Today I bought the celica rally car I've been looking at. My first rally car! Woo hoo! Its not in great shape... but the price was fair. It has a tired 2.2L 20R motor. Should I work on rebuilding and modifying it or should I just start out swapping to a 2.4L 22R and go from there? My budget is limited for now, but I'm in no rush and want to build a good car that I can enjoy for many years/till I wreck it. I know those 22R's have got to be cheap... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14018#msg-14018 Sat, 04 Apr 2026 03:12:22 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14692#msg-14692 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14692#msg-14692 http://humboldt.craigslist.org/car/663971676.html

Found another celica for free.

Be great if you need parts and stuff, or spares.]]> pikespeakgtx Rally Chat Thu, 01 May 2008 18:10:43 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14174#msg-14174 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14174#msg-14174 Hankook's don't seem to hold up well to age. We've been running Tanner's old tires from 2006 and they seem to be degrading relatively quick.]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:49:53 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14173#msg-14173 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14173#msg-14173 Slowwpoke Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:09:42 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14172#msg-14172 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14172#msg-14172 What brand, where's a lawyer, are those weasels ready to litigate!!!!????]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:30:42 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14170#msg-14170 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14170#msg-14170 -------------------------------------------------------
> > On the ooooold tires, my advice would be to
> not
> > use them for ANYTHING but rally-x's, not even
> on
> > the street. I've seen a few old, hardened
> tires
> > literally fall apart on rally cars; not a
> great
> > idea.
>
> WHICH tires have fallen apart?
> Name names.
> I've seen 10 year old Michelins win Gp2 stages.
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca


I believe Wilson had THREE old rally tires (NOS) blow out at Sandblast 2008. At least one of them was on a transit and sent him off the road and into the ditch (luckily not across oncoming lanes of traffic)....


]]> Josh Wimpey Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:50:01 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14167#msg-14167 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14167#msg-14167 -------------------------------------------------------
>> No consideration for changing the Opel rack at
> this time; I have a few gobs of spares ones and a
> freshly rebuilt one. Besides, Bob Legere has the
> info to upgrade the existing ones, and I don't
> need to re-work the whole steering design.

Mark, besides the Swedish Manta/Ascona A kits, you can adapt a Manta B fast-rack from Quaife to the Manta A. Gives you 2.4 turns.

Or the steering quickener deal, which with a 1.5:1 quickener gives you 2.6 turns. I'm doing another one of these in the next few weeks, I'll try to take some pics during the install (got my car lift finally!).

Bob
]]> Ascona73 Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:34:07 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14165#msg-14165 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14165#msg-14165 -------------------------------------------------------
> Slowwpoke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bob, exactly how much beer and meds are we
> talkin?
> > Thats starting to sound mighty tempting...
> >
> > Ninety horsepower. Why? Is that too much?
>
>
> I dunno, maybe $200? Keep in mind the engine will
> probably need freshening, it's sat for MANY years.
> But they're getting pretty rare, and they have
> somewhat of a racing pedigree. I think Toysport
> still stocks some bits for it as well.
>
> Bob
>
> Opel is a 4-letter word...

Hey, that's a pretty good price even if you have to rebuild it. Worth the 300 to ship. The Toyota kids want crazy money for these motor nowadays. I've seen them go for as much as over a grand. I wouldn't trust Toysport as of yet. Ever since the company changed hands, they've had some pretty bad rep. If you ever need a part from them, make sure they have it in stock, go pick it up, and pay up front for it.


]]> noypiesky Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:42:20 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14164#msg-14164 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14164#msg-14164 -------------------------------------------------------
> Bob, exactly how much beer and meds are we talkin?
> Thats starting to sound mighty tempting...
>
> Ninety horsepower. Why? Is that too much?


I dunno, maybe $200? Keep in mind the engine will probably need freshening, it's sat for MANY years. But they're getting pretty rare, and they have somewhat of a racing pedigree. I think Toysport still stocks some bits for it as well.

Bob]]> Ascona73 Rally Chat Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:39:34 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14146#msg-14146 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14146#msg-14146 Slowwpoke Rally Chat Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:47:22 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14137#msg-14137 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14137#msg-14137 david amor Rally Chat Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:29:23 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14127#msg-14127 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14127#msg-14127
Michael Hoche-???? is on So Cal for NASA rally cage inspections. (Sorry Michael, I can never remember your whole last name off the top of my head.... yet...I'll get there.) He is on SSFOrums and maybe here as 'hoche'.

