Pikes Peak Evo Crash [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEUrEPPABbY[/video] Both occupants in hospital, one with serious but non life threatening injuries. https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69477#msg-69477 Sat, 04 Apr 2026 00:35:47 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,70050#msg-70050 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,70050#msg-70050 heymagic Rally Chat Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:32:31 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,70040#msg-70040 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,70040#msg-70040
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/today-show-car-accident-82112/1414209]]> modernbeat Rally Chat Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:32:39 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69953#msg-69953 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69953#msg-69953
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Oddly enough Toonces doors and roof stayed with the car...both times:bounce:

Obviously Toonce doesn't understand about cages cause Toonce ain't an injur-near..]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:59:59 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69948#msg-69948 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69948#msg-69948 heymagic Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:53:50 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69944#msg-69944 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69944#msg-69944 phlat65 Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:08:09 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69942#msg-69942 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69942#msg-69942
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Now it makes sense.

Huh?

Damn kids these days not getting early 90s pop culture references.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/278875]]> fiasco Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:36:32 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69939#msg-69939 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69939#msg-69939
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Now it makes sense.

Huh?]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:20:51 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69938#msg-69938 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69938#msg-69938
That's a good way to miss your apex!]]> DaveK Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:18:14 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69937#msg-69937 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69937#msg-69937
]]> modernbeat Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:15:15 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69918#msg-69918 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69918#msg-69918
I don't like window nets. With some drivers (particular the driver that I started with), I have spent enough time driving sideways that a window net would have blocked the view and made it harder for me to do my job.

I ran arm restraints for about a season. Never noticed them and often forgot about them until I tried to hand the time card to a marshal and my arm would stop abruptly.

FYI, I wear a full-face helmet with large eye ports.

I have been in a half-dozen roll-overs. Without arm restraints, as a co-driver, the weight of the route book/notes helped keep my left arm on my lap. My right arm would flail about and that was the source of the majority of the issues that I got in the roll-overs. Lots of cuts on my right hand. In Tim Paterson's RHD Evo, we did a barrel roll and every time my side of the car was up high, my right arm would fall down, across the field of view of the in-car. It looked like I was hitting Tim.

I guess I got lucky with glass; never had any issues with it. Dirt and fuel, on the other hand, ...

alan]]> tipo158 Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:34:07 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69906#msg-69906 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69906#msg-69906
I think it was the Mini that had the unusual door bars and that is getting away from the basic FIA formula. Someone had the design homolgated but that doesn't mean it will work for you or me .]]> heymagic Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:54:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69904#msg-69904 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69904#msg-69904
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Billy - wrc cars have required window film. Might be another solution.

But aren't they running lexan? Or do you mean stuff like PWRC and other classes that use OEM glass?



Also, on a side note. Did anyone ever do a discussion to Hurst about using Prodrive's idea of the door bars being incorperated into the B-pillar? I swear I remember it coming up on specialstage that he wouldn't approve a car's cage with that design.]]> BillyElliot Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:28:14 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69900#msg-69900 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69900#msg-69900
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Logically the driver only needs a left restraint...so co-driver is still open game for a right back hand.

I've always got it with the route book.....]]> JohnLane Rally Chat Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:12:48 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69881#msg-69881 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69881#msg-69881
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The incidence of lost fingers in the US is only going to keep growing with the popularity and increased sales of UTVs. One local rallyist rolled one and codriver lost at least 3-4 fingers. Another new rallyist's lady had a wrist brace on from a UTV roll a few weeks ago.
Arm restraints also prevent you from getting all GIGI on your codriver when you are pissed off.

Logically the driver only needs a left restraint...so co-driver is still open game for a right back hand.]]> heymagic Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:17:28 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69877#msg-69877 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69877#msg-69877 Arm restraints also prevent you from getting all GIGI on your codriver when you are pissed off.]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:57:04 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69876#msg-69876 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69876#msg-69876 wvonkessler Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:41:31 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69871#msg-69871 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69871#msg-69871 zerodegreec Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:24:26 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69869#msg-69869 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69869#msg-69869
Tim.]]> TronDD Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:15:07 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69868#msg-69868 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69868#msg-69868
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Everytime I saw footage of McCrae/Grist crashing, Grist always reached up and held onto the cage. I have instucted Jenne to NEVER do that. How he did not sever some digits in all those crashes is amazing


