Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query

Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query What do you guys think of using a Third Gen (81-85), for a Rallycross project? I've been looking at doing something cheap while building my GTi, and having a RWD to go along with the FWD, so I can run in multiple divisions. I also kind of like doing something that harkens back to the 80's, since that's when I was introduced to Rallying. The 22-RE engine can be built powerful and bulletproof for cheap, and the W58 transmission is an alloy cased unit with close to close ratio specs supplied as stock. Both have huge availability, and ease of repair, which is nice as well. https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112606#msg-112606 Mon, 27 Apr 2026 05:34:42 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112730#msg-112730 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112730#msg-112730
I can see why everyone who isnt a wannabe poser like me dosent want a big circle jerk in like general rally and construction zone. I cant really contribute technical info like that. But a man gotta bust his nut somewhere.]]> LexusFman Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:42:07 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112728#msg-112728 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112728#msg-112728

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Robert Culbertson
^ Much chuckling was had.

Glad to hear it... that was the point afterall!]]> Not Trolling Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:43:20 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112727#msg-112727 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112727#msg-112727 Robert Culbertson Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:22:54 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112726#msg-112726 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112726#msg-112726

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john vanlandingham
Maybe i can fire a note off to Skye and suggest he amend the title of Off Topic to "Off Topic and Fappery About Some Car You Think Would Be Cool to Just Talk Crap About That You'll Never Do A Thing About"

Finally a single spot for the Xratty builds!]]> Not Trolling Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 14:51:09 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112724#msg-112724 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112724#msg-112724

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Robert Culbertson
Should there be a "General Fappery" section of the forum?

There already is:
http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/list.php?5]]> Not Trolling Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:14:54 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112723#msg-112723 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112723#msg-112723

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Robert Culbertson
Should there be a "General Fappery" section of the forum? Or is Off Topic that section?

Yeah not a bad idea.. When there was only "SS.com" there was so many more posts at one time on video games that it seemed that was the main interest. It was suggested that that gushing over how perfectly realistic this game was over the other game was embarrassing on the main page.
A sub-forum was created.

Maybe i can fire a note off to Skye and suggest he amend the title of Off Topic to "Off Topic and Fappery About Some Car You Think Would Be Cool to Just Talk Crap About That You'll Never Do A Thing About"]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:07:35 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112721#msg-112721 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112721#msg-112721 Robert Culbertson Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:49:47 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112720#msg-112720 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112720#msg-112720

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DanielSL
So now a discussion based on an idea, with some good input and great thoughts, has been derailed by another of your B.S. posts and useless diatribes.
When the jack fails, and your head is crushed like a popped zit under someones chassis; I will be more than happy to fly out west to simply piss on your headstone. You are the king of all that is a waste of time and energy, you p.o.s..

No Dan a BS whim musing thread which is in itself useless was kicked around..
I had a nice talk yesterday with a fellow on a RALLY car subject and your fappery came up and he previously had an old POS Celica exactly what you are bloviating about and he actually did use it in actual SCCA style rally-crosses...and did fine.. That was good talk.
YOU however are merely blabbering, but worse, you are bullshitting.

If you come and bullshit--and so far that is ALL you have done, then why be surprised or offended when somebody says you are bullshitting?
Evidently your head is so far up your enormous ass you didn't see the main message:
You want to get a Celica to go drive around in a field? Do it.
The CAR as it was made is all you need for that.
The rest is bullshit.
You are the epitome of waste, and dishonesty.

Do it. Get a Celica and shut up.]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:24:17 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112719#msg-112719 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112719#msg-112719 When the jack fails, and your head is crushed like a popped zit under someones chassis; I will be more than happy to fly out west to simply piss on your headstone. You are the king of all that is a waste of time and energy, you p.o.s..]]> DanielSL Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:08:14 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112717#msg-112717 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112717#msg-112717

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DanielSL
This forum is, or at least was, to encourage all things rally. Be it rallycross, rally sprints, or stage.

Over time, it looks like John has forgot that. This section is called chat, and I brought up an idea, so that it could be discussed. Simple as that.

As always, John is the one that has to malign, derail, and destroy a thread.

New RallyCross contingency package available: $5,000 to anyone who can "persuade"John to no longer participate in any type of rallying, on any level.

Look bub, this forum was founded by about 5-6 guys 4-5 feet over that way.

We DO want to encourage sensible club level SUSTAINABLE rally... Not a trite shotgun "all things" rally..

And we had ZERO thoughts at the time about grass-o-cross or fap-o-cross..

Because it has ZERO connection to rally and importantly the PEOPLE who do or want to do grass-o-cross or fap-o-cross can more often be people with different attitudes..
In short: High on bullshit, low on honesty...

And high on the stupid whining defensiveness that characterizes a whole segment of this country... which is connected to the honesty bit.