JVL: some of the old Bridgestones floaring around don't do well. Many could well be 15+ years old.
No consideration for changing the Opel rack at this time; I have a few gobs of spares ones and a freshly rebuilt one. Besides, Bob Legere has the info to upgrade the existing ones, and I don't need to re-work the whole steering design. Besides, IMO, a WELL DRIVEN RWD car does not need as much steering input as FWD. I used to be steering all over the place many years ago when I started rallying, but now its' mostly a quick flick of the wheel here and there, and once the car's set in a finely balanced slide, it does not take much steering input at all to get all the control that you can do anything with.

Regards,
Mark B.]]> starion887 Rally Chat Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:49:46 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14100#msg-14100 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14100#msg-14100 -------------------------------------------------------
> JVL, we need to talk. I feel I'm drowning in a
> sea of opportunity, but I don't want to miss the
> boat! Can I give you a brief call so that you
> might more efficiently impart your wealth of
> knowledge and expertise unto me?
>

Sure call now 20:15 or 8.15 pm
206 431 9696

> Ninety horsepower. Why? Is that too much?


]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:14:59 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14099#msg-14099 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14099#msg-14099 Slowwpoke Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:14:40 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14095#msg-14095 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14095#msg-14095 Slowwpoke Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:50:58 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14091#msg-14091 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14091#msg-14091
I’m moving on to restoring a 1967 Buick GS 340 California Special so I’m selling all my RG stuff, been collecting it for the past 10 years now. If you don’t like these prices then you are free to make an offer… and of course I am free to ignore it. Cash or money orders work best, Pics are available by request at Drew@litrex.com. Unless I can figure out how to post images here.
Toyota 18rg short block: 92mm, high compression (11:1?) pistons, line bored, balanced, Total Seal rings, lots of receipts, 5K miles, there is absolutely no ring ridge in the cylinders… $750
18RG Copper 92mm Head gasket, new… $45
Disassembled 270 series head, complete, needs valve job, all valves are good… $150
TRD PI copy Header, large port, 3/8 flange… $250
Header flange, thick, large port... $45
RG exhaust and intake manifold gaskets… $25
18RG HKS cams 288 & 304, Like new and still in the box… $500
Toyota RG “equivalent” timing chains set, new… $45
Mallory dual point, mechanical advance distributors, ready for Unilite conversion… $50
1 set of used Head bolts… $25
4 used 8.5:1 RG pistons… $35
RG NHK plug wires in the box… $65
Mallory 8mm plug wires (homemade: new wires, boots are used factory RG)… $65
RG Oil pump used, shows very little wear… $100
Late model timing chain tensioner new… $100
Timing chain slipper “New in box”… $100
#3 chain damper “New in plastic ”…$100
#2 chain damper “used”… $35
RG valve cover half moons… $10 each
Valve guide seals… $80
1 low profile EFI thermo housing and cap…$100
RG engine block oil filter mount… $10
RG intake manifold w/ balance tube, 2.5” runners… $50
RG mechanical fuel pump New… $45
RG water pump New… $35
18rg Green manual… $25
Valve Cover gasket set rubber and cork… $25
Set of 4, Kumo Ecsta racing tires, 195-55VR-14, V700, 82V, V70A, Zero miles… $425.
Set of 4, 14x6, 4 on 100mm, Utra wheels… $150.
Set of 4 Piper-Cross velocity stack filter socks, with filter oil, New… $100
Mikuni 40-44mm short 1” aluminum velocity stacks, new… $100.
Innovative motorsports LC-1 Air/Fuel ratio Sensor kit, comes with new Bosch wide-band o2 sensor, New in box. $150.
Auto-Meter Air fuel ratio meter, ATM-3375… $40
Thanks for looking!
-Drew]]> noypiesky Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:09:00 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14090#msg-14090 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14090#msg-14090 Know if this is still around?
DAVE, John Lane is going to bring a 240 back from down there, he could drag it back.

But 500 is a bit more than beer iddnit?
Trucking a motor on a pallet might run about 300 from out there in Cornetticut.]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:52:01 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14085#msg-14085 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14085#msg-14085 >
> Hey Dave, didya get that nice motor from Bob? Send
> him some good Washington beer and secure it, we'll
> figure a way to get it here.
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

Here's one much closer. http://www.toyota3tc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17556

]]> noypiesky Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:29:12 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14084#msg-14084 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14084#msg-14084 -------------------------------------------------------
> Ok, Get ahold of Gene McCullough in the Seattle
> area on the cage; he tech's for both NASA and R-A.
> Find out from him what the cage may need (if
> anything); that might guide along to the next
> steps. (I would expect Gene to be at the Olympus
> rally.)

