Bilstein 46 mm Universal Rally Shocks

If you are in America there will likely be better options for the money.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2012 01:45AM by lukethedork.

Sounds like MCA...
http://www.mcasuspension.com/

I've sent people their tech pdfs before in past but as is so typical in motorsports, lots of pretty pictures but limited info on actual applications or pricing.

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Grant Hughes

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Given the same wall thickness a larger piston will require a larger OD tube. More surface area dissipates more heat.

They are made by one of the Australian Rally Champions, who now makes dampers for a number of successful rally cars in the Asia Pacific region.

50mm piston
approx 55mm OD insert
3 way adjustable
soon to be double piston

That's nice. But i saw nothing about price, and in their service intructions there's a nice piccie showing the bottom of their "Gold" series.the shaft sticks out the center so naturally theres half the tube on one side of the center---and usually half the diameter on the other half---if we mangaed toi drill the hole in the middle.
The piccie shows a 19mm nut being loosened..
Have a look and you'll see that the radius is just a bit bigger than twice the nut----looks around 50mm or so.
A 50mm insert ----like I have supplied 50 Bilsteins to guys---I make good suspension----has a tube OD of 62mm, and i use M62 x 2 thread, miraculously enough same as the other Oztrailian made stuff "PMS or DMS"
and same as what Bilstein USA has been having such trouble producing---so I've been told....

Now a 19mm nut would be about 1/3 of the diamter of a 62mm tube.

And even being old and crippled---my knees are grey, my eyes are bent---- I can see the difference tween sumpin thats about 1/2 and about 1/3..

So what is their stuff really since there is such a complete absence of info on their site?

And yeah yeah more area...
And larger diameter is more resistant to bending loads quite drastically..

But it weighs....

In all honesty most people here are nowhere near needing mostrously huge---and who knows what cost, what support--if any----stuff from so far away..
DMS was appealingly poor customer support, atrocious to the point of stupifyingly, arrogantly bad.

People have siad the RSSPSSVPSS, while beautiful stuff are hideously over priced and near non-exsistent support to the poor US importer.

Karl Jardevall said he waited 7 months for simple service for his Proflex things...

People are wary.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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That's what I figured. Your Aussie 50mm stuff doesn't really have 50mm pistons. It's got a 50mm insert, just like the Bilsteins that aren't good enough for you.

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Jason McDaniel

Grant, pricing depends on what you want exactly. A lot of the stuff he does is one off. Materials constantly change price as well.

John. The dampers in those pictures are very likely 50mm OD. I stated that mine are 55mm OD.
Depending in the vehicle and usage he will make a size to suit

I won't comment on DMS.



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Jason this is why I didn't post the business name originally. I don't want to come across as promoting his stuff, and I knew people would make idiotic comments like you just have

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Jason this is why I didn't post the business name originally. I don't want to come across as promoting his stuff, and I knew people would make idiotic comments like you just have

Hey Fred, no reason to come here, post some rather vague stuff and a link with more vague stuff and when you've said they're 55mm" and we see what looks like a 50mm strut tube---which means who knows? 40? 44mm? insert

we ask questions..and you say "idiotic comments"..

The guy you are talking with is no fool, and being a Texan, he's your spiritual brethren...straight talking..

I imagine the guy does make some nice stuff, but people want info---everybody in America is an expert on all things automotive so they want all the info. like weight, thread pitch, TYPICAL or AVERAGE rally struts for some car we have in common say some of those poxy Blue things..

Come on, and mellow out..

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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He basically called me a liar saying my 50mm stuff doesn't have a 50mm piston. with out knowing any fact s that was idiotic of him.

I was perfectly fine until then

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He basically called me a liar saying my 50mm stuff doesn't have a 50mm piston. with out knowing any fact s that was idiotic of him.

I was perfectly fine until then

Fuck.
You were claiming/saying/blabbing 55!!!! and 50 piston!!!!!!! so fucking big..
Whoooppie..
If he wanted to call you a liar, he's a big boy, don't worry, he would have.

You coming here and calling people idiotic, when you post crap links lacking a single fucking dimension is what we call LAME....

Relax.

Now you've been asked about this stuff YOU BROUGHT UP like typical prices, weight---etc.

Rather than calling people we respect idiotic, how about you post soemthing useful instead of whaaaaaaa! he basically called me a liar."

He didn't. He followed the link you provided and looked at what was there---which was obviously not a 50 insert's tube.
And he said it.

Got more info? Piccies of the big manly 55mm stuff/ data? Post it.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
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is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

I see now why this site remains such a small community. I have no interest in being here.

Bye.

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I see now why this site remains such a small community. I have no interest in being here.

Bye.

Because we ask details?

Or because we maybe are just a little maybe Wot da fawk when some unknown guy comes on some thread about Bilstein 50mm stuff, posts some garbage and when questions starts calling people's comments idiotic?

Well if you get your feeling hurt from that , fine. Bye.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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All you had to do was say I was incorrect and that what was pictured was not what you had. Lots of people don't realize the 46mm/50mm difference and the forums and some companies marketing doesn't help it. And companies like Bilstein get a black eye from it because they size their stuff by the dimension that really matters for performance - the diameter of the piston.

I do big stuff too. 56mm pistons in a 60mm insert. But I just do the fitments and lower housings when AST or Moton doesn't make it.

But here's a photo that shows 41mm and 46mm pistons in 45 and 50mm inserts.





And a set of the 60mm for an EVO. These require 90mm springs. That's 90mm inside diameter.

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Jason McDaniel



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Or maybe instead of all the "your comments are idiotic and I hate everybody whaaaaaaaaaaaaa! whaa!"
just a quick cut and paste instead of a useless link.
1 second "cut", one second "Paste"

OOooooh sooooo much work.

No far better to yell and waste time defending and acting hard ass.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Proflex is a "55mm" unit according to their site, I think RSSP is around there too... but seriously, what's a few mm between friends?

Actually a few mm in diameter is a LOT more area on the piston, circumference (length) of the seals, and volume of oil. It adds a large amount of weight and while club level rally guys aren't that sensitive to strut weight, a lot of the road racers I work with are very sensitive to the weight and drag larger and inverted struts add to their cars.

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Jason McDaniel