So Daniel, Don't tell me what this forum was founded to do or it's intent. There was ZERO thought about the fap-o-cross because it is fapping and some of the people doing it are annoying fappeurs ---which is like a POSEUR...and YOU are definitely a Championship level Fappeur.

Let's make something very clear Daniel without a last name because you are dishonorable,

YOU by posting your "Oh golly look at all the pile of impressive shit I bought to go fap" and
like this thread "I was fapping about real racers and real men so I started a thread about fapping about a old Celica"
type bullshit will, if left unchecked, malign, derail, and destroy rally in America..And with that the whole point of this forum.

Airheaded, consumerist, vague, bland ego centric talk about what you "Like" and "want" helps nobody if not examined in detail. and IN CONTEXT
And you stated the context: fap-o-cross.

And just like all your posts this one from you says--from you---NOTHING worthwhile.
You malign, derail, and destroy this forum and the country with your vague thoughtless bullshitting.

Again, isn't there some place you could find to write this kind of bullshit lazy ass "I was fucking off at work and outta the blue for no reason at all i thought old Celica..what if I fixed it up to LOOK JUST LIKE (a real rally car that was built to FUNCTION) some car I saw a photo of once..That's so kewl I better post on some forum" type shit you post where it would get you some attention you so desperately seek?]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:44:52 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112714#msg-112714 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112714#msg-112714
Edit for my formula to make the car work on dirt:
195/75r14 load range D BFG A/Ts ~30psi
new rubber bushings everywhere
KYB Gas-A-Just rear
KYB GR-2 front
Worst brake pads you can buy up front
Hawk or EBC performance pads in the rear
Many spare steering arms

Apart from the tires, you can do all that in a day of work and less than $200 in parts.]]> NONACK Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:59:44 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112713#msg-112713 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112713#msg-112713 I'll definitely be keeping these on my radar now, as I work on the GTi build. Could be a year to 18 months before that car is done, as I am building it to modified class rules, as well as making sure it will be legal for Rally Sprints as well.
Thanks for sharing.]]> DanielSL Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:57:23 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112712#msg-112712 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112712#msg-112712

]]> NONACK Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:50:25 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112711#msg-112711 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112711#msg-112711
Over time, it looks like John has forgot that. This section is called chat, and I brought up an idea, so that it could be discussed. Simple as that.

As always, John is the one that has to malign, derail, and destroy a thread.

New RallyCross contingency package available: $5,000 to anyone who can "persuade"John to no longer participate in any type of rallying, on any level.]]> DanielSL Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 05:50:33 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112708#msg-112708 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112708#msg-112708

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RALLYRS
It still beats a day at work though...even if has nothing in common whatsoever with stage..

Some wise person once said of auto-cross and it applies to the thing they absurdly named after that really crazy sport as done elsewhere in 400-650 hp rockets. he said
Otter-cross is kinda like jerkin off: it may be fun to do but I don't want to sit around all day watching other guys do it".

Sure its fun. If you get to beat on a car and its cheap, fine. I've done a couple...and they were approached as fun--no counting the cones just mash the gas and leave it..I won "most cones killed for the day"..

But this guy with his 17" wheel, Audi turbo powered, super headlights, 380mm discs "and I am NOT changing the brakes that some VW engineer decided the car needs" VW and now this whole thread, that's the part which is politely put jerkin the gherkin...

High expenditure, for the minimal action possible and still call it "competition" is the antithesis of everything this forum was founded to encourage and assist..]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Wed, 06 Jul 2016 01:58:12 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112707#msg-112707 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112707#msg-112707 RALLYRS Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 23:00:10 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112704#msg-112704 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112704#msg-112704

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tdrrally
i like the idea of the celica with the tacoma engines either the 2.4 L 2RZ-FE I4 142 hp (106 kW)
2.7 L 3RZ-FE I4 150 hp (112 kW)

if it's a solid rear axle (6.7) swap it out for an 7.5 or an 8"

or just build a 2wd tacoma

Why not actually DRIVE the car stock? Flat field..A gang of happy dreamer amateurs, a cheezoid plaque maybe? ZERO realistic competition..

The Oh Pea needs a new avatar:

Actually John...

Since many of our rallyx regions in SCCA "grassocross" don't have grass(see pic of yours truly below piddling around in a dirt lot which might as well be the surface of the moon)perhaps we should call it fap-o-cross to differentiate it from real rallycross...I don't mind....

And I know something about fap...I mean about piddling around in a dirt lot... :)]]> RALLYRS Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:30:47 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112703#msg-112703 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112703#msg-112703

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tdrrally
i like the idea of the celica with the tacoma engines either the 2.4 L 2RZ-FE I4 142 hp (106 kW)
2.7 L 3RZ-FE I4 150 hp (112 kW)

Saw a TTE lookalike Celica with the 2.7 dropped in. Disgusting how "stock" it looked. Even the P/S line from the Celica worked with a couple tweaks.]]> Pete Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:51:49 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112701#msg-112701 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112701#msg-112701

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tdrrally
i like the idea of the celica with the tacoma engines either the 2.4 L 2RZ-FE I4 142 hp (106 kW)
2.7 L 3RZ-FE I4 150 hp (112 kW)

if it's a solid rear axle (6.7) swap it out for an 7.5 or an 8"

or just build a 2wd tacoma

Why not actually DRIVE the car stock? Flat field..A gang of happy dreamer amateurs, a cheezoid plaque maybe? ZERO realistic competition..