Except Gene is way out on the far edge of Washington like 3 feet before you fall in the Ocean, 130 miles from Sleezattle.

>
> On the ooooold tires, my advice would be to not
> use them for ANYTHING but rally-x's, not even on
> the street. I've seen a few old, hardened tires
> literally fall apart on rally cars; not a great
> idea.

WHICH tires have fallen apart?
Name names.
I've seen 10 year old Michelins win Gp2 stages.
>
> GO to a few rally-x's as soon as you can, after
> the electrical fix, and thrash the car a bit; push
> it. I think you need to work over the basic
> systems (electrical, brakes, cooling, fuel system,
> seat mounts, the basic steering and suspension
> bits, dumb stuff like window regulators, etc) and
> get things fixed up well before going much into
> $$'s spent on any upgrades. It would stink to buy
> a lot of fancy stuff and have a stupid loose wire
> stop you. And you don't want to spend a rally
> entry fee unless the car is reliable.

Yep get it going and shake it down for all the "car shit"
>
> Have you got rally friends who have rally cars
> nearby to look at it?

Poor bastid is over in the middle of the state in what should be a desert wasteland
except for the irrigation from the Colombia. Nobody lives there.
Nobody even lives close by.
He's just going to have to commute a while to the civilised part of the state.



Have them critique it. Since
> this car has been sitting due to a fairly simple
> problem, I would be concerned that there are a lot
> little things that need attention.

Yep, previous owner was poor broke college student, probably needs a serious lookover.
>
> I agree on the advice on the belts and time-dated
> stuff like that. Buy them when you get about 1-2
> months ahead of your first real rally. The only
> expection is a decent helmet; it's you first line
> of safety defense, and an SA 2005 helmet should be
> good 'til about 2016, if the sacnctioning body
> cycles stay consistent.
>
> Regards,
> Mark B.

Hey Mark, here's something for youse to stink abooot for the Oldpile for steering
Just looked at a Miata steering rack and its a nice 2.75 rack and narrow, as in narrow enough to maybe be good, commonly available, front of spindle. A little lightweight looking but cheaper than getting a nonexistent Ascona A rack.

Might be something to think aboooot for Dave Clark the Lesser's Toyota..

Hey Dave, didya get that nice motor from Bob? Send him some good Washington beer and secure it, we'll figure a way to get it here.


]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:20:50 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14079#msg-14079 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14079#msg-14079 Slowwpoke Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:00:25 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14076#msg-14076 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14076#msg-14076
borrow someones "old" tires
helmet,
suit,
head and neck jazz.
ODOmeter
heck someone might even let you borrow an intercom if it meant one more car running doowops.

run Doowops, one canadian event mt trials or pacific forest and depending on the price, wild west or mt hood.

95 horse power is more than i've got, don't sweat the power until you can out drive it. Just make sure the thing isn't running poorly because of something stupid like an old fuel pump or something like that.

jvab suspension is Very Nice! and worth the price! though if there is suspension on the car that can finish one event, don't take the car apart to get your suspenders, have john start working on a spare set.

Lucky!]]> acrane Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:07:02 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14072#msg-14072 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14072#msg-14072
On the ooooold tires, my advice would be to not use them for ANYTHING but rally-x's, not even on the street. I've seen a few old, hardened tires literally fall apart on rally cars; not a great idea.

GO to a few rally-x's as soon as you can, after the electrical fix, and thrash the car a bit; push it. I think you need to work over the basic systems (electrical, brakes, cooling, fuel system, seat mounts, the basic steering and suspension bits, dumb stuff like window regulators, etc) and get things fixed up well before going much into $$'s spent on any upgrades. It would stink to buy a lot of fancy stuff and have a stupid loose wire stop you. And you don't want to spend a rally entry fee unless the car is reliable.

Have you got rally friends who have rally cars nearby to look at it? Have them critique it. Since this car has been sitting due to a fairly simple problem, I would be concerned that there are a lot little things that need attention.

I agree on the advice on the belts and time-dated stuff like that. Buy them when you get about 1-2 months ahead of your first real rally. The only expection is a decent helmet; it's you first line of safety defense, and an SA 2005 helmet should be good 'til about 2016, if the sacnctioning body cycles stay consistent.

