Starlet for sale in Portland Just saw this on turbobricks.com and I thought maybe somebody here might be interested. http://eugene.craigslist.org/car/131040742.html https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,827#msg-827 Sun, 05 Apr 2026 16:58:32 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,984#msg-984 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,984#msg-984 -------------------------------------------------------
> Skye- that list is on so many websites.
>
> I look at it this way, I've lifted several 2.3
> blocks and I move the heads around my work bench
> every so often, but I can't move either a pair of
> 5.0 heads and I certainly can't lift a 5.0 block.
> And I move 300 lbs. espresso machines (move not
> lift mind you) and 90 lbs grinders at work, so I
> have something to compare to.

Dave Williams compiled the list.

The current list is at http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/txt/engfyi.htm .

It's found its way onto many sites, often without proper attribution and without the notes at the bottom.

For instance... that [2] attribution next to the 450lb weight for thr turbo engine:

(2) Complete Handbook of Automotive Power Trains, Jan Norbye, 1981

So that is the reported weight, lifted from a book, of a 2.3 Turbo made before 1981. So, we are talking one of the engines used in very early Fox body Mustangs. Carbureted. It's entirely possible that the carb engine's manifolding is obscenely heavy, or the early Turbo blocks are much heavier than later ones, or maybe Merkurs used different blocks since they WERE shipping engines from the US over to Germany so they could bolt them into cars and ship them back here.

Note that the non turbo 2.3 as listed from the same source is 411... *and* that a non turbo 2.3 listed from source 18 (Ford SVO V-6 Racing Engine Builder's Guide, 1992) is *307* pounds... no mention made of manifolding present or not, accessories or not, BUT STILL... Ford did do a lot of weight reduction in some of their engines after 1981.

There's another attribution for a 2.3 Turbo, incidentally... 380 pounds, including turbo (and presumably manifolding) and flywheel, from source 162: "Brian Knowles 29 August 1997 (his scale)". Lending credence to the weight-reduction-program theory.

There's data, and then there's where the data is coming from. Kinda like saying 5.0s must weigh 500 pounds because some 1968 motor did, even though they shaved a ton of weight out of them in '82 and it's cheaper to buy all-up aluminum heads you can lift with one finger and thumb than it is to even rebuild stockers with new valves, shedding even more weight... *duck and cover*



]]> Pete Rally Chat Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:08:03 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,972#msg-972 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,972#msg-972 ]]> Skye Rally Chat Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:41:58 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,958#msg-958 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,958#msg-958
I look at it this way, I've lifted several 2.3 blocks and I move the heads around my work bench every so often, but I can't move either a pair of 5.0 heads and I certainly can't lift a 5.0 block. And I move 300 lbs. espresso machines (move not lift mind you) and 90 lbs grinders at work, so I have something to compare to. ]]> Scott Manley Rally Chat Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:31:34 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,917#msg-917 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,917#msg-917
Cutting blocks in half! That's awesome. I go only to their For Sale, and that's only about once a month. That reminds me of this younger guy here in Denver who has an Impreza with the Legacy 2.2L turbo block that intentionally overrevved it on the track to around 11,500 RPM by downshifting to 2nd (dog box) jsut to see if his motor could handle it. He had like two spare motors so wasn't too worried about it. Yet people still insist upon the inferior WRX blocks, which is fine by us because then we can continue getting complete set ups for 2.2T swaps for $750.]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:59:19 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,916#msg-916 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,916#msg-916 -------------------------------------------------------
> Someone thought a 2.3l ford was heavier than a V8?
>
> Andrew McNally
> Hamilton ON
> 26

Yeah V8 Ford guys are always yapping that a 2300 OHC pos thing is "nearly as heavy, maybe 10-20 lbs different".
Yeah once the iron heads and Iron intake and IRON everything else is pitched for some "really cheap aluminum heads and intake...."

Not that heavier than Ford by approx 90 lbs VOLVO lump, OI!!!!
That's a heavy one, just about got a him-ia lifting the block for John L's Hornet class thing into the stand on Sunday.]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:25:42 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,915#msg-915 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,915#msg-915
Quote

"GM experimented with aluminum engines starting in the early 1950s, and work on a production unit commenced in 1956. Originally intended for 180 cu. in. (2.9 L) displacement, Buick decided to begin with a larger, 215 cu. in. (3.5 L) size, which was deemed ideal for the new "senior compacts" introduced for the 1961 model year.

The 215 had a 4.24 in (107.7 mm) bore spacing, a bore of 3.5 in (88.9 mm), and a stroke of 2.8 in (71.1 mm), for an actual displacement of 215.5 cu. in. (3533 cc). The engine was the lightest mass-production V8 in the world, with a dry weight of only 318 lb (144 kg). It was standard equipment in the 1961 Buick Special."

Sounds close to or lighter than the cast iron block & head of the stock 2.3 4cyl if Scott's numbers and the numbers of Wikipedia are right.

Here's a big engine weight chart:

http://www.241computers.com/ford/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=print&ceid=38&mid=30

Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2) (turbo)
Buick/Rover 215 V8 318 (and Olds)

Apparently the 2.3 weight is way wrong by at least 50 lbs high.

I have no idea how much the Sierra Cosworth YBB engine weighs, maybe John can chime in.
]]> Skye Rally Chat Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:24:32 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,914#msg-914 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,914#msg-914 Kirby Rally Chat Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:12:56 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,910#msg-910 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,910#msg-910 hudson Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:25:18 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,901#msg-901 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,901#msg-901 Scott Manley Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:18:20 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,877#msg-877 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,877#msg-877 I guess the fact that I think drag racing and autocross to be lame really makes me dislike most forums, since that's what everyone does mostly, except their For Sale forums.
I wonder if the guy in Minnesota that bought Aaron's Starlet project ever sold it. It was a good mix of car, motor (4AGE), and other bits for $1000. I thought about buying it from Aaron back before he sold it. There are hardly any Starlets around our area though.]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:34:12 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,876#msg-876 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,876#msg-876 Scott Manley Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:16:53 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,871#msg-871 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,871#msg-871 sagsert Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:30:11 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,863#msg-863 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,863#msg-863 Speaking of which, for Toyota pervs:
http://www.4age.net/

]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:38:23 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,861#msg-861 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,861#msg-861
Turbobricks could definitely be a lot worse. Especially considering I never liked the average Volvo owner around here and most of my friends flat out refuse to go to a Volvo car show.]]> hudson Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:19:46 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,859#msg-859 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,859#msg-859 Kirby Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:15:21 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,856#msg-856 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,856#msg-856 Ya wanna see something stupid go visit Saabnet.
The owner is a weeenie ass punk ass computer nerd who acts like a Nazi and bans people right and left. Idiot.

And the performance board is perhaps 40% people asking about Blow off Valave, BOV BOV BOV BOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOV
Fuckin BOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOVBOV BOV BOV]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:09:02 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,855#msg-855 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,855#msg-855 hudson Rally Chat Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:39:26 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,853#msg-853 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,853#msg-853 Kirby Rally Chat Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:17:34 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,829#msg-829 Re: Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,829#msg-829
Sofa King Wrote:
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> Just saw this on turbobricks.com and I thought
> maybe somebody here might be interested.
>
>
> Kevin Hawkinson
> Seattle, WA
> 83 Volvo 240 Gp5 (in progress)
> 31 YO!


]]> hudson Rally Chat Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:04:58 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,827#msg-827 Starlet for sale in Portland https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,827,827#msg-827 http://eugene.craigslist.org/car/131040742.html]]> Sofa King Rally Chat Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:44:06 -0600