The Oh Pea needs a new avatar:

]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:45:17 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112696#msg-112696 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112696#msg-112696 2.7 L 3RZ-FE I4 150 hp (112 kW)

if it's a solid rear axle (6.7) swap it out for an 7.5 or an 8"

or just build a 2wd tacoma]]> tdrrally Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 12:35:28 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112692#msg-112692 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112692#msg-112692

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LexusFman
That's why you go with a 3SGE. Here's a pic I drew yesterday for inspiration

My oldest stepson is a JDM kid... Don't know why, but he is. And a good half dozen of my employees are of the age where they think JDM lifestyle and F&F movies are actually how things should be done.
As soon as any of them heard I may stray away from German cars for a project, I was bombarded with the 3SGE black-top Beams, blah, blah, blah.

Almost thinking of finding a LeCar and sourcing a Renault 5 Turbo 2 aftermarket body kit from Europe, at this point. But I really like the idea of at least one RWD in the stable.]]> DanielSL Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:52:29 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112691#msg-112691 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112691#msg-112691

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LexusFman
That's why you go with a 3SGE. Here's a pic I drew yesterday for inspiration

Obviously..except for playing in a grassy field a trillion miles stock 18 hp ancient 22R in the celica with 3.62 axle and the widest ratio box in the world will work just fine--with stock struts..

Obviously.]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:44:08 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112690#msg-112690 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112690#msg-112690

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john vanlandingham
At least the car could sensibly up-engined to something better than the 22R.. 22RLooks nice in the block and crank but what horrible heads on those...horrible valve train, dumb long rockers, dumb geometry..Just ruins the whole motor..

BUT maybe before we think of crazy potentials--grass-o-cross..
Fapping again..

All in all not a bad engine. Bottom ends ARE tough. They can be made to have good power but it's a waste for rallycross.

Everyone wants the older 20R heads on the 22R blocks, but years ago I found that the highswirl 22R heads actually make great power. Gotta grind the swirl/fin thingy right out of the head, but it's still the highest airflow-gain cylinder head I've ever had on a flowbench. With a 1 mm larger intake valve it went from 88 cfm to 134 cfm on the intake ports. Revved to 7500 rpms with a shaved head and a modest cam and 45 DCOE's after that! And still had tire shredding torque down low....

But yea, that's just internet fapping, and unnecessary for dirt-cross. A modern 2.0 litre 16v swap and a steep rear axle ratio would be reliable and fun and all ya need.]]> Ascona73 Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 09:57:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112689#msg-112689 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112689#msg-112689 LexusFman Rally Chat Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:10:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112680#msg-112680 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112680#msg-112680

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Ascona73
Coolest part about a third gen is you can make a pretty good copy of this:

Definitely one of the fastest 2wd rally cars run in Group B.

I got to see three of those going --Shekar Mehta, And Lars-Erik Torph and Steve Millen in the last event they would ever run---after I DNFed.. They worked well..Solid and stable and quick...(hours behind the leaders but hey, it was a serious fight for the win..everybody else was to some degree cruising.

Yeah, makes tons of sense..For grass-o-cross...

At least the car could sensibly up-engined to something better than the 22R.. 22RLooks nice in the block and crank but what horrible heads on those...horrible valve train, dumb long rockers, dumb geometry..Just ruins the whole motor..

BUT maybe before we think of crazy potentials--grass-o-cross..
Fapping again..]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Sat, 02 Jul 2016 17:13:34 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112678#msg-112678 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112678#msg-112678

Definitely one of the fastest 2wd rally cars run in Group B.]]> Ascona73 Rally Chat Sat, 02 Jul 2016 16:35:46 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112668#msg-112668 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112668#msg-112668

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]]> tdrrally Rally Chat Sat, 02 Jul 2016 13:01:59 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112611#msg-112611 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112611#msg-112611
I could do a Celica for about the same price as a Miata, so maybe the Miata would just be the best bet as they are competitive. But I keep wanting something that looks like an "old school" rally car, from the mid 80's.

The GTi's are all FWD, so getting another would just be a waste of money, even though it would mean spares. Then again, I have a 10' x 40' storage unit for spares for all my other projects that never get completed. LOL.]]> DanielSL Rally Chat Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:11:48 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112608#msg-112608 Re: Third Gen. Toyota Celica Query https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,112606,112608#msg-112608 Not Trolling Rally Chat Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:29:41 -0500