Regards,
Mark B.]]> starion887 Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:48:44 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14064#msg-14064 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14064#msg-14064 -------------------------------------------------------
> Hey Dave, don't run ad buy suits and belts till 2
> weeks before your first rally where they're
> required.

Agree 100%.
Don't buy the age restricted shit till you are REALLY ready for it. It would suck for you to buy it now, then come across some problem that takes lots of time, in the meantime your suit, harnesses etc... are all sat rotting.
(They must rot, right? That's why the need to replace them every 2?)

If you are still in the LA area give Andreas a call at Cardini Motorsport.
http://www.cardinimotorsport.com/

He's a good guy with good prices - tell him Nick Taylor sent you.
I went for Schroth belts (FIA so valid for 5 years) and I like Sparco suits, but there are definitely cheaper options out there.]]> nick the brit Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:57:58 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14063#msg-14063 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14063#msg-14063 -------------------------------------------------------
>> Price?
> Don't those have the sparky-plug right in the
> middle like the 2TC
> How's we's gonna transport it?
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham

Cheap. I don't need it any longer. Just enough $$ to cover the beer and meds to pull it from my trailer, my back will hate me!

Yea, freight would suck.

Plugs are straight up and down, like a 2TC/3TC. Rated at 145 hp (gross, I suspect).

Bob]]> Ascona73 Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:37:12 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14059#msg-14059 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14059#msg-14059 Carl S Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:00:59 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14056#msg-14056 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14056#msg-14056 -------------------------------------------------------
> Why not just turbo the engine and run an
> aftermarket ECU?

Hi "Secretsquirel"
Welcome to rallyAnarchy.
We only have a couple of rules but No.1 is that we all post a real name and a real location. It works better that way when we feel like we're talking to a real person and noy some anonymous "e-persona".

So could you be kind and fill out your stuff?


]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:32:40 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14055#msg-14055 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14055#msg-14055 -------------------------------------------------------
> ya... what John said.
>
> Ninety horsepower. Why? Is that too much?

Hey Dave, don't run ad buy suits and belts till 2 weeks before your first rally where they're required.
With everybody sucking the cock of SFI and saying that the belts turn to ashes in 2 years and 1 day even when they've been in a sealed box stored in a humidity control 58* wine cellar and that you'd die instantly if the car hit a large dandelion and therefore the belts are only "good" for 2 years, you don't want to do like so many of us and buy belts only to have them "expire" after 1 event.

Unless you buy FIA belts for more dinero. Then they "die" in 5 years. That FIA sticker really somehow sucks the age causing metabolites out of the surrounding air.

But! NO PRICE IS TOO MUCH for protecting the multi-millionaire owner of Rally America from potential litigation.
(RAs rules aren't the hardest, just the most bizarrely invented and interpreted, and absurd. I wonder how the RA Technical Hero might explain hos all new car manufacturer supply belts that somehow don't crumble like dust after just 2 years?)



]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:29:22 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14054#msg-14054 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14054#msg-14054 secretsquirrel Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:25:46 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14053#msg-14053 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14053#msg-14053 Slowwpoke Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:18:15 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14052#msg-14052 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14052#msg-14052 -------------------------------------------------------
> Ditto on the Congrats! The disease has really
> taken hold.....
>
> Maybe for prioroty on the limited budget
> expenditures, how about describing the general
> condition of all that you know, or can see? Like:
> - What events do you want to compete in? (Could
> determine the answer to the next question)

What events SHOULD I compete in? I was thinking I'd try to make the car legal for any event. And from what I've heard, RA has the "strictest" rules so I thought I'd build to those.

> - Is the cage ready to go, or does it need
> upgrades?

Last rallied at 03' rim of the world. It think the cage needs another bar across the door but I'm hoping thats all.

> - Are things like belts up to date or do they need
> replaced?

It came with some bitchin piaa lights. They're no $2400 HIDs but then thats over 3 times what I paid for the car.
Didn't come with belts. And I needs a race suit. Where should I get one??

> - Have you had the chance to drive the car on a
> rally-x to sense any other issues?

No, the car hasn't run for a couple years. It has an electrical issue thats keeping it from cranking over at the moment. Thats first on my list to fix.

> - Did you get some good tires with the car, at
> least with enough usabel tread for a couple of
> rallies?

I got 7 rims and tires. Four have tread enought to rally but the tires are oooold.

>
> Good deal,
> Mark B.


]]> Slowwpoke Rally Chat Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:09:14 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14035#msg-14035 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,14018,14035#msg-14035 sagsert Rally Chat Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:07:32 -0500