Quaife close ratio dogbox

Lets say you were about to buy an AWD, rally prepped Ford. Lets say it comes with a "Gr-N Osborne box, it's syncro'd with std ratios (GR-N) with uprated heavy duty gears." Let's also say for extra cash you could also buy a Quaife. "This box is completely new inside, front to back, and never used. It's upgraded with the latest bearings, shafts and 6 dog gears. The old ones were 3 dog and did'nt last as long. It has the upgraded center viscous diff for rallying. That price is what I paid to have it rebuilt, no mark up."

The quaife will end up being 2/3's as much as the the car. (car still needs an engine - 16v 2.0). Would a person be completely crazy to not get the quaife even if it's going to be a stretch in money, or could ya live without it? Have no doubt that it would be really nice, but could a guy live without it?


I figured JohnV would have some opinions on this.

thanks

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Mike Hymbaugh
"Converted" drag racer
Castle Rock, CO
http://www.four-banger.net/first.html

Sure I have opinions.
I don't believe we need dogboxes, but many WANT them.
Do you want it bad enough??

I know several gear manufacturers, one of them who won BTRDA Gold Star series in 4wd Fords several times, who say they don't like the tooth profile of Quaiffe gears.
My soluton was to buy spare standard road car boxes. Last one was about USD 125.

The Cossie motor both stockish at 225 and chipped to 330 (the limit of the standard MT75 4x4 box for gravel) works fantastic with the standard box ratios and 3.64 or 3.9 axles. The motor revs good and the boost is in so soon and the thingsrev so nice you really don't NEED the closer ratios of a real CR box, and going to 4.4 with stock ratios is silly.

You're obvisously looking to get Mike Whitmans Sapphire. If you ask nicely I'll GIVE you a LHD firewall, OK?
You WILL tire of the rhd thing.

You should take the rear covers off some of the diffs and take photos and send them to help indenify what Mike actually has. Look for the stamped in marks.
That is one area which never seemed to get straightened out.

I started building a motor for THAT car already Mike.
I have the block ready to get cleaned and surfaced,the rods are by the door waiting to get rebuilt, a fresh ground crank and bearings is already done, the head (at nearly full thickness) is just awaiting exhaust valves and reasssembly, Flywheel is surfaced, water pump and oil pump is here.
Choice of exhuast manifolds--2wd or 4wd.
4wd sump are waiting..
Have stock "US 85" chips and 330 bhp Ahmed Bayjoo chips.
And turbo or turbine housings are on the shelf.

Only thing missing to covert the car is a LHD power 4x4 rack, and I can get that.

Get that car.
And call with a pen and paper handy.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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Thanks man!!! I knew you'd be a big help. I have mean meaning to return you call ut have been in and out of town a lot and then I started looking at this car, sot he parts I need is probably going to change a little depending n what is coming with the car. Yes, it's Mike's car. He's got a ton (or a couple tons) of spares that go with it along with some high dollar stuff that doesn't.


It will be getting a Pectel T6 I have had for a while. Before anyone thinks I have an endless supply of money, it came out of a Toyota Atlantic series car. they get "refurbed" by Pectel. Though I might just leave what he has in it for now and maybe look at the chips you have, depending on what he has in the car. Oh yeah, guess he did tell me.

"It's the P-8 with a Turbosystems chip that has anti-lag and makes about 330hp. The P-8 was the Escort sys with much more memory and greater capability than the L-6 that the Sierra came with stock. It was very good and you can update the chip for whatever you want."


We will defiantely have to talk! Might have to make a trip up your way.

thanks!
mike

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Mike Hymbaugh
"Converted" drag racer
Castle Rock, CO
http://www.four-banger.net/first.html

No problems Mike, bring a Sawz-all and and some beer and we can go finish cutting up the fire-wall donor and you can haul the motor back at the same time.

You know when we were burning the chips, Kevin Hawkinson had the monitor on and was looking at all this wierd hexi-decimal wierd shit and scrolled up till the shit was all jibberish and on the "L6" and "L8" ECUs we looked at only about 1/5 of the "capacity" was used, the rest was jibberish they put in to cornfuse people trying to break in.

So I asked Ahmed the next time I called is there was any really truely insurmountable advantage in the P8 system: "No", and then I asked "can you do everything with L8 as you can with the hotsie totsie P8?" his answer "Yeah, everything---launch control, anti-lag, wash your clothes, everything"

But newer is always better, right? It has to be better--it just has to!!!!!

Now Mike a long time ago I said to Mike that we would be smart to not try to get fancy, we're both really dinosaurs (well my wife says I sometimes sound grouchy so I'm a combo grouch and dino so I'm a "Grinosaur" so if we get fancy we're garanteed to have woes and travails. I suggested we build essentially good solid safe street motors and chip them to what was safe for the boxes, and just fuckin floor the gas.
You know Mike went to his old engine builder in LA and they spent over a year and some and over 20,000 bucks to rebuild his un-blowed up motor and insatll some fancy managementAND THE CAR RAN LIKE OF PIECE OF SHIT, THEN BLEW UP.

Mine ran like a fuckin clock, and cost less than a fifth of that.

I'll suggest this here: the idea of these cars and the YB motor is that it SHOULD be simple enough and reliable enough to just build it, NOT DEVELOP it.
It's more costly and the results are just not enough to justify the effort and cost.

I'm going to drop the rods off today, maybe the block, too and get going on those.
It's a 205 2wd block but don't worry, they're good to anything we can do with the 34mm restrictors.

GO GET THAT THING!!

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.