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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 01, 2015 06:34PM
http://www.vwmotorsport.com/vwmedia/files/Mk2%20Golf%20Bodyshell%20Preparation.pdf



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 27, 2015 10:32PM
John Vanlandingham wers dat infermation yous twer gunna send me regardening a deposite on sum of dem der soooooooper bitchin suspenders?



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 27, 2015 11:19PM
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John Vanlandingham wers dat infermation yous twer gunna send me regardening a deposite on sum of dem der soooooooper bitchin suspenders?

You mean like the spaypal address? janvanvurpa then the at thing then F4 then dot CA

Just like my email except the stuff after the @



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 27, 2015 11:48PM
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John Vanlandingham wers dat infermation yous twer gunna send me regardening a deposite on sum of dem der soooooooper bitchin suspenders?

You mean like the spaypal address? janvanvurpa then the at thing then F4 then dot CA

Just like my email except the stuff after the @
I will call you in the AM, thinking you don't want Canadian Pesos for payment.



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 28, 2015 12:47AM
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John Vanlandingham wers dat infermation yous twer gunna send me regardening a deposite on sum of dem der soooooooper bitchin suspenders?

You mean like the spaypal address? janvanvurpa then the at thing then F4 then dot CA

Just like my email except the stuff after the @
I will call you in the AM, thinking you don't want Canadian Pesos for payment.

Some guys have sent Canajian postal money orders denominated in Merkanskij dollares...Cheap and for me same as cash.



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 30, 2015 12:20AM
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John Vanlandingham wers dat infermation yous twer gunna send me regardening a deposite on sum of dem der soooooooper bitchin suspenders?

You mean like the spaypal address? janvanvurpa then the at thing then F4 then dot CA

Just like my email except the stuff after the @
I will call you in the AM, thinking you don't want Canadian Pesos for payment.

Some guys have sent Canajian postal money orders denominated in Merkanskij dollares...Cheap and for me same as cash.

Hey John,
The 3.94 in 16V trim might be a better option for me with the 1.26 fifth, either or will work just would not have to spin 8k plus to get to 110 target top speed,



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
July 30, 2015 12:43AM
Weber 850cc Turbo



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
October 25, 2015 09:55PM
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Well my engine build parameters just got locked in to a pretty specific rpm range.......

wanna 'splain???
Soon as I get a tracking number. Pumped

Only took a few months to get this deal done......
Brand new complete 1-5 Gemini 16V VWMS Gearset en route to my place!
Now to find a 16V R&P



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October 25, 2015 11:16PM
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Wow, time to get cracking...kewl.



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
October 27, 2015 10:26AM
That is an absolutely amazing deal! Congrats! Feel free to PM if you have any questions about installation.
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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
October 27, 2015 10:48PM
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That is an absolutely amazing deal! Congrats! Feel free to PM if you have any questions about installation.
Thanks Erik, will do.
Need to find a 3.94(super rare AFIK) or a 4.20 R&P in the 16V shaft size, there's no OEM variations so it's VWMS or nothing. I do have an 8V 3.94, would have to find out if an 8V 1.43 4th would mesh with a 16V 4th. Not sure who's pattern MTS work off for their stuff.



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
October 28, 2015 01:25PM
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Thanks Erik, will do.
Need to find a 3.94(super rare AFIK) or a 4.20 R&P in the 16V shaft size, there's no OEM variations so it's VWMS or nothing. I do have an 8V 3.94, would have to find out if an 8V 1.43 4th would mesh with a 16V 4th. Not sure who's pattern MTS work off for their stuff.

Do you have the gearset in your hands yet? Check the size of 4th gear. I think the 16v VWMS gearset used a 16v input shaft, but an 8v sized output (pinion) shaft. I suspect they did this to simplify mixing and matching final drives. You may actually be able to use your 8v R&P!

I'm not an expert, so don't take my word for it. Take some measurements of the splines on 4th gear before you buy a final drive.

Never mix and match mated gears though.

You will need a 16v case though to accommodate the larger 16v input shaft. You will also need to clearance the case big time to fit those gears. You will definitely need a LOT of patience. My biggest piece of advice is to do a test assembly with used circlips, seals, bearings and 5th gear bolt as you go, and only once you're satisfied that everything fits without interference tear it all down and reassemble with the good new circlips and bearings. Trust me.

Pay careful attention to the clearance between 2nd and 3rd gear. You may need to shim the large input shaft ball bearing so they don't interfere (there is an OEM shim for this).

Good luck!

-Erik
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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
October 28, 2015 01:52PM
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Thanks Erik, will do.
Need to find a 3.94(super rare AFIK) or a 4.20 R&P in the 16V shaft size, there's no OEM variations so it's VWMS or nothing. I do have an 8V 3.94, would have to find out if an 8V 1.43 4th would mesh with a 16V 4th. Not sure who's pattern MTS work off for their stuff.

Do you have the gearset in your hands yet? Check the size of 4th gear. I think the 16v VWMS gearset used a 16v input shaft, but an 8v sized output (pinion) shaft. I suspect they did this to simplify mixing and matching final drives. You may actually be able to use your 8v R&P!

I'm not an expert, so don't take my word for it. Take some measurements of the splines on 4th gear before you buy a final drive.

Never mix and match mated gears though.

You will need a 16v case though to accommodate the larger 16v input shaft. You will also need to clearance the case big time to fit those gears. You will definitely need a LOT of patience. My biggest piece of advice is to do a test assembly with used circlips, seals, bearings and 5th gear bolt as you go, and only once you're satisfied that everything fits without interference tear it all down and reassemble with the good new circlips and bearings. Trust me.

Pay careful attention to the clearance between 2nd and 3rd gear. You may need to shim the large input shaft ball bearing so they don't interfere (there is an OEM shim for this).

Good luck!

-Erik
Hopefully that is the case, would make life a lot simpler, would only need a diff then.
I have a 16V 2Y and a diesel ACH with the 3.94 FD.
Did you machine the trans case or clearance it with a die grinder?
I would definitely do a dry run.



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Re: Found a needle in the VW Haystack
October 29, 2015 10:17AM
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Hopefully that is the case, would make life a lot simpler, would only need a diff then.
I have a 16V 2Y and a diesel ACH with the 3.94 FD.
Did you machine the trans case or clearance it with a die grinder?
I would definitely do a dry run.

I used a dremel to clearance the case. If I had to do it again I would probably use a milling machine, but the dremel worked fine.
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