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FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)

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FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 10, 2012 01:01AM
So, I've been going over the rules again and again trying to wrap my head around them...

Basically, as far as I can tell, the FIA essentially forces you to bolt a seat (in this case, sparco) using the manufacturer supplied "seat supports" to the floor with minimum 3mm thick steel on both sides of the unibody.

The reason I say "force" is because (again, as far as I can tell), it is illegal to make brackets to adapt the sparco "seat supports" to the OEM floor mounts.

Do I have this correct? I don't want to send my fabricator on a wild goose chase, especially after my own dismal attempts at doing this myself! Bolting the seat to the floor is fine on the co-driver side, but Talon's don't really play nice on the driver's side. I was hoping to use the sparco "seat supports", and make an adapter to bolt it into the OEM floor mounts.

If I can't do this and I chop the oem floor mounts out, how am I supposed to raise the seat to the height I need it to be if I can only use the sparco "seat supports"? I think I am missing something blatantly obvious. The ideal situation would be that I am allowed to chop out the oem mounts, and weld in square tubing to mount the sparco "seat supports" to, but I just don't think that's going to happen from the way I am interpreting the rules.
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 10, 2012 09:22AM
I can't answer for cars, but in the US, that would be fine. Our Tech Gene suggested 3/16 flat bar welded across the floor from the sill to the tunnel, and that is what I did in the last Merkur, and what I will do again.
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 10, 2012 10:14AM
You can mount seats to the original mounting holes, or mounting homolgated by the car manufacturer or to the universal tunnel system.

Allowances are made due to physiacl constraints i.e the tunnel not being perpendicular on the inside. You need to contact whomever is scrutineer up there and discuss this with him. No one elses opinion matters.
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 10, 2012 11:36AM
Hey Gene,

Yes, I figured that much winking smiley However, I was missing some critical information last night when I posted this.



This makes sooooooo much more sense! And should be relatively easy for the fabricator to do *cross fingers*
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 10, 2012 12:05PM
Yup,
didn't seem so bad to me.
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 02:57PM
Their diagram kinda sucked. I was trying to think of how to explain what I was thinking for easiest way to implement this. Here's my effort.
Should have Subaru GC mounts available for sale by end of month.



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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 03:20PM
Hey Grant, yes, that is EXACTLY what we came up with.

The dude who is doing it makes beautiful work, but he is used to mounting seats in drag cars so I paid pretty steeply for his work as this was his first FIA install. Oh well!
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 04:12PM
So.. if one wanted to be lazy and do just like that picture with the square tubing.. Where would one find those M8 inserts in the states?



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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 05:37PM
One other potential thing that MIGHT be possible in some cars would be to have 3 or four weld nuts on the lower bracket allowing a seat to be moved further forwards and backwards by moving the supports forwards or backwards as well.



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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 05:40PM
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So.. if one wanted to be lazy and do just like that picture with the square tubing.. Where would one find those M8 inserts in the states?
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 05:42PM
Thanks.. I feel 10-12 of those in my future. You know if I just order 8 I'll F at least one of them up. Order 2 extra and everything will go fine smiling smiley



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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 12, 2012 06:00PM
This is probably better-er. Plenty of peeps doing this now, sell off the extra and you'll be fabulously wealthy!
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 13, 2012 07:26AM
So are the weld nuts John posted legal? The drawing seems to indicate that the weld nuts pass through the entire tube?

I have some of the McMaster Carr ones that are really nice but they seem kinda short.
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 13, 2012 08:43AM
I don't think they would be FIA legal. They'd be fine for RA.

For my rails, Bushore just bought some 3/4" rod, cut it to length, then drilled and tapped it on the lathe.

And definitely get extras. He built mine, then when we put the seat on it with the steering wheel, it was 2" off center. Had to make a second set of inserts and weld them in.
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Re: FIA Approved Seat Mounting Options (CARS)
January 13, 2012 10:00AM
Weld nuts are just that, weld nuts. The pics actually show a conventional nut welded to the back of a plate. We call that a captive nut over here. The other picture of the 8mm tube going thru the mounting square tube or round is just to keep it from collapsing when a conventional nut and bolt are used to mount the actual seat.

You can weld a nut on the back of a plate, drill the body large enough to allow the nut and weld to sit into it and then weld the plate to the body.
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