How far do you go So I am starting to get more serious about dumping money in my legacy and well trying to see exactly what is going to be my go to rally. I for see only being able to do 2 rallies a year just because every rally I can go to (nasa rally because the leggy will still have a turbo) I live in OKC so as far as I can tell its pretty much a 2 day drive to anywhere. Is this typical for everyone? Also are there any other people from the south/midwest on here? And where do you go. I'm not complaining I am just making sure I am not making this harder than it needs to be. I know the guys competing for RA drive coast to coast but for me and my 2 weeks of vaca a year that is not possible. https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89381#msg-89381 Mon, 27 Apr 2026 07:14:39 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89477#msg-89477 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89477#msg-89477
Lots of people end up needing co-drivers. Sometimes waving a little cash will have them take on a newbie. You can always borrow equipment, I know I have let 3 people borrow my equipment for races this year alone, I don't ask for any money, just that it is returned cleaned up.]]> MConte05 Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:55:23 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89476#msg-89476 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89476#msg-89476 reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:33:51 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89475#msg-89475 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89475#msg-89475 czwalga Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:26:10 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89472#msg-89472 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89472#msg-89472
I really hope you can make it to Perryville. If it's travel money that is an issue, one of my good college buddies lives in Tulsa, and makes it out to almost all the local races, he volunteers every year at 100AW to see his buddies go racing. I can get you in touch with him and maybe you guys can carpool. And if you do make, be sure to say hello. I am always willing to talk about how to rally cheaply.

Blows my mind sometimes how much some people can blow on the sport with dismal results. Seeing things like "we are just here for fun" also boggles my mind... you are in a race, so freaking RACE. For me having fun is setting stage times that are near the top. Not puddling along at under 40mph. If you truely have that competitive mindset, then you are already better than half the field.

*EDIT* Responding to your Edits.

If you go with that mindset, you'll be saving up constantly, that's what seems to "get" people when building a car, they think they need this, think they need that, and 4 years later and $20k poorer, they go out on stage and end up second to last in their class. Not saying that is exactly how you'll go down, but that's the mindset you are portraying. The roads, especially in Missouri are incredibly forgiving for suspension. I would 100% go race on stock suspension for Perryville, thats what I did my first year. And I would maybe back off a bit on the southern loop stages at 100AW, but otherwise the other 75% of the stages are very smooth.]]> MConte05 Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:08:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89470#msg-89470 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89470#msg-89470
also to beat on suspension engine and trans, I prefer to not have to DNF because of broken suspension.
If I break suspension at a rally and can't get back going again, there goes 2000$ on an event, which I could have spent that 2000$ on rally suspension and been out the 2000$ or so, yes but now I know I don't have to just throw that 2g's away for running stock suspension. At least that is my arguement and maybe i am wrong again.

I also was worried about hurting the engine being de turboed. The car was 1000 bux and engine and trans were all in there. So when you say upgraded engine, I see it as this is free engine, use it wisely.

The original trans blew 2nd gear so swapped over wrx trans and swapped in the differential. Car came with 4.11 gearing. And LSD in the back.

This isn't another I need an STi to go rallying. This is I have a 1000 dollar car that came with some nice stuff and I want to rally it.]]> reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:58:47 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89469#msg-89469 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89469#msg-89469
On the stages where everything clicked for me at 100AW I was only a few seconds off top 10 or top 15 national times. Beating out plenty of SP and Open class cars. The car is 100% not holding me back, I still have a lot to learn as a driver (like braking wayyy later) and being more consistant. Some stages I am killing it, some others I just can't get in a rhythm. But that only comes with more seat time. Not a stronger engine, not better suspension, not a better transmission.

It sounds like you are being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn and will just be like 90% of the people who want to rally, talk big about what they think they need, but never actually do anything, and never heard from again.]]> MConte05 Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:37:11 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89465#msg-89465 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89465#msg-89465 reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:00:48 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89461#msg-89461 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89461#msg-89461 HiTempguy Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 13:25:35 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89454#msg-89454 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89454#msg-89454
not to take a jab at the competition, but when I ran rallyx I did amazing when it was just a local rally x, when it came to a national event with good drivers I got killed. So when you talk about perryville like that, it just sounds like a local rally x with more redtape and money, and yes a lot more fun, but I wouldn't make it sound extremely competitive.