Wasn't it Colin who always just crossed his arms and grabbed his belts? (when he knew he couldn't save it)]]> Dazed_Driver Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:15:02 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69867#msg-69867 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69867#msg-69867 phlat65 Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:37:05 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69844#msg-69844 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69844#msg-69844 I prefer arm restraints to window nets myself.
In a properly built rally car, seat and harness failures are not as likely. This particular roll would have been much less serious in a better built car.]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:35:55 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69843#msg-69843 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69843#msg-69843
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Try arm restraints instead of window nets. They don't block your view should you find yourself trying to drive out the side windows. At first they feel a little restrictive, but after a few uses, you don't even notice them.

Dave

But they only restrain your arms. Not your helmeted head should your seat or belts fail.

And the notes on the face it to protect their eyes from glass. Open helments expose your face to all the debris flying around in a rollover. I've been in three in my life and it took about ten years to get all the glass out of my back from the worse one.]]> modernbeat Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:26:39 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69842#msg-69842 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69842#msg-69842
Dave]]> DaveK Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:47:36 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69841#msg-69841 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69841#msg-69841
Fuck... I think i'm going to look into installing window nets on my car now. I just think in a roll and my windows smash out (not lexan) and an arm sticking out of the car.

The way I see just about any rally driver/co-driver in the WRC when they crash... they tuck their arms to their chest and likely grab the belts. But still, in crashes like that you don't have time to think and the forces can rip your hands away from your chest. It reminds me of Pastrana's roll at Rally Colorado where his hand was outside the window for several rolls.

I also see co-drivers take the notes and put them over their face, which I get a giggle out of that.]]> BillyElliot Rally Chat Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:43:25 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69785#msg-69785 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69785#msg-69785 mekilljoydammit Rally Chat Sat, 18 Aug 2012 11:05:43 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69784#msg-69784 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69784#msg-69784
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What is up with all the doors and roof coming off? All welds removed for lightness?

LMFAO]]> Dazed_Driver Rally Chat Sat, 18 Aug 2012 02:36:34 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69780#msg-69780 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69780#msg-69780

What is up with all the doors and roof coming off? All welds removed for lightness?


Jason, I'm all for you being outspoken on this issue. That car was far more dangerous than it should have been, and those guys are acting like they were heros when they were being idiots. Unfortunate that speaking the truth opens you up to a shitstorm, but as someone said, in the long run reality always wins.]]> alkun Rally Chat Sat, 18 Aug 2012 00:55:09 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69779#msg-69779 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69779#msg-69779 phlat65 Rally Chat Sat, 18 Aug 2012 00:23:07 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69777#msg-69777 Re: Pikes Peak Evo Crash https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,69477,69777#msg-69777
Well, the "cage failed" is a matter of opinion because some people will say that the safety equipment on any crash you are still breathing after was successful. I consider safety equipment a system. The entire system can be successful even if one component fails. In the case of Foley's car, I feel the cage failed, the belts failed (because the seat moved), the seat and mount failed and Yuri's helmet saved the day. Only because he was lucky.

The second statement is a fact. I've attached eight screen grabs from the heavily watched video and three cropped photos from the "My Life at Speed" Facebook album. They show both driver's and passenger's arms outside the cage during two different flips in the last three photos and the first eight show Yuri's helmeted head, shoulder and arm outside the cage.

I've also been accused of photo manipulation. Don't believe me? Capture the frames yourself from the video.

My purpose on posting these is not to defame Evolution Dynamics. It's to get competitors to reconsider building cars to the minimum spec. And not just a Pikes Peak, but for time trials, road racing, and other hillclimbs. Please look at any car you get in with a critical eye. Learn what a GOOD cage is and what makes it good.





















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But one final note, the fuck these guys going on Day/Night talk shows to talk about their crash? I don't see the FY racing guys going on Letterman for their STPR crash which Adam was sure as shit lucky to have survived that one as well.

Nor is Travis Tollet who wrecked on a quad a few years ago and has been in a wheelchair ever since and became the first quadriplegic driver to race the mountain this year in a purpose built UTV.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/TravisTollett/Victor%20Crash/Travis5.jpg]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:35:21 -0500