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Naw, it ain't that much fun, especially with shit-box shit cars..
Several times I've attacked moto-cross courses with some innocent unsuspecting Saab---which unlike the POS little shit box junk comes with nice 15" wheels, and has stock gearing at 4.88 so it has some axx.
And it was funny as hell but the honest truth is 2 times we had been smoking some pretty good spliff---and the other time we had eaten huge handfuls of Psilocybin 'shrooms...ahhhh my mid 30s...how i miss those days.. Well it could have been early 40s too---tee heee!

Pics or it didn't happen...........ok here is some recently found footage. B)-

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Naw, it ain't that much fun, especially with shit-box shit cars..
Several times I've attacked moto-cross courses with some innocent unsuspecting Saab---which unlike the POS little shit box junk comes with nice 15" wheels, and has stock gearing at 4.88 so it has some axx.
And it was funny as hell but the honest truth is 2 times we had been smoking some pretty good spliff---and the other time we had eaten huge handfuls of Psilocybin 'shrooms...ahhhh my mid 30s...how i miss those days.. Well it could have been early 40s too---tee heee!

So maybe if they allowed---no! I got it!
Maybe if they MANDATED that you be like on shrooms or waaaaaaaaaaay stoned then bouncing along in some slow no-powered thing on the edge of losing control and flipping on the side at any second could be "entertaining"..

Fortunately according to Wiki:
Psilocybin[nb 1] (/?s?l??sa?b?n/ SIL-?-SY-bin) is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound produced by more than 200 species of mushrooms, collectively known as psilocybin mushrooms.The most potent are members of the genus Psilocybe, such as P. azurescens, P. semilanceata, and P. cyanescens, but psilocybin has also been isolated from about a dozen other genera. As a prodrug, psilocybin is quickly converted by the body to psilocin, which has mind-altering effects similar to those of LSD, mescaline, and DMT. The effects generally include euphoria, visual and mental hallucinations, changes in perception, a distorted sense of time, and spiritual experiences,.
Some users of the drug consider it an entheogen and a tool to supplement practices for transcendence, including meditation and psychonautics.[/color]"

Now i personally believe that the main and lasting value of what we do when playing with cars or bikes or ski or whatever---if we do it long enough and challenge ourselves is just this very last thing--the reach for trancendence, so maybe mandatory 'shroom prepped beater-cross could be a good developmental step on that road...


Folk-race having watched a few is impressively fast. They get going.. Gearing is found by many guys who get good cars that came with 15" who just go to 13", guys mill heads 2-3mm and use reground cams nastier than is common here on rally cars--and the tracks are Folk-race tracks---smoother for the innocent cars, wider, generous radius turns..

Not saying something like Beater-cross" is bad, or can't be done, but bouncing up and down in first, bog in second and getting stuck, unless on good drugs, doesn't seem it would be sustainable..

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Naw, it ain't that much fun, especially with shit-box shit cars..
Several times I've attacked moto-cross courses with some innocent unsuspecting Saab---which unlike the POS little shit box junk comes with nice 15" wheels, and has stock gearing at 4.88 so it has some axx.
And it was funny as hell but the honest truth is 2 times we had been smoking some pretty good spliff---and the other time we had eaten huge handfuls of Psilocybin 'shrooms...ahhhh my mid 30s...how i miss those days.. Well it could have been early 40s too---tee heee!

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

True-the video itself blew..waste of time ...but the venue ain't bad...and true-more dirt would be nice..but I'd do this....

Obviously these cars are prepared to a higher level$$$ -compared to the shitboxes in beaterx,rolling w ranch, etc.

But these cars could easily be used in other Types of racing if properly built.

Substitute the moto-x track talked about earlier for your local road race track(or possibly roundy-round plus some dirt)....

Here's some 2wd in-car from NJMP..I keep thinking it's me in front of the fiesta we're in....

Isn't that the guy that did STPR and came like dead last so he advertised his "fully prepared Focus" for a million dollars so he could buildf a Fiesta which his was as slow and advertised that for another million dollars?

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

True-the video itself blew..waste of time ...but the venue ain't bad...and true-more dirt would be nice..but I'd do this....

Obviously these cars are prepared to a higher level$$$ -compared to the shitboxes in beaterx,rolling w ranch, etc.

But these cars could easily be used in other Types of racing if properly built.

Substitute the moto-x track talked about earlier for your local road race track(or possibly roundy-round plus some dirt)....

Here's some 2wd in-car from NJMP..I keep thinking it's me in front of the fiesta we're in....

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

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I don't want one of these near us in Colorado. Because then I'd have to find a way to build another car.



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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

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I don't want one of these near us in Colorado. Because then I'd have to find a way to build another car.



