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Installing JVABS on VW MK2

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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 03, 2016 01:43PM
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Chill Winston...

The subi too mounts drop the upper shock mount about an inch right? Won't that decrease the amount of bump travel that the strut will have? There's not a lot of room on the top of a VW insert to drop the top that much and not reduce available bump travel. The solution to this is to raise the vehicle the same amount so overall bump travel is the same as if it had a mount in the stock location.

Or am I completely missing something here?
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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 04, 2016 12:23AM
Ozgur, Sounds good. As always, Thank you for the help and offer.


Josh, What is the sort of ride height you look for on gravel? Honestly the car doesn't appear that tall to me. Not that I've measured it yet.



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 04, 2016 10:02AM
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Robert Culbertson
Chill Winston...

The subi too mounts drop the upper shock mount about an inch right? Won't that decrease the amount of bump travel that the strut will have? There's not a lot of room on the top of a VW insert to drop the top that much and not reduce available bump travel. The solution to this is to raise the vehicle the same amount so overall bump travel is the same as if it had a mount in the stock location.

Or am I completely missing something here?
Cheers.

Yes.

Since John is being obtuse.

Robert,
The insert can be moved up or down relative to the upright (i.e. inside the tube) so long as the bottom doesn't interfere with the axle



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 04, 2016 10:05AM
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Josh, What is the sort of ride height you look for on gravel? Honestly the car doesn't appear that tall to me. Not that I've measured it yet.

I suppose that depends on how rough the event is.

We usually run with the suspension close to stock height -- probably not more than 1.25" higher than stock except for at Sandblast.

Note that too high in the rear, and it will be a handful in high-speed corners.



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 04, 2016 10:37AM
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Since John is being obtuse.

Robert,
The insert can be moved up or down relative to the upright (i.e. inside the tube) so long as the bottom doesn't interfere with the axle

Derpitty-do-dah, totally got it now. I was stuck thinking about a stock strut with the mounting ears not moving. The ears were just raised on the outer tubes to make up for the difference with the top mount being lower.
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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 04, 2016 11:07AM
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Robert Culbertson
Chill Winston...

The subi too mounts drop the upper shock mount about an inch right? Won't that decrease the amount of bump travel that the strut will have? There's not a lot of room on the top of a VW insert to drop the top that much and not reduce available bump travel. The solution to this is to raise the vehicle the same amount so overall bump travel is the same as if it had a mount in the stock location.

Or am I completely missing something here?
Cheers.

Yes.

Since John is being obtuse.

Robert,
The insert can be moved up or down relative to the upright (i.e. inside the tube) so long as the bottom doesn't interfere with the axle

Yeah I'm tired of second guessing from folks that haven't really looked at the basic parts and see how they are...The stock stuff everybody has like Bob and so many others I've re-done ---and it must be at least 20 Golves/Jettas bu now I've re-done----have about 160mm travel, a real long bottom tube and enormous overlap topped off with space wasting top pin so the overall stock package is yay long for piddly travel..

I ditch the stock lower tube, we remove internal spacers so the travel goes to about 190mm, then remachine the top pin and use my own (copy of Group N Ford) upper spring seat saving a whole bunch of length.... so the insert is +30, the top is redone be around -20 min so overall length comes out barely longer..

It works fine as plenty of guys know and use to pretty good effect..
But what advantage to I get from explaining everything to Culbertson?
None.



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 06, 2016 03:45AM
So, got to hammer out the studs and install bolts on Monday. Fits nice, both plates are in place. Good enough for now grinning smiley

Anyone want to come navigate @ WMWR? The one I had lined up had to drop out.



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 09, 2016 06:43PM
I'd love to come out and navigate, sadly other commitments get in the way! Good luck finding someone to codrive
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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 28, 2016 04:59PM
I love teams that come from this kind of setting. It is great for the sport.
Keep it up!
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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
January 29, 2016 10:37AM
This is exactly what we did on my jetta....bill plated the tops to reinforce and jesse cut the volcano tops and drilled the holes for the bolts and bam! done!
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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
February 03, 2016 04:21AM
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I love teams that come from this kind of setting. It is great for the sport.
Keep it up!

Whatchu mean, 'setting'? Do you mean my (compared to some) automotive
Squalor? grinning smiley



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
February 03, 2016 02:12PM
Bingo!!!

True grassroots stuff!
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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
February 16, 2016 04:54PM
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Tein makes (or made) a subaru top mount that had a 'dome' to bring the bearing up almost 1". Not sure if they were for lowering cars and retaining bump or for getting more bump out of gravel cars...

Got a better photo for this....





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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
March 04, 2016 03:13PM
I think I'm going to raise my towers up an 1" and fab my own sheet metal parts. How thick of a plate should I use for the top?

FYI: I use a jumbo zip tie between the bolts on the shock body to hold the brake line in place since the OEM bracket is no longer there.



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Re: Installing JVABS on VW MK2
March 04, 2016 06:43PM
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I think I'm going to raise my towers up an 1" and fab my own sheet metal parts. How thick of a plate should I use for the top?

FYI: I use a jumbo zip tie between the bolts on the shock body to hold the brake line in place since the OEM bracket is no longer there.

.088-.093 should be fine.



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