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RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution

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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 26, 2011 10:50AM
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What's wrong with a 5 linked solid axle? Cheap and easy, well proven and works great in rally. 8" Toyota units are cheap and so are gears and diffs. Why make things harder on yourself getting all fancy with a multi-link IRS that doesn't really offer the best geometry and travel for rallying? Plus more failure points. Just sayin', K.I.S.S.

I know but I can make a near bolt in set up there is no room
for a beam axle to go up and then you would have to fab
link box or some really funking trailing arm off the original mounts.

I have no beef with a beefie beam axle. I plan on having a toyota
axle in my capri.

Excuses, excuses. I thought you were a fabricator! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Think how many parts I would sell if I told every Subaru guy they have to
disturb the metal on there car.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 27, 2011 10:37PM
not the greatest shots but there is the air box it look like I might have an idea but we will see.
about using the ac for heat and cut the bottom of the box off.






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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 28, 2011 01:46PM
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What's wrong with a 5 linked solid axle? Cheap and easy, well proven and works great in rally. 8" Toyota units are cheap and so are gears and diffs. Why make things harder on yourself getting all fancy with a multi-link IRS that doesn't really offer the best geometry and travel for rallying? Plus more failure points. Just sayin', K.I.S.S.

I know but I can make a near bolt in set up there is no room
for a beam axle to go up and then you would have to fab
link box or some really funking trailing arm off the original mounts.

I have no beef with a beefie beam axle. I plan on having a toyota
axle in my capri.

Excuses, excuses. I thought you were a fabricator! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Think how many parts I would sell if I told every Subaru guy they have to
disturb the metal on there car.

Having spent a good bit of time under the focus it looks like there is room for a live axle with a nice 4 link + Panhard bar setup. You could base the 4 link boxes off of the stock trailing arm locations.

Since there is already going to be fair bit of metal moving to make room for the engine and transmission. My guess is the front suspension will need to some fabrication as well. Why not the rear?

On the heater core. How much clearance do you need, You can remove most of the lower potions of the box if you give up the sections that route heat onto the passenger and drivers feet. Another option would be to just use the Mohave heater that Flex-a-lite. Seems like a good unit that would work well in your application.

Andrew
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 28, 2011 02:00PM
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On the heater core. How much clearance do you need, You can remove most of the lower potions of the box if you give up the sections that route heat onto the passenger and drivers feet. Another option would be to just use the Mohave heater that Flex-a-lite. Seems like a good unit that would work well in your application.

Andrew

He could section the heater in his '74 Capri too, probably smaller if he does that...



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 29, 2011 12:16PM
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What's wrong with a 5 linked solid axle? Cheap and easy, well proven and works great in rally. 8" Toyota units are cheap and so are gears and diffs. Why make things harder on yourself getting all fancy with a multi-link IRS that doesn't really offer the best geometry and travel for rallying? Plus more failure points. Just sayin', K.I.S.S.

I know but I can make a near bolt in set up there is no room
for a beam axle to go up and then you would have to fab
link box or some really funking trailing arm off the original mounts.

I have no beef with a beefie beam axle. I plan on having a toyota
axle in my capri.

Excuses, excuses. I thought you were a fabricator! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Think how many parts I would sell if I told every Subaru guy they have to
disturb the metal on there car.

Having spent a good bit of time under the focus it looks like there is room for a live axle with a nice 4 link + Panhard bar setup. You could base the 4 link boxes off of the stock trailing arm locations.

Since there is already going to be fair bit of metal moving to make room for the engine and transmission. My guess is the front suspension will need to some fabrication as well. Why not the rear?

On the heater core. How much clearance do you need, You can remove most of the lower potions of the box if you give up the sections that route heat onto the passenger and drivers feet. Another option would be to just use the Mohave heater that Flex-a-lite. Seems like a good unit that would work well in your application.

Andrew

I don't see the point, With solid axle you would have to do link box's
there is room but they would still have to be totally cut and sectioned
in to the car. and more cutting to get the axle to swing up and down.
along with the towers and wheel well.

for irs all you need is cut the rear tire well and cut two shock towers
and bolt it all in.

there will only be one cut for the front a tunnel custom frame and
custom arms. and for now weld in engine mounts.

This has to be easy and do able for low to moderate levels of fabrication
experience

The heater core is going to be a road block you cant take the bottom out
that is your heat, can cap the bottom and use the ac for heat but
that only gains an inch or so. I think its going to be one part that
I will have to make, thinking thin steel and water valve.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 29, 2011 01:29PM
Aftermarket heaters?
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 29, 2011 01:47PM
Are all Focus heater boxes the same?

Possibly a non-AC version that is smaller?

Or maybe something out of a different car? If it's a common shitbox, then it shouldn't be too hard for customers to find.

On my car I had to ditch the fan assembly and replace it with a marine blower motor. But I'm hooking that to the stock heater core...which seems to be your problem. sad smiley
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 29, 2011 02:24PM
Just use a HeaterCraft box from Summit...so much simpler. Mount it so you can take it out easily for warm weather events.

Andrew
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 29, 2011 02:39PM
I can make a box and use the stock fan and ducting. I will put the tunnel in
first and then see what to do about the heater. I don't know how many
cars came with out ac both of these do and they are lower than base models!
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 30, 2011 12:16AM
The heater is super important for the Alcan Winter Rally!



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
June 30, 2011 10:08AM
I think I can build a box that holds the heater core and gos right from the stock fan
to the defroster and vents and JVL was talking about vw or other water valve
to run cold air. It does not look to hard to do.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
July 02, 2011 02:39AM
More bad photos But just pulling the tank and heat junk, and cutting the wheel well.
There is a football field under there and there will be tons of room for suspension and
diff I am going to go with the ford Exploder diff because I can get 5.13 and limited slip for cheap
and save my supra diff for my wrx.



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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
July 02, 2011 08:51AM
Us salt belters only DREAM of having shells that clean!
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
July 02, 2011 12:36PM
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Us salt belters only DREAM of having shells that clean!

haha ya you could eat off of it. It is only 12000 miles that would help.

there is so little rubber coating you can have this car stitched in a
few hrs.
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Re: RSF2000 Rally Sport Focus! RWD Revolution
July 02, 2011 10:12PM
hear is the front knuckle I am thinking about using it is out of a new Malibu. It comes with 1.25
by 11 7/8 rotor and its aluminum with a removable bearing hub. The hub is 5 on 4.5 and its the
same spline as the rear hubs I want to use that I posted earlier.






The two cvs are explorer and intrepid I plan on making my own cv shaft and use intrepid outers.



Hear is some playing with the rear diff I think with some work I can make it a no wheel well
cut fit. The only thing is the diff would be 3 inches north of the rear hub, but the short trailing
arm would keep it with in manageable. This is going to be something I would want to try latter.
There is also photos of the diff in center and it will be perfect. I will be moving the diff over
to keep the drive line right down the pipe. For the drive line I think I will get the rock crawling
yokes they are made to fit a 1.5 tube and use 120 wall 4130 for the drive line.







The hole is for a fuel pump we cut a hole in focus's to turn a 3 hr job in to a 30 min and slap
a little carbon fiber cover over it. Also with the diff in there I think I can make a gas tank that
saddles the drive line like a subaru and would hold tons of gas and would not take up room in the car.

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