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.............The problem with beater cross to me is a few fold.
1) I don't want to race a Neon, Pontiac, etc.



Yeah...Grant....you seem like a Chevy Cavalier type of guy.............:)





2) I don't want to put in multiple days/nights of working on a race car that will be very very quickly destroyed. (Yes, I know there is a risk in rallying of writing off a shell in the first race, but the nature of the race doesn't shortly destroy it.)



Good point......




3) I don't want to race in a series where the biggest factor is probably luck.




I can see that to some point.
I haven't watched too many of these races,but I'll bet the better drivers in beaterx still win more consistently than than the occasionally lucky ones..same could be said for folkrace..



4) I will not build a cage for someone to race in a series of that nature that seems to not follow international standards for safety. I won't race a car similarly.
5) Safety equipment, suspension components, and such are not something to be skimped on.


Valid points,but the speeds aren't high here....


Seriously though, if Chumpcar is too expensive for you, you cannot afford to race at that level. There are plenty of people that race autocross and/or rallycross that are perfectly content with the level of competition, money, etc. that are required and I fully respect that. There is never going to be a similar mid-level mid-cost competition of sorts that bridges the gap between rallycross and stage rally aside from TSD rallies, which have even less organizational barriers but don't seem to be common or rapidly growing..

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Chumpcar doing double duty at Colorado Hill Climb Association...

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There is no reason that a smartly built Chumpcar can't double duty in some stage rallying.

The problem with beater cross to me is a few fold.
1) I don't want to race a Neon, Pontiac, etc.
2) I don't want to put in multiple days/nights of working on a race car that will be very very quickly destroyed. (Yes, I know there is a risk in rallying of writing off a shell in the first race, but the nature of the race doesn't shortly destroy it.)
3) I don't want to race in a series where the biggest factor is probably luck.
4) I will not build a cage for someone to race in a series of that nature that seems to not follow international standards for safety. I won't race a car similarly.
5) Safety equipment, suspension components, and such are not something to be skimped on.

Seriously though, if Chumpcar is too expensive for you, you cannot afford to race at that level. There are plenty of people that race autocross and/or rallycross that are perfectly content with the level of competition, money, etc. that are required and I fully respect that. There is never going to be a similar mid-level mid-cost competition of sorts that bridges the gap between rallycross and stage rally aside from TSD rallies, which have even less organizational barriers but don't seem to be common or rapidly growing.

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Yeah-seeing all the stupid stuff they do that has nothing to do with racing at LeMons-I'd run ChumpCar instead of that if I were gonna cheap-roadrace....

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Because there is too much vaginal silicosis, that's why.

The last Lemons race I was even remotely involved with, the car that the competitors decided to have crushed (the oil glass engine-fucker treatment) was a 944 because it was a Porsche. Mind you, it was running in something like 122nd out of 124 entrants after twelve hours, but screw those guys we need to fuck them up.

Vaginal silicosis any time there are people sharing a track.

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We figured $4000/race for Lemons for everything including entry fees for all drivers if you already have a car. Tires and fuel and hotel and entry fees and fuel and broken things and stuff all cost money.

I can do a track day for $300 with expenses, and get just as much seat time, and it's just as much "racing" as Lemons is. And I can do it any weekend I want and I don't have to come up with some shitty art-car "theme" to do it.

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With costs similar(ideally substantially LESS!) than Chumpcar or LeMons.

What costs? Build cost or entry fees?
Our entry fee for the uncoming race is $250 per person. That's for 4-5 hours of seat time...
Build costs aren't going to be much cheaper. Overwhelmingly the expensive part is NOT the car but IS the running costs and the safety equipment.

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With costs similar(ideally substantially LESS!) than Chumpcar or LeMons.

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Beatercross does look the closest. Just need a bit more length and a little less car busting jumps.

Yeah-course is a tad short but since we probably aren't going to have a lot of pickins' as far as facilities to do this depending on where we live this is something we'll probably have to live with.

And the jumps-great for spectators-not so much for competitors wanting to run as many races as they can in a car with "stock suspension".

The beaterx rules for suspension..

"Stock suspension
(OEM or Aftermarket suspensions are okay, no
performance shocks,
no changing geometry or mounting locations, okay to reinforce suspension and shock mounting must remain stock"

What the hell does stock suspension-oem or aftermarket mean?
Probably-a dodge or moog coil is ok for your neon-but not a swift spring 1" taller and 50% stiffer?

How do you define a "performance shock?
Bilstein bad-monroe good?

Anyone know how strict these guys are with beaterx rules-or how long a car lasts racing it?

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Beatercross does look the closest. Just need a bit more length and a little less car busting jumps.

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Dirt cheap rally never happened, getting a dirt course to hold up for that long would be impossible. They wanted us to use street tires too which would come off the bead about once a lap.