Time to cut that out! I figured since there is always talk of poorly done roll cages, I'd post some pictures... This is one of two cages that have been done locally in recent years that is a complete cut out and redo. Two friends have also cut out and redone door bars recently as well. Sadly no pics of the others. Full album: http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/05Stibuild/media/IMG_1330.jpg.html?sort=3&o=19 Teaser: https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93614#msg-93614 Tue, 07 Apr 2026 04:51:09 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93659#msg-93659 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93659#msg-93659 phlat65 Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 22:50:24 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93658#msg-93658 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93658#msg-93658
one ok bead, then "here you finish this up, I'm getting a beer"]]> Mad Matt F Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:38:02 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93657#msg-93657 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93657#msg-93657
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Wow.... This is my favorite. The intersecting tube isnt really welded to the

junction..

I like how they did not even knock the slag off the plate from the torch-cut.

Honorable Mention to the whiskers, inclusions, and bug-holes in the weld to the lower-right....]]> Creech Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:13:52 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93656#msg-93656 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93656#msg-93656
junction..http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/PS_RT_AFT_VIEW3.JPG]]> phlat65 Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 19:10:05 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93653#msg-93653 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93653#msg-93653
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Bolt-in cages are allowed both for R-A and NRS. There're rules for making the backing plates and mounting feet and the bolts - see App J Art 253.

You learn something new every day. I can definitely see the reason for good backing plates and mounting feet!]]> Robert Culbertson Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:13:21 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93652#msg-93652 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93652#msg-93652
Bolt-in cages are allowed both for R-A and NRS. There're rules for making the backing plates and mounting feet and the bolts - see App J Art 253.]]> hoche Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:37:27 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93651#msg-93651 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93651#msg-93651 I ask this because it seems that the expected fabrication level of rally cars has gotten insane. It's almost expected that you have a perfectly and beautifully welded cage (and the rest of the fab work).
Rally cages are some of the most over-built cage designs in racing, and that's a good thing. But I think there could be a lower level of accepted craftsmanship when it comes to cages (that are so seriously over-built that it's ridiculous). It seems like the expected craftsmanship costs 3x what the actually accepted level is. So in hopes of luring in new blood, wouldn't a significant reduction in build cost be a good thing?
Look at some of the cages in Europe. Bolt in cages are accepted ($2k from a manufacturer), and some pretty goober welded ones as well. What is the mortality rate of rally in Europe, or road racing for that matter. Most (all?) lower levels accept bolt in cages as well. In the US you can road race a bolt in cage. Why not rally one?
Just trying to think outside the norm today, staring at data all day will do that to you sometimes.

(Puts on flame suit and sits next to a drum of gasoline)]]> Robert Culbertson Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:17:54 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93650#msg-93650 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93650#msg-93650
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Oh christ, here's on Jason posted on specialstage.

http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/


Should post those come halloween - put is in the mood.]]> simoniac Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:15:18 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93649#msg-93649 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93649#msg-93649
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Oh christ, here's on Jason posted on specialstage.

http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/



That flesh-tone shade of paint gives it another dimention of horror.... I feel like I'm looking at a deformed living thing.]]> BobOfTheFuture Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:05:36 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93648#msg-93648 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93648#msg-93648
http://www.mouthbreather.net/chriscage/

]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:44:07 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93639#msg-93639 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93639#msg-93639 There was another Mike Hurst referred the owner to me to check out. It was sad as it wasn't horribly designed it just needed every weld redone and at that point, may as well cut it out. Same builder that tried to put a Subaru Customs Cage homologated cage into a Merkur and was pissed it wouldn't be legal. I felt bad, he's an old friend too, told him I'd try to help ease the pain (aka working for less) just to help get him out there. It's a cool car with a 3.3 H6 engine well done swap and all.]]> NoCoast Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:59:30 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93636#msg-93636 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93636#msg-93636
North American Rally Cage Builders Map]]> EricW Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:55:02 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93631#msg-93631 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93631#msg-93631 It's different when you are a business porporting to be skilled at and a specialist in some field..
That cage wasn't "in the heat of the moment"---yet it was handed back to a customer..
Sure engines can run despite a LOT of bad ju-ju. but that alleged welding shows savagery and arrogance.
wonder if they refunded him his money and time?]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 01:01:57 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93629#msg-93629 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93629#msg-93629
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Engines, though, have a remarkable amount of margin of error. There's a whole lot of scary stuff that we've seen come out of some shops that managed to work acceptably well. Cylinders with deep vertical gouges and a finish like they were honed with a roofing shingle, rings with huge gaps, horrendous port work, and so on... and more often than not if it doesn't fail right off the bat, then it's not going to fail.

Heck, I have a Golf engine that had a timing failure. Crank pulley broke, resulting in a massive head crash. Big divots in two of the pistons. No time to swap the engine (Lemons race), but we had another head so just swapped that on. Chiseled the piston heads back to sorta flat. Put it back together and ran it for another 14 hours at that event, and then it still seemed fine so we did a whole 'nother Lemons on it.

Grant, were you the one to lower the boom on that car owner and tell him it was a redo? If so, good on ya. That always sucks, but someone's gotta do it.]]> hoche Rally Chat Sat, 18 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93626#msg-93626 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93626#msg-93626
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Cylinders with deep vertical gouges and a finish like they were honed with a roofing shingle

That is a horrifically beautiful image you've concocted.]]> fiasco Rally Chat Fri, 17 Jan 2014 23:05:07 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93625#msg-93625 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93625#msg-93625 Pete Rally Chat Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:26:46 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93620#msg-93620 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93620#msg-93620
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This shop doesn't try to do roll cages anymore. They stick to building engines and selling schwag. Flat Four is name though if that is what you are asking. It's on like every picture if you go to the album too. :)

I did look at the album. But it does say something about their thinking, what they bite off, what they think about what they let go.
What sorta engine work they MIGHT decide is OK if they did this and left it and handed it back to the owner..
This is obviously horrible hatchet work and anybody can see it---and it made it out of the shop. What about what you can't see?]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:29:30 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93619#msg-93619 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93619#msg-93619 Pete Rally Chat Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:23:10 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93618#msg-93618 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93618#msg-93618 NoCoast Rally Chat Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:11:13 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93615#msg-93615 Re: Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93615#msg-93615 A good that people know where NOT to take their car, that's good advice if there ever was some.

Oh wait.....................



Oooops.]]> john vanlandingham Rally Chat Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:43:48 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93614#msg-93614 Time to cut that out! https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?1,93614,93614#msg-93614
Full album:
http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/05Stibuild/media/IMG_1330.jpg.html?sort=3&o=19

Teaser:




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