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Re: EP3??
May 17, 2010 02:25PM
Thanks for the input....
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Re: EP3??
May 17, 2010 05:38PM
Cosworth Wrote:
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> urr Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I got the first shell into the shop last
> night and
> > up in the air. Started stripping out some of
> the
> > interior crap etc.
> >
> > A couple comments:
> >
> > I like the floor pan on this thing! It's
> > completely flat, which should make sorting
> out the
> > seats and other interior bits easy.
> >
> > Rear shocks are super short (as mentioned
> above).
> > It looks like you could throw some rear
> turrets in
> > there to get a longer shock but I wonder how
> long
> > you can go before the wheel arch is the
> limiting
> > factor. Not sure I want to "tub" the rear
> end.
> >
> > Steering is funky. The rack mounted high up
> on
> > the firewall, which requires a large opening
> in
> > each fender well. I can picture debri and
> mud
> > coming through there. Maybe a custom
> neoprean
> > boot could seal it off.
>
> My experience is from the DC5 chassis which is the
> same crap as the EP3 but just with a nicer looking
> body.
>
> The steering opening wont let any more mud than
> what it comes in through the sides of the skid
> plate.
>
> On the rear suspension getting more travel wont be
> a good idea because the amount of toe change with
> travel is only going to make the car act
> radically.
>
> You also need to reinforce the attachment points
> of the lower control arms. Those holes start to
> ovalize and it will make it a nice rear steer
> machine.
>
> Also, add stiff motor mounts or the on/off throtle
> will make the intake eventually contact the
> radiator expansion tank and you'll start getting
> coolant on the windshield on stage.
>
> Also the front and rear bumper attachments suck
> cock, it will snap off every stage until you sort
> out new side fastners.


Sounds like a good case for a 240 Volvo!



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Re: EP3??
May 17, 2010 10:14PM
Andrew, what happened to the Evo?




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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 12:30PM
It's sitting at the shop with the cage tacked into place waiting for the welder to finish it up.



The subie is finally off to the frame shop this week to get pulled before I start surgery on it.

Between work, school and the house it's tough to keep up with all of the projects. It doesn't stop me from trying though....

Andrew



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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 12:33PM
Cossie - Is the front guts of an RSX the same as the EP3? I ask because it may make economical sense to pick up a wrekced type-s since if i can use the entire front subframe, contol arms, hubs, motor/tranny etc.

Andrew
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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 12:45PM
urr Wrote:
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> Cossie - Is the front guts of an RSX the same as
> the EP3? I ask because it may make economical
> sense to pick up a wrekced type-s since if i can
> use the entire front subframe, contol arms, hubs,
> motor/tranny etc.
>
> Andrew

Yeah man its all the same and will all bolt up, and with the type-s you get a 6spd and 40 more horsepower. All you have to do is get a Kpro to re-map the ECU for the new engine and deactivate the immobilizer.

The only difference is that the type-s uses the bigger 36mm hubs vs the 32mm in the EP3 so with new hubs you need to get new axles as well.
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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 01:54PM
Weren't you building a corolla rally car?



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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 04:26PM
yeah...that's why I was thinking of just picking up a whole type-s....strip what i need and sell the carcass off to the honda vulchurs….
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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 04:28PM
The one that got away! I had a corolla shell that I was playing with but ran out of space at my old place and had to let it go. Traded is for some evo x control arms.
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Re: EP3??
May 18, 2010 11:14PM
Hell ya honda would kill they make eg hondas with struts up front!!!!!

id go with a 93 civic sedan it has 3 more inch's of wheel base. over the hatch.

and i would do all the links with himes and 4130 for cheap to have the jigs on file.

with the older hondas you can save alot of cash and build a ground up honda for cheap.


you could have spare parts for days with that car.



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Re: EP3??
May 19, 2010 07:24AM
SteelSolutions Wrote:
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> Hell ya honda would kill they make eg hondas with
> struts up front!!!!!
>
> id go with a 93 civic sedan it has 3 more inch's
> of wheel base. over the hatch.
>
> and i would do all the links with himes and 4130
> for cheap to have the jigs on file.
>
> with the older hondas you can save alot of cash
> and build a ground up honda for cheap.
>
>
> you could have spare parts for days with that car.
>
> http://www.tssfab.us/ eBay Store
>

Do you have anything Heim'd for those hondas? I'm building an EG right now with an RSX motor, dogbox, forged 4 pot/2 pot calipers, floor pedal box, DMS dampers, etc, etc, and the suspension links are the one thing I havent figured out what to do.
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Re: EP3??
May 19, 2010 10:16AM
The only stuff I see that would benefit going tubular is the rear lower control arm. Could swap the rear camber/toe links as well for a heim link to get rid of the rubber.

In front, there's not much... maybe make a tubular upper control arm with Heim's at the base or even a tubular lower control arm? But I'd rather just plate OEM stuff on upper/lower or plate a skunk2 upper to get adjustable camber.

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Re: EP3??
May 19, 2010 11:26AM
Cosworth Wrote:
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> SteelSolutions Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hell ya honda would kill they make eg hondas
> with
> > struts up front!!!!!
> >
> > id go with a 93 civic sedan it has 3 more
> inch's
> > of wheel base. over the hatch.
> >
> > and i would do all the links with himes and
> 4130
> > for cheap to have the jigs on file.
> >
> > with the older hondas you can save alot of
> cash
> > and build a ground up honda for cheap.
> >
> >
> > you could have spare parts for days with that
> car.
> >
> > eBay Store
> >
>
> Do you have anything Heim'd for those hondas? I'm
> building an EG right now with an RSX motor,
> dogbox, forged 4 pot/2 pot calipers, floor pedal
> box, DMS dampers, etc, etc, and the suspension
> links are the one thing I havent figured out what
> to do.
>


Paulino, No1: send samoples to him or to me--we loosely working together.
We intend to try to have stuff with LHD/RHD sleev so you need not pull the inner pivot bolt to twirl the ends.
But that means machining up some adjuster deals and we've been trying to farm out that specific part---and same time make one we can use on warmed over Golves so the can get some strength, Subies just cause there's millions of them and of course on the nicer cars like Xratties and Volvos 240s that all the cool kids are driving....

So send samples---MARK THEM WITH A PAINT PENCIL!!!!, then when the samples are here call him or me.

I tell you Paul, he's itching to see a well done Honda...

What suspension is the "EG"---that's something you gotta watch though---using those "EG" EK bullshit when we know them as "93 Civic"---using?



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Re: EP3??
May 19, 2010 01:12PM
EG = 1992-1995 which shares suspension with 1994-2001 Integra
EK = 1996-2000
EP = 2002-2005

The EG, Ek and EP are chassis codes for the hatchbacks but people throw them around to describe the generation.

Both the EG/EK are dual wishbone setups. EP has the struts in front.



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Re: EP3??
May 19, 2010 08:36PM
ya well I would need samples and see how complicated it would be. and what approach,
and please not camber plates there a joke, they take about 4 times the movement to
make any differences that adjustable arms and you get bomb proof components. weld up
a top mount place with a huge bearing cup there dirt cheep.



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