NoCoast Grant Hughes Mega Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Dear Robert.
Let me use my memory here... Engine was used of unknown condition. Six events, around 2500 miles of race and testing. Multiple events with very very high temps until Idaho when hood was removed. Engine that doesn't belong in a backhoe. Sound about right? Lest us not forget Idaho was won overall by a nearly stock BMW M3 also. Grant Hughes |
wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Mega Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
If you were, according to Jari, the GTO is an evolution of the Opel Manta/Ascona 400. Could be a lot of fun, plus, of course, the whole Australian V8 Mad Max thing. "Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne "Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain |
modernbeat Jason McDaniel Elite Moderator Location: Dallas, TX Join Date: 12/14/2007 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 401 Rally Car: 1963 SAAB Historic, 1995 Impreza Open Light totaled at WRC Mexico, 2005 STi Pikes Peak winner |
An S197 -could- be a good choice. We've race prepped quite a few. Typical weight for a stripped car with a cage, two seats, stock exhaust, racing suspension tires and wheels, stock huge brakes and updated cooling turns out to be a little more than 3350. Skid plates will add some more weight, as will a spare tire and tools.
The suspension is fairly strong. The tub is incredibly strong and stiff. The later engines are very good (Coyote V8 and 300-ish hp V6), the transmisisons are horrible but fixes exist. The rear end is an 8.8 with all the differentials available for it. There is already a huge aftermarket for it, so arms, bushings, and suspension is available. Though rally suspension isn't an off-the-shelf item. Weak points are going to be the huge amount of electrical integration and potentially the electric steering rack on the later cars. But is it better than other options? Maybe. Maybe it's easier to start with. And easier to keep going. But it won't be easier to keep the electrics repaired, even if the chassis is stout. Swapping the entire wiring harness out for a racing harness with standalone engine support would be the right way to go, but that just adds to the work of prepping the car. Jason McDaniel |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Used engine just dropped in? No tear down for look-see? 2500 miles? a couple of thousand test miles? Then why did the trans break 2x? Why the chronic overheating? Grant, you must know the answers..You're the man. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
NONACK Chris Nonack Ultra Moderator Location: Quakertown PA Join Date: 03/27/2015 Age: Settling Down Posts: 25 Rally Car: 1985 XR4Ti |
Thanks for the shared first hand experience, Jason! I'm assuming you work at Vorshlag, I visited last time I was in Dallas for work and saw some cool cars but didn't get to meet people. Maybe I'll file this one under "if a car happens to fall into my lap" rather than something to actively pursue.
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wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Mega Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
http://web.archive.org/web/20061222221935/http://www.fordracingparts.com/mustang/specifications.asp
"Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne "Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain |
mhooper Michael Hooper Super Moderator Location: Georgia Join Date: 09/08/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 65 Rally Car: ae86/gone |
Just reallized Ive seen newer mustang on stage... Ojibwe Max attack video had mustang and I think Lauchlin battling it out... can't remember driver in mustang but it was definately a name I recognized at the time... Red car... Dangit what his name...
I think the most expensive thing bout running a car like that is tires... Yes power is good and easily makes up for weight on paper... but its gonna take a lot of tires to make that equation work. |
wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Mega Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
https://vimeo.com/7443390
"Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne "Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Mega Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
This comes to mind from another thread, one that the subject had veered off onto wood bikes.
Interesting comments all the way from OZ, a country not noted for the most searing intellectural exxtremes but rather more "just ordinary dumb excesses" https://transmoto.com.au/rider-feedback-450exc-vs-wr450f/ It says right in the intro:
Australians may be somewhere between a bunch of Texans and a buncha lager-louts, but there SEEMS to be more physicality there and thus a bit of sense... North America on the other hand-----:690-900cc....(shakes head)... So the analogous thing "while most of the word seems to have heaps of fun in 2 liter or 2,3 liter cars and many go fast enough to makes of squeal like schoolgirls, cars 880-1100 kg... even in fast wide countries like Finland.... I reckon I'll look into a 1500 kg car with a big V6...." Funny thing is when some salty ol sea dog was lecturing us on why the use Volvos in Sweden and some in Finland and Norway and he said "Because that's what they have there!" making clear he believed there were no Mustangs.. Click klack search and that day in Sweden at first search there were 156 Mustangs of all models.. They have them but nobody uses them.. Why? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yes won some overall.. And did waaaaaaaaay mid-pack on others. The ones with turns. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
modernbeat Jason McDaniel Elite Moderator Location: Dallas, TX Join Date: 12/14/2007 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 401 Rally Car: 1963 SAAB Historic, 1995 Impreza Open Light totaled at WRC Mexico, 2005 STi Pikes Peak winner |
Yes, I'm a lead there. I do the lion's share of the design work. We don't get to do much rally stuff. Not enough call for it in Texas. But I have done work on rally cars, and lots and lots of S197 Mustangs. Jason McDaniel |
ElectroTech Steve Wheeler Ultra Moderator Location: Fork Lake, Alberta Join Date: 06/09/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 336 Rally Car: 1992 Golf |
I see other big roadblocks. What are you going to do about brakes? Even the V6 have to run 17" wheels, it's an 11.5" disk but the calipers are huge. Some potential for weight reduction on both ends in that respect. Sway bars are massive, hood is ridiculous. All the crap that makes the 60/40 split rear work and the associated bracing under the seats. AC stuff falling off, the damn plenum/controls/fan/condenser weigh a ton. Now find one with a blown motor, put in a 4cyl turbo and a better spaced gearbox.
Power means nothing if you cannot control it! |