zach613 zach wittmer Mod Moderator Location: parkers prairie Join Date: 11/29/2015 Posts: 4 Rally Car: mk3 |
So new to the fourm, new to Rally,Just bought the car today and This seemed to be a good place to keep track of my first build. My plans for this car as of now is to have it out iceoval racing a couple times this winter then run it next fall hopefully in nemadji. It is a 96vr6. Investment to date is 550$
It has a few isues i need to take care of before i get into the build more. Throws a code for a coolant temp sensor, a code for the ignition i can not remeber off hand. The Previus owner also stated it would some times not start affter being ran a while till it cooled off completly. First things with the chasies will be to rebuild the rockers and door sill area and put in the rally stand points since i will welding their anyway and any other body spots that need help. |
Towona Tony P Elite Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/21/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 149 Rally Car: MK2 Golf |
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fliz Chad Eixenberger Godlike Moderator Location: Grafton, WI Join Date: 02/01/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 484 Rally Car: 1988 VW Golf #687 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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ElectroTech Steve Wheeler Infallible Moderator Location: Fork Lake, Alberta Join Date: 06/09/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 336 Rally Car: 1992 Golf |
You could fund a pretty stout 2l 16V by selling that VR6 as a swap for some guy wanting to do a Mk2 swap. Pluses are you have the better running gear/brakes already so you save that money already. Power means nothing if you cannot control it! |
zach613 zach wittmer Mod Moderator Location: parkers prairie Join Date: 11/29/2015 Posts: 4 Rally Car: mk3 |
What kind of hp gain/loss vs weight saving is their going to be with the 16 valve ruffly? I will check the front strut towers out this weekend when i have time to get it in the shop. I think my shift linkage is messed up for third gear also. I have to shift the lever twards fifth then push it left twards third then up into third.
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Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Junior Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
A bone stock ABF 16v motor makes 7hp less than the 12v VR6 motor makes stock. Not sure of the weight difference but it is considerable. ____________________________________________________________- One. Class -- 2WD www.quantumrallysport.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Quantum-Rally-Sport/281129179600?ref=nf |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Ultra Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
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danster Haggis Muncher Elite Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
Yes, the VR boxes have a different bellhousing bolt pattern compared to the 4 cylinder versions. So an 02A or 02J box specific to the VR engine is needed. Most internals are swappable between the 4 cylinder boxes so a std 4.25 R&P could be sourced. Standard 02A VR box final drives tend to be tall @ 3.3:1. Some of the later 02J VR boxes have lower final drive ratios, 3.9 comes to mind, this is because the later vehicles used larger wheels. Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Zach, no idea if I should say anything or if you want advice cause all the negative things I see all over, but what the fuck, good intentions and all:
Anybody who i talk to knows I say PLAN. The key to happiness is planning.. Those VR6 things are a) heavier b0 heavier in the wrong place, and come with a sky high ratio final drive.. They DO make OK torque---roughly 180 ft/lbs which is GOOD when a stock 2,0 16v makes maybe 130 ft/lbs or a smidge more.. Not bad but nothing to get too excited about. And remember in n.a. motors I stress "What da engine doan a-make in ft/lbs, the final drive does" But sit back and think ahead (and think back 30-40 years for that matter).. Now roll your eyes back about 20 degrees and breathe... We're now end of ice season and you had a buncha fun (I really heart ice racing, good cheap mindless fun) and you're moving ahead but already there's a little guy on your shoulder like this: Yeah and the one is saying "Yeah more motor, that's the ticket, Yeah just imagine" (I don't know which one is saying it honestly) Everybody does eventually..... and then you immediately see the problem. That VR6 is a kinda "run it like it is or pay the piper big time motor" With a nice 2,0 16v you can easily mod it, make it funner, not break the bank AND save 70+ lbs of weight.. Then you're in the bestest class: Group 2.. And then just the normal VW problems of gear ratios and final drive at an affordable price. Remember you were getting all reflective? You were supposed to also be thinking "did anybody ever in places where there's real established hard competition ever use the VR6 ---or really much more than a simple 2,0 16v to go like stink (willfully ignoring the last 20 years of a certain Nordic made )2300 8v car matching and beating factory prepped German 2,0 16v cars?" And reflect how a young, but good Ozzie came to merikuh and stomped to death every single Open and Stupor Ploduction turbo AWD cars save 2or at most 3 in a little meek 1600 16v n/a car. 1600cc 16v....And you could (snap) do a nice 2000cc car for easy money (maybe only splurging for some nice forged hi comp pistons so you could do like 11.5 comp (that's not crazy considering how many VW engines are 10.8 stock). Think about it.....and click the sound effect again John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2015 03:15AM by john vanlandingham. |
zach613 zach wittmer Mod Moderator Location: parkers prairie Join Date: 11/29/2015 Posts: 4 Rally Car: mk3 |
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DexterVW David Baker Junior Moderator Location: Rhode my Island Join Date: 11/20/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 290 Rally Car: 95 GTI TDI |
Build the chassis and rock the vr till it blows sky high. (replace the crack pipe first)
VW's are so stupidly easy to swap motors on. Build your cage, build your suspension and GET ON STAGE. Then worry about that boat anchor of a motor. 172hp even with the horrible "for rally" gear ratio will get you down the stage and across the finish line with a HUGE smile on your face. There is a team running a black jetta vr6 out there somewhere.. and they are having the time of their lives. Now once you blow it up... 16V, 8V, TDI, 1.8T, 2.0T etc... they all bolt in with a little electronic wizardry for some (others are a simple ecu swap) Keep the 02a/j trans and shifter and rock on. Do be careful with higher ride heights and the vr suspension... axles don't like it. |
Dante Allan Dantes Ultra Moderator Location: Herman, MI Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 176 Rally Car: 87 Mazda LSRX-7 |
I think you should buy a yacht with a flag saying "Chillin' the Most", and rock that bish up and down the Coast!
Owner, Driver, Head Mechanic, and Janitor at Tower City Race Team, headquartered near L'Anse. Michigan. Driver / CoDriver in Rally America, NASARallySport, ARA, AMS, UPMDA, Champ Off Road https://www.facebook.com/TowerCityRaceTeam/ https://www.instagram.com/towercityraceteam/ |
DG_Rally Dave Grenwis Professional Moderator Location: Minneapolis, MN Join Date: 08/16/2012 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 125 Rally Car: '92 VW Golf |
Yes to the shifter and hydraulic clutch but the VR6 02a won't work in a 4 cylinder. Good luck on the build. Like the others said look for rust everywhere. Pull the carpet and start looking, the sooner you fix it the better. Dave Grenwis - DG Rally - www.dgrally.com |
DexterVW David Baker Junior Moderator Location: Rhode my Island Join Date: 11/20/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 290 Rally Car: 95 GTI TDI |
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