That doesn't sound like a bad idea bypassing the turbo like that, so who knows I might end up doing that. Especially since I do already have 4.11 gears.]]> reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:36:40 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89449#msg-89449 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89449#msg-89449
I jacked up the idle to 2000 RPM's, and went a-racin'.

And know what? It wasn't terrible!

http://rally-america.com/events/2011/Perry1/results/

After 4 stages I was 24 seconds behind the huebbes. My other 3 stages weren't counted since we forgot to give the time card to sweep after I crashed at the end of Stage 7 (now affectionately named "Conte's Corner" ) but I was only a few seconds behind Tyler Witte, and the red mist set in when I was trying to chase him down to get 2nd place in OL.

I had asked RA to get a waiver for running the Legacy in a stock configuration. Hurst said if I did a track day with the car, or some sort of event at speed (above 2nd gear rallyX speeds) then he probably would have granted me one. But after the cost of a local track day ($300 + hotel + gas + tires) it was going to be cheaper to swap in an engine.

But I had fun with my turbo screaming, spooling up, blowing oil through the hood scoop onto the windshield, and going nowhere. It was hilarious having it stalling under hard braking. Overall it was a fantastic time that made for a great story of "my first rally". I don't regret a single bit of it.

*EDIT* FYI, 100AW is a 5 coefficent event, and PVille is 2. I have more than 18 coefficents and I plan on staying in Open Light for a long time, the competition in it is just awesome. Open is just unessecary, especially since a well driven OL car is going to win regional rallies outright, as proven several times this year.]]> MConte05 Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:41:58 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89446#msg-89446 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89446#msg-89446
If you stick with rally, the few hours and dollars you'll spend on the conversion will be a distant memory when you get fully infected and start going metriccrapton on the money and time. Even if the clouds parted and the sun shown down on you and poof! you could drive turbo AWD in RA, you have to choke it with a restrictor. So you would be down in there wrenching on the turbo anyway...]]> bknblk2 Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:56:26 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89443#msg-89443 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89443#msg-89443
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Just build a pipe with flanges in the same place as the turbo. bolt, drive, win! no racer ever has enough powah, but you will scare yourself straight at 100AW. Perryville is about the PERFECT first rally, good roads, laid back.

Unfortunately the midwest is Rally America country. Unless you are lucky enough to live in a major rally area, the Northwest, MI, etc. a 6 hour tow is going to be classed as "close" My "home " event 100 Acre Wood is 8 hours. If you want to run NASA events, that's fine, but you won't be happy with how many coefficients you will need to run turbo AWD in RA, Hint: years and years of two rally/years.

You will spend far more on towing than you will on unturboing the leggy.

But thats the great thing about rally, if you can find a ruleset that will let you, you can do what ever you like! Tow it to Mexico!

wow now I find RA even more ridiculous. 18 coeffiecients to run turbo awd. By the way the car makes probably 220whp and 200 ft/lbs of tq, nothing insane and i might be overexaggerating. And perryville gives you 2 coeffiecents and 100 acre wood gives 3? So your telling me that 80mph in a 2wd car is safer than 80mph in an awd car? Which weighs more 100lbs of feathers or 100lbs of gold.

Also I am in no way saying that I need the horsepower, I got the car for super cheap and just don't want to have to change out the engine. Were talking about an old legacy. Anyways yea I got my answer out of this thread, most people drive the distance and only do it maybe 2-4 times a year if that.]]> reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:26:02 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89441#msg-89441 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89441#msg-89441 reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:08:32 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89440#msg-89440 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89440#msg-89440
Unfortunately the midwest is Rally America country. Unless you are lucky enough to live in a major rally area, the Northwest, MI, etc. a 6 hour tow is going to be classed as "close" My "home " event 100 Acre Wood is 8 hours. If you want to run NASA events, that's fine, but you won't be happy with how many coefficients you will need to run turbo AWD in RA, Hint: years and years of two rally/years.

You will spend far more on towing than you will on unturboing the leggy.

But thats the great thing about rally, if you can find a ruleset that will let you, you can do what ever you like! Tow it to Mexico!]]> bknblk2 Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:40:40 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89439#msg-89439 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89439#msg-89439
That's starting to change with Magnum Opus, maybe other organizers will switch.

