So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? Yeah-me neither....... Our American legacy as "The Worlds Policemen" goes on..only this time it's "Obummer style". What cha think Russia and Iran are gonna do? Discuss..... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88071#msg-88071 Mon, 27 Apr 2026 10:00:34 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,89473#msg-89473 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,89473#msg-89473 ]]> ryolse Off Topic Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:24:16 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88358#msg-88358 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88358#msg-88358
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Doh!!

I wouldn't worry unduly about mistakenly posting the wrong link on a forum. Far bigger mistakes have been made by governments......
Check this out from the UK for a "Doh!! moment".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html]]> danster Off Topic Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:28:55 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88357#msg-88357 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88357#msg-88357
I can't find the exact article right this second but pretty similar to this one. http://news.yahoo.com/ap-interview-putin-warns-west-syria-action-050109984--finance.html]]> heymagic Off Topic Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:10:53 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88355#msg-88355 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88355#msg-88355 NoCoast Off Topic Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:05:09 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88353#msg-88353 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88353#msg-88353 frumby Off Topic Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:48:35 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88349#msg-88349 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88349#msg-88349 NoCoast Off Topic Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:22:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88343#msg-88343 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88343#msg-88343
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/28/20230614-metal-detector-enthusiast-finds-northern-irelands-largest-weapons-haul-in-years?lite&lite=obinsite


I know they are all spinning tales but seems like the big O is a bit behind in this one.]]> heymagic Off Topic Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:21:38 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88310#msg-88310 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88310#msg-88310
But much more people need to realize that they have to take responsibility for their own actions. No insurance? Don't do high risk activities. Don't want cancer? Eat lots of veggies and don't smoke! Sure, people will still get sick, but if people just took real personal responsibility I think health care costs would drop due to reduced demand. But with a population that's 70% overweight and 'growing' tha doesn't look likely huh?

Anyway, thread creep... Obama pulled a very poor strategic move by waiting for congressional approval, but a pretty politically smart one. He doesn't have to worry about reelection. If congress votes against the idea then he wanted to do something, but listened to 'the people'. If they vote with him there are a lot of republicans with explaining to do in a year or so! And Hillary/joe can sit by quietly and not show cards!]]> frumby Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 20:36:21 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88305#msg-88305 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88305#msg-88305
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Big difference between Communism and Socialism, big split at the Second International back in 1892 when the French Socialist look at polling trends and saw they would certainly get a majority in Parliament in the '94 elections (which they did).
The Socialists said "Hang on, Marx said before workers can control the Government there must be a violent revolution, but we're going to get it by the ballot, what does this mean?"

The Communists said "Its a scam, they'll never let you excercise power blah blah blah--Marx said you have to have a violent revoltion, then ya gotta have a violent revolution"

They were wrong, the socialists were right.

Hell the gawddam Rooskie Bolshies shot Socialists and Anarcho-syndicalists.

Be that as it may, there should be a party to counterbalance the unrestrained power of trans-national corporations...

If its about power, there's more of us then there are them.

But the main point I thought was the thing about "theoretical and abstract thought and speech".

There's more of us, but they have all the money and peddle all the influence. Sure wish I could figure out a non-violent way of changing the system. With only two major political parties, unlocking the dysfunction is gonna be damn near impossible.

The only two national legislators I think are worth more than what my dog expels from his rectum are Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul (yeah, he's out, and his son seems to be a tea bagging hack). Largely different philosophies, but both seemed to stand for personal freedom (keeping the government out of your affairs). Maybe add in Kucinich, is he still in?

The Republicrooks and Kleptocrats are probably colluding on the hot button social issues like abortion (don't want one, don't get one); gun control (if you want to own massive firepower, please show mental and physical capability of operating, handling, and storing your hardware); LGBT rights (if you are consenting adults, please enjoy yourselves how you see fit and if you want to get married, rock on. If you don't want to do these things and they're against your personal belief system, then don't do them); and healthcare (medical science has advanced tremendously in the past century, but that shit's expensive, and the capitalist model the US runs with marginalizes anyone who doesn't have a good health plan, and the corportocracy we have is marginalizing more and more people every day. My new part-time job wants to work the part-time staff 30+ hours a week at random shifts...and does it in a way to ensure they aren't full-time benefits eligible, but they do 90% of the work of a full-timer at 70% of the pay without bennies and 125% of the hassle with rotating schedules at the whim of corporate minders).

OK, that was a wall of text.

Unfortunately, the Syria thing is a shitty situation. Poisoning civilians with chemical weapons is horrific, but here we are with (at least) 60 years of the US meddling in the middle east, and once again one group of primitive screwheads is fucking with another group of primitive screwheads. Yeah, that may be harsh, but damn those middle easterners like to hold grudges for millennia.

OK, I'm going to shut up now. Will look again later.]]> fiasco Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:53:41 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88300#msg-88300 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88300#msg-88300 The Socialists said "Hang on, Marx said before workers can control the Government there must be a violent revolution, but we're going to get it by the ballot, what does this mean?"

