Holland and Germany--Volvo ORIGINAL cup.....and they're always impressed--only after do i point out those were VOC cars and what that means...that they can do similar if they want.. and kick plenty of ass if they want to. Finally: what the hell are you going on about how buckets of torque isn't going to stress a gearbox? Torque is exactly what stresses boxes... I understand that its a way to overcome the expense of sourcing and installing a short axel ratio... And while I agree broad torque lessen the need for fun ratios, final drive is still important... Can't get around that...and it is a big gawddam pisser cause I like N.A. cars, and I like Golves.. IIs IIIs, even 4s --with normal knuckles.. But damn FWD bits are expensive.. But da fuq? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
yeah if you can find an unrusty one up there.. What you planning on the rear? Pretty easy jobs have been done already for coilover shocks and even one guy in NH did rear struts... Kuligowski and Sutherland and another guy in NY seem pretty tickled with the nice long Bilstein I've sent them, so curious what you got in mind John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Erik Hill Elite Moderator Location: Green Bay, WI Join Date: 05/09/2012 Age: Settling Down Posts: 13 Rally Car: ZX3 Focus (Building) |
John, When looking for my donor car I was lucky enough to find a 2001 with 55k miles rust free with a blown engine. I also recently picked up an 2005 with the 2.0 duratec with under 100k on it rust free. So I have been pretty lucky on finding rust free ones but I do get what your saying about finding a clean candidate. I have looked into what you built and am thinking about replicating a similar set up. I know a few guys around here that are into racing short course off road so going to try to incorporate there style into the rear also. |
Josh Wimpey Senior Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
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John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Good, truck guys are usually fairly awake if the actually race...and in all USA , according to the techs I talk to at Bilstein who do the actual work assembling the inserts and doing the re-valves, they're the only people who don't consistently want valving and springs "waaay waaaaaaaay too stiff all the time...aside from you". Here's the thing---follow along.. They make a lotta cool stuff---for what they're doing...and they seem to not be shy about spending money.. I am extremely budget minded to the point people get all snotty and scream at me that not everybody is broke ass... So for example the Sooooper Bitchin tubular thing that I cooked up some years ago and which Willaim of TSS Fab carved up and welded (I was being nice to a new business and flipping him some work---nice, huh? ) was/is real neato torpedo and gosh golly keen, but it cost money and time...Daddy paid for it in that case.. In the passage of time I have had now maybe 6-7 other Fuckii to do and mostly it was younger guys---not broke but not rolling in dough like Daddy was. I came up with an idea for a very very cheap way to get 85% of the benefit: strength---for 1/10 the cost... the idea was to NOT cut away the forward running part of the 
but instead, just weld some CrMo tubes to the backside of the OEM part that mimics the shallow V we made.. And swap out the other stamped curtain rods.. We went overboard, as always for the diameter and wall, and it cost more fab time welding in the weld ends.. Screw it, for less that $12 you buy circle track swadged links.. There's the ol' saying "No reason to re-re-invent the wheel, again, for the second time, again" KnowwhatImeanvern? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Stump pulling? Come on are you shovelling ion a wee bit deep eh? I don't recall seeiong any stock final drives shorter than 4.2 and if that's stump pulling, what is my stock 4.88? or my rally car 5.43? (Psssst How's your sister? Still remember meeting you---and her a loooooooooooong time ago (blush)"  John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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That = "stump pulling" aggressive when discussed among non-rally lunatics, man. -especially when paired with a USRT turbo system. (chuckle) Even with NA, though, the average "club" level competitor isn't building a 9k rpm grenade motor. They're more likely to do something that utilizes the VW engine's inherently "rally-friendly" torque band. I mean all of them, really. -the 2.slow 8vs, 16vs, and the dumb VR6 (which has no place in a rally car, imho). Horsepower? -not so much. Torque? Yeah, and "now, thanks".
Heheh, she's doin' just fine. -married with a 5-month old.  Scott F. Williams Team Director US Rally Team 856.456.3335 |
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