Your closest events are RA (Missouri, Texas)

Quick look at google and your 15-18 hours from a LOT of NASA events (South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, SW events).

The downside is not much real close, but you can hit a bunch of different events with a long single-day tow.

I did a 15 hour tow for West Virginia. It was a long day, but not horrible if you've got somebody to split driving duties.]]> fliz Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:23:01 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89437#msg-89437 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89437#msg-89437
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yea, iv'e seen Matt's vids of him cussing at the car going up a hill. Perryville is pretty far for just 20ish stage miles. I don't know if i would want to just be putting along. I have already driven a 1982 subaru wagon at rallycross and it is painful to drive with 60ish horses.

That was you?

I remember this beige-yellow DL bouncing like a bronco, driver not lifting, right past my worker station...

hah yea, keep her pinned, you might have seen my friend though if it was at nationals. He actually owns the car. So do most people in the midwest just have to tough it out and drive or go to missouri? I guess the consensus around here from reading the new build or buy thread is that most people only do about 2 rallies a year anyways.

also matt i was thinking about that deturbo idea and how did you run the exhaust after taking out the turbo? sounds like a lot of extra stuff going on here.]]> reecers Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:03:47 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89436#msg-89436 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89436#msg-89436
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yea, iv'e seen Matt's vids of him cussing at the car going up a hill. Perryville is pretty far for just 20ish stage miles. I don't know if i would want to just be putting along. I have already driven a 1982 subaru wagon at rallycross and it is painful to drive with 60ish horses.

That was you?

I remember this beige-yellow DL bouncing like a bronco, driver not lifting, right past my worker station...]]> Pete Rally Chat Tue, 01 Oct 2013 07:55:33 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89416#msg-89416 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89416#msg-89416 reecers Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:15:57 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89413#msg-89413 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89413#msg-89413
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right, i am not worried about power. My concern would be harming the engine because the old ecu would be doing all sorts of craziness not being used to no boost.

You mean it would run as if the turbocharger is producing no boost, as in probably 50% of the engines normal running time?

There would be no craziness. It would run perfectly fine. Might be (MIGHT BE, even then it is unlikely) a little rich with the hammer down, but definitely nothing that would harm the engine. Just dog slow. And considering that I've saw noobs go "too fast" for their own good in a 1.8L awd impreza, I doubt a turboless 2.2 will be too bad.]]> HiTempguy Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:06:36 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89405#msg-89405 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89405#msg-89405
And Perryville is 100% worth the drive for 36 stage miles. Fantastic roads, great great great stuff to learn on. I'd drive 6+ hours to the event if I had to.]]> MConte05 Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:26:05 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89401#msg-89401 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89401#msg-89401
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Take the turbo off, come do 100AW and Perryville.

There was a guy with a turbo legacy that simply removed the turbo and did a retune.

Lobby the Foggies to dump the idiotic rule since you guys seem married to Wawwie Amewicah

It was made on a ill-informed, not thought out at all whim, it can be un-made just as easily.]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:05:19 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89397#msg-89397 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89397#msg-89397 reecers Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:55:21 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89396#msg-89396 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89396#msg-89396
Your best bet is just taking the turbo off and running 100aw. Don't even bother with the retune. Your first event power will be the last thing on your mind.]]> czwalga Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:48:05 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89394#msg-89394 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89394#msg-89394 reecers Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:41:33 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89393#msg-89393 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89393#msg-89393
After the wreck, I bought a parts legacy from Chicago, and swapped that engine in. That thing started eating a quart of oil every 30 miles, so I swapped in another 2.2 that I got for $150. That thing has run strong ever since.

But yea, I only did Perryville and 100AW this year due to vacation days (saved for Honeymoon) and $$$ (saved for wedding). Otherwise its a 10-12 hour tow anywhere else.]]> MConte05 Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:40:23 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89387#msg-89387 Re: How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89387#msg-89387
There was a guy with a turbo legacy that simply removed the turbo and did a retune.]]> johnhuebbe Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:15:01 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89381#msg-89381 How far do you go https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,89381,89381#msg-89381 reecers Rally Chat Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:55:11 -0500