The Communists said "Its a scam, they'll never let you excercise power blah blah blah--Marx said you have to have a violent revoltion, then ya gotta have a violent revolution"

They were wrong, the socialists were right.

Hell the gawddam Rooskie Bolshies shot Socialists and Anarcho-syndicalists.

Be that as it may, there should be a party to counterbalance the unrestrained power of trans-national corporations...

If its about power, there's more of us then there are them.

But the main point I thought was the thing about "theoretical and abstract thought and speech".]]> john vanlandingham Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 18:21:49 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88288#msg-88288 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88288#msg-88288
Hey... (and take this in a friendly conversational debate tone) I don't want to pay your health care bills if you choose to smoke, drink, risk life and limb in a rally car, run on mountain trails at night, eat hot dogs etc etc.

I don't want to subsidize laziness. Everyone has a shot to work to better themselves. Simple as that. Sure, it's easier for a lot of people, and harder for a lot of others, but the opportunity is there for the taking for most. Sometimes it's not. Since the beginning of time life hasn't been fair, and their is no way to legislate fairness, it's just moving the unfairness around.

I need a government that will keep the infasructure together (the definition of that expands as we progress), appropriate levels of police, appropriate levels of military, and a government that will prevent the big greedy corporations from stomping all over us and the environment. Other than that STAY OUT OF MY SHIT!

Syria. Quite clearly a mess with no good solution. I believe he used chemical weapons to inflict terrible suffering and death on his own people. I believe this because I'm sure the Obama camp would prefer to not have to face this mess, and thus wouldn't have a good reason to fudge evidence. Our credibility is at stake because dumbass in chief drew a red line in the sand. Assad is evil, but if we knock him out we're probably helping a bunch of extremist terrorists. If we do nothing we give the green light to use this type of weapon against civilians by any regime anywhere. Awesome! The whole region is destabilized, and Iran is building nukes. They're watching to see if we really mean what we say. At least we've told everyone that this strike will be completely pointless, we've told him how we're going to do it, and we've taken enough sweet time that all their important stuff is tucked away safely in schools and hospitals. If some of my friends end up flying over there I would expect the missile threat to be high. Thanks.

Oh, Bengazi. You bet your ass there's a problem with that. On so many levels. And a huge government coverup. And no, I don't watch Fox News. Everything about is sucked, but mostly it was the coverup and refusal to acknowledge the obvious (organized attack), and the blaming of some schmuk who made an anti islam video (instead of sticking up for freedom of speech in spite of disagreeing with the message). It was all politics while good guys died. We should be angry about that... these people work for US!]]> frumby Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:47:34 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88284#msg-88284 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88284#msg-88284
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NoCoast
Ya'll had expectations of a GOP being a conservative or dem being a lib? They're all the same thing, corporate interest supporters. Sure they wave around flags and talk all Rush Limbaugh passionate about shit, but in the end, none of them give a fuck. You are ALWAYS voting for what you think will be the lesser of two evils. But they're all fucking evil.

The mess of 2 parties both being corporate shills is something done better in 'merikuh than anywhere else.
There is no counterbalancing force or party to corporate power...

Anymore.

Add to that the habit here in all phases of life that people think and speak almost always in theoretical or abstract terms... In much of the world people see that here, but here its the norm so nobody pays this much mind.
Thinking abstractly leads to the sorta shit we see in such simple shit as building and driving cars: parsing unimportant details to death, fighting about trivial shit, "debate" about shit where scoring a point is a "VICTORY!!!!" over the "enemy".

There should be (and that word should be forbidden) a party that simply represents ordinary wage earners--and the others, they can run their parties "The party of those with 90% "unearned" income" (like looking at Mitt Romneys tax returns of 20 million dollars, not a penny was from "wages", all of it was dividends, dividends from trust fund, interest on money sitting somewhere, not from working.

Of course a party that would claim to represent ordinary wage earners would have a hard time looking at "the Opposition" only in one country because the opposition is Multi-national....so it would be inevitable that it would hvae to be a cross-border outlook...

And then insular 'Merikuns would have to realise they are no different, no better, no worse than other wage earners everywhere---and that they must think they are the same-- and "the enemy" is the same..
And it ain't a bunch of fried brain camel (or goat) fucker tribesmen who are the threat. (effective range of the camel (or goat as the case may be) fucker's AK is around 350m)
Multi-national Corporations effective range is global.

So what Party could concern themselves with simple, concrete, ideas relating to ordinary wage earners as opposed to Corporate interest?]]> john vanlandingham Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:06:11 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88283#msg-88283 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88283#msg-88283
Welcome to the 1960s.

What is old is new again.

