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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 21, 2016 05:59PM
To clarify the cheap as possible thing, the items need to be reasonably cost effective with respect to durability. So the in the case of the HDs vs JVABs. Sure the HDs are cheaper, but they will wear out a lot faster than higher quality suspension set ups. So is it a reasonable buy if they dont last long? This is what I have to think about. So actually I wouldn't call it the cheapest possible way, but rather the most cost effective.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 21, 2016 06:21PM
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To clarify the cheap as possible thing, It items need to be reasonably cost effective over durability. So the in the case of the HDs vs JVABs. Sure the HDs are cheaper, but they will wear out a lot faster than higher quality suspension set ups. So is it a reasonable buy if they dont last long? This is what I have to think about. So actually I wouldn't call it the cheapest possible way, but rather the most cost effective.

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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 21, 2016 06:45PM
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"you are allowed to slow down a little."
I am not familiar with this terminology.cool smiley



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 21, 2016 06:46PM
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He is not worried about being on stage as quickly as possible.

He should be. I'm am 100% certain I'd be long gone if I had tried to build the Merkur first instead of buying the crappiest cheap car I could and slowly limping my way to the finish of my first rally. I was so late into final control they were packing up to leave. Like 30 minutes behind. I was hooked.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 21, 2016 09:18PM
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To clarify the cheap as possible thing, the items need to be reasonably cost effective with respect to durability. So the in the case of the HDs vs JVABs. Sure the HDs are cheaper, but they will wear out a lot faster than higher quality suspension set ups. So is it a reasonable buy if they dont last long? This is what I have to think about. So actually I wouldn't call it the cheapest possible way, but rather the most cost effective.

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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 12:28AM
Good stuff! Its been a while but I do recall good memories of a e30 I drove with an m42 powerplant. I imagine it will be fun on stage with plenty of room to improve it. Keep it moving!!!
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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 09:57AM
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All this and its all predicated on an erroneous presumtion.

He is not worried about being on stage as quickly as possible.

Except he stated in his intro that he wanted to enter a rally on Oct 1. Maybe I erroneously assumed he meant this year.
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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 11:26AM
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With the HDs, what springs would you use on them? Keep stock or go with something else?

I would just run stock springs and HDs. I am not in any way implying that this is a better suspension than something more rally focused. Just that you can have a lot of fun and do a lot of rallies on a more modest suspension than what many people in the sport today think you can.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 01:10PM
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With the HDs, what springs would you use on them? Keep stock or go with something else?

I would just run stock springs and HDs. I am not in any way implying that this is a better suspension than something more rally focused. Just that you can have a lot of fun and do a lot of rallies on a more modest suspension than what many people in the sport today think you can.

Yeah brilliant. spend $700 or 900 om something you know going in ill bend and bottom and cause problems and in short order due to frequent replacement of the inadequate things, end of matching the price of good suspension...

Wise use of limited funds..

Frick tell us right now ho much travel the BMW off the shelf HDs have.

And what I get curious about is why you get some stuff for your on car for several thousand bucks and that's hunky dory but a guy should get something that e know is not strong enough and absurdly short on travel even for 30 years ago.

The guy has already decided what he's going to get, so this is purely discussion for general elucidation.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 01:31PM
I was initially going to run K-sport. They are $1500 for all four corners but after reading and talking to others, they just don't hold up as well during stage rallies as they are more tailored toward rally cross. So essentially it would put me in the same position as the HDs which is why I am opting to spend more initially and have a well reputed suspension from the get go. Plus moar drooooop winking smiley



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 02:00PM
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Yeah brilliant. spend $700 or 900 om something you know going in ill bend and bottom and cause problems and in short order due to frequent replacement of the inadequate things, end of matching the price of good suspension...

Wise use of limited funds..

Frick tell us right now ho much travel the BMW off the shelf HDs have.

And what I get curious about is why you get some stuff for your on car for several thousand bucks and that's hunky dory but a guy should get something that e know is not strong enough and absurdly short on travel even for 30 years ago.

The guy has already decided what he's going to get, so this is purely discussion for general elucidation.

Hey John,

Actually my suggestion was to buy used Bilstien HDs which as of last year I was able to get a set for my E36 for about $250. As I thought the original goal was to get on stage as cheaply as possible. Garrett has since revised that goal, so then building with JVABs is a much better choice.

If you want to use me as an example then OK, I upgraded my first rally car to Bilstien HDs after 3 rallies because I thought the boge pro-gas street shocks that came with it were getting tired and I had some extra funds kicking around. None of them bent or failed.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 02:49PM
New regular ones are like 350 for all four.
Reiger has two options. Club set at around $4k, and regulars at 6.5k or so.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 06:45PM
Found a new two piece top mount on the car today.
210k, 22 hours of track. Two hill climbs and the big jump finally did it in.



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 22, 2016 08:18PM
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New regular ones are like 350 for all four.


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Reiger has two options. Club set at around $4k, and regulars at 6.5k or so.

Assuming you are off by the same sort of % as the above estimate, that sounds just a tad out of the guys range...especially for a complete beginner in essentially a bone stock car..

Great advice.eye rolling smiley



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Re: E36 M42 Build
April 23, 2016 08:05AM
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New regular ones are like 350 for all four.
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Reiger has two options. Club set at around $4k, and regulars at 6.5k or so.

Assuming you are off by the same sort of % as the above estimate, that sounds just a tad out of the guys range...especially for a complete beginner in essentially a bone stock car..

Great advice.eye rolling smiley

That's funny, your let me google that for you returns no results.

I said regular, not HD.
http://www.amazon.com/Bilstein-22-044204-Replacement-Suspension-Assembly/dp/B009FU4MDM
If you're going to run cheap stuff, make sure it's cheap.
http://www.amazon.com/Bilstein-24-020275-B8-Shock-Absorber/dp/B009FU4WQO?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
If you have Prime and get free shipping, you are at $300. $350 must have stuck in my memory as our wholesale cost, $300 from internet WalMart.

I wasn't advising Reiger's, just letting him know they're out there.



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