BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
What's up folks.
So, For my next trick, I am going to be trying to get this trans, A Chevy T5 PN 1352-166 into my Volvo. I've got all the big stuff, JV helped set me up with the adapters. I just have a question about some of the little things, And I was hoping that someone here would have an answer. I haven't gotten a solid answer as to what clutch fork people have used in the past to make this combo work. Does anyone here have any ideas on where I can get one that works out, or if a custom one has to be fashioned? All I have found was some mention of a 'Toyota truck' fork. Thanks. Rob R. Enablers, All of you. |
coryg57 Cory Grunwald Super Moderator Location: Puyallup, WA Join Date: 11/17/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 53 |
Hey. I just finished my swap up using the T5 from a V6 camaro. I can write up some of the stuff I did, but it will have to be after Oregon Trail. Packing and prepping for now. I used the Volvo M46 clutch fork here:
With some spacers to fill in the gab on the throw out bearing from here: http://www.kaplhenke.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=32 I had to grind the spacers so they were the right size to fit in my bearing. |
BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
I was eyeballing those spacers, but seeing how they are listed as the ford model, I figured they were a no-go.
Glad to see they can be made to work A write up would be greatly appreciated. I am still in need of the clutch disc and the yoke and then i have to graft it to the volvo, so I can wait. Quick question: with that set up, what TOB and disc did you use? Enablers, All of you. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/01/2013 12:03AM by BobOfTheFuture. |
coryg57 Cory Grunwald Super Moderator Location: Puyallup, WA Join Date: 11/17/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 53 |
What are your plans for a clutch disk? I got a custom stage 1 spec clutch that was sized for the volvo flywheel but had the inner spline to fit my t5. That worked great. It was a hair thicker so I had to use some washers I got from JVAB when bolting on the pressure plate. I can't remember what they are called. You can ask JVAB about them though.
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BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
Well, I had talked to JV about this a while back.
I think what I can gather from my crappy notes was that I was going to use a stock disc (I believe the splines are the same) And per my notes: "PP typ 228" I sort of remember that this was maybe.. a Saab part? Damn my crappy notes. I'll have to call him. What throw out are you using? Enablers, All of you. |
fidel lawrence knox Elite Moderator Location: RVA richmond va Join Date: 03/11/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 61 Rally Car: 78" volvo 242 |
i'm actually finishing up the xmember for this swap for my DD today. i'll get measurments when i pull the stuff out of the mockup car. its on the lift so i'll try and snap some photos too.
the disc i used is a MB280e ? sachs SD655 , 1861 775 033 , 0112500903 WP , bar code 0860903781, way to many numbers on the box, i'll dig thru my catalogs and get the current sachs number i used a chevy throw out, the shortest one. and the oem volvo fork listed above. just had to remove a little legth off the pins and got some hardened tubing with the correct id and od , cut to lenght and pressed over the pins. i did have to take a little chunk out of the back of the fork and brace it to get the release clearance needed. and had to shim the pivot ball . lawrence knox aka fidel knox motorspors knoxmotorsports.us |
phlat65 Sean Medcroft Infallible Moderator Location: Edmonds, Washington Join Date: 02/12/2009 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,802 Rally Car: Building a Merkur |
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BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
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fidel lawrence knox Elite Moderator Location: RVA richmond va Join Date: 03/11/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 61 Rally Car: 78" volvo 242 |
a cable can be changed roadside in no time , its light and easy to carry a spare . just make sure the motor is grounded well , most of the failures i see are from the cable working as the motor ground because the engine ground had failed. hydraulic systems have more parts , heavier , requires fluid and bleed if a component fails , a pain in the rear to do on stage / roadside. if an internal slaves blows , fluid all over the clutch . the only advantage i can think of for a hydro system is being able to have a easier pedal effort with real heavy pressure plates. but cables can do that with changing pedal or fork ratio . lawrence knox aka fidel knox motorspors knoxmotorsports.us |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
All very good points.. I like hydraulic because I'm used to it. And because it gives you signs of impending problems..(drip-drip-drip) But The thought of having to remove the gearbox to get access to a annular slave is daunting, (on the other hand, those annular things are stupid reliable) but then again i don't like working on cars so I want the work to be easy---like external slave cylinders are...or cables. No need for heavy pedal, not with all the differnt pressure plates in use now..Saab 240 will hold around 350 ft/lbs, far in excess of what any 2wd car needs and its a light pedal. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
Trying to get this going again (no joke, every time I try to work on the Volvo life tries to put me in the hospital, or try take my apartment away) Fidel- Ever get any of those pics? Why did you have to cut the fork/shim the ball? The throw out too tall? Which TOB did you use- I was going to try the 87 Camaro one, but would like to not throw away $60 on something that doesn't fit. Enablers, All of you. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Dood, Lawrence is re-trenching everything in life as he's been fucked up with some medical shit and I just on last Friday had the 7th surgery in last I dunno--4 years or some shit.. He sounded better on Friday thatn I did when we talked last or maybe that was Saturday--I was delirious (on DRUGS!) Friday---and busy painting half the apartment... I now have some Volvo clutch arms and shit here so lemme look. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/14/2013 09:01AM by john vanlandingham. |
BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
John
Well, that's rough. Hope you both heal up. What's going on with you, still working on back problems? I was pretty messed up as well, with some blood poisoning thrown in for good measure. As I paid that off (straight out of the 'cage the Volvo' fund which ran out far too early) my landlord kicked her husband out, then a few weeks later let us know she couldn't afford the house and the bank was knocking on the door. Not saying I'm quitting- I'm saying I haven't, and I am back up to speed. I have the fork/clutch arm dealie from a M47 and it seems its the wrong one (although correct stock part for my car as it is). I was going to try to get a M46 fork/arm with the pins and try to use the Kaplhenke blocks as CoryG above mentioned. If you can look, that would be a great help John. That still leaves the question of the TOB. Also, I tried to call you today: I think I want to go with one of your flywheels if you have any made up. If you recall, you suggested wayyy back to use the stock with a motley of pressure plate and clutch discs... None of these am I sure what to use. I figure using your flywheel will simplify that, and save me adding it later. Enablers, All of you. |
coryg57 Cory Grunwald Super Moderator Location: Puyallup, WA Join Date: 11/17/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 53 |
Rob,
I used the throw out bearing out of a kit for a V6 chevy s10. I got it as part of a clutch kit, but you can find it by itself on rock auto (http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=219783&cc=1061053). Just make sure to verify the bore matches your input shaft diameter. As for clutch disc, I called Lawrence and had him order me a Volvo clutch from spec but with a custom spline to match my input shaft. Pretty easy to get. It was a hair thicker so I had to get some nifty little washers from John to space the stock Volvo pressure plate up a little bit. |
BobOfTheFuture Rob Elite Moderator Location: LI, NY Join Date: 09/25/2010 Age: Settling Down Posts: 629 Rally Car: None, anymore. |
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