If you've never heard it, listen to Barry McGuire's "Eve of Destruction".]]> Jens Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:55:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88282#msg-88282 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88282#msg-88282 If anyone things the 'other' candidate would have made ANY difference in where the country is at today, you're fooling yourself.]]> Morison Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:40:26 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88278#msg-88278 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88278#msg-88278 NoCoast Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 10:59:09 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88274#msg-88274 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88274#msg-88274
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Wow .... the political theater yesterday with the so-called hearings was amazing. These fucks have already decided to go to war with Syria. Meanwhile John McCain was playing video games on his phone during the theater acting. He either was caught or hoping to be caught to expose the fraud (the latter unlikely).

There are so many movie scripts playing out here including "Wag the Dog". I wonder how long before "Seven Days in May" without the Kirk Douglas saving the country.

Yes, the GOP is NOT any friend of a Conservative (generally speaking!). Or a Liberal, either. (Classic sense - not these Totalitarians that hide-behind the "Liberal" signboard).]]> Creech Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 10:16:28 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88265#msg-88265 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88265#msg-88265
There are so many movie scripts playing out here including "Wag the Dog". I wonder how long before "Seven Days in May" without the Kirk Douglas saving the country.]]> Jens Off Topic Wed, 04 Sep 2013 05:12:49 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88237#msg-88237 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88237#msg-88237
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Iowa999
Bias is fine. It's to be expected. Factual errors that you never correct are something else.

Hows about the most common offense among those in 'Media' in the USA of.....

Republican does anything they can spin to be bad or even make it up.... Shouted from the rooftops until he/she is run out of office and life is ruined

Their team does any and all very real evil here at home and all around the world........ Nothing to see here...... Move along.]]> JohnLane Off Topic Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:32:47 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88236#msg-88236 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88236#msg-88236 Iowa999 Off Topic Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:25:29 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88235#msg-88235 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88235#msg-88235
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And we have PRISM going full-steam ahead, Benghazi, and now Syria.

If you think Benghazi is an issue, you need to switch of Faux News.

I don't watch Fox news.

I will say though: I always find it comical when people are so quick to talk shit about Fox for being biased. I guess biased news outlets are only an issue/talking point when you happen to disagree with what they're saying? I never see the neckbeard hipsters crying about CNN(Piers Morgan, holy shit...) and MSNBC.]]> b00sted Off Topic Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:59:15 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88219#msg-88219 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88219#msg-88219
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RALLYRS
Yeah-me neither.......

Our American legacy as "The Worlds Policemen" goes on..only this time it's "Obummer style".

What cha think Russia and Iran are gonna do?

Discuss.....

No idea with this shithead in office. He is far worse than Jimmy Carter (who was a horrible president).]]> Jens Off Topic Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:01:30 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88215#msg-88215 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88215#msg-88215 Jens Off Topic Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:58:15 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88213#msg-88213 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88213#msg-88213
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And we have PRISM going full-steam ahead, Benghazi, and now Syria.

If you think Benghazi is an issue, you need to switch of Faux News.

If you think that Fox news is the problem.... Pay attention to media around the world.... Note that the 'Mainstream Media' here in the USA speaks of one voice.... Ask yourself... Cui Bono?

Uh-oh.]]> JohnLane Off Topic Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:07:28 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88188#msg-88188 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88188#msg-88188 NoCoast Off Topic Mon, 02 Sep 2013 09:38:24 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88185#msg-88185 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88185#msg-88185
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b00sted
And we have PRISM going full-steam ahead, Benghazi, and now Syria.

If you think Benghazi is an issue, you need to switch of Faux News.]]> Iowa999 Off Topic Sun, 01 Sep 2013 22:43:44 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88157#msg-88157 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88157#msg-88157
Dumb asses!

Wonder what these douche bags will have to say when their 1st amendment rights are gone. Oh yeah... they won't be able to say anything.

BTW: recently saw some neat t-shirts etc with the NSA logo and below it something like "NSA is the only government agency that actually listens to me."]]> Jens Off Topic Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:34:19 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88151#msg-88151 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88151#msg-88151
Here were are a few short years laters...And we have PRISM going full-steam ahead, Benghazi, and now Syria.


I'd like to think that this will be a wake up call for the idiots that voted for him because he was cool, black, whatever....But I know nothing will come of it. His nutswingers will defend him until they're blue in the face. I actually heard this yesterday regarding Syria: "Well, if he[Obama] supports it, he must have a really good reason." This coming from the same person that went out and protested Iraq/Afghanistan multiple times because "we're not world police" and the President "has ulterior motives". Hypocrites.]]> b00sted Off Topic Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:07:38 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88149#msg-88149 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88149#msg-88149
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b00sted
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." -Senator Barack Obama, 12/20/07

Oh, but it's so much more ironic. The AUMF that Obama has been citing to drone the crap out of Pakistan, Yemen, etc, would allow Obama to get involved in Syria even if Congress says No ... as long as he came in on Assad's side.]]> Iowa999 Off Topic Sun, 01 Sep 2013 09:24:32 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88148#msg-88148 Re: So-You guys all on board with blowing the the crap out of Syria? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?2,88071,88148#msg-88148 Pete Off Topic Sun, 01 Sep 2013 08:14:02 -0500