BMW Compact Build

Re: BMW Compact Build

bruvs1 — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:47:13 -0500

Hockley kit was a pain to fit, so much so we cut the front arch off the hockley wings and grafted them on some steel wings to get the gaps correct, rear arches were ok , bumpers aren't great and had to go to great lengths to make good , we also have a sport front bumper that will be modded to fit eventually , finally finished are car and hope to test soon :-)

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DaveK — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:53:05 -0500

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Looks like your having fun with the pac dave?, whats with the engine?.

Certainly enjoying the hell out of it when its running!

Still haven't had a chance to dig into the engine yet...and now have another one that will need some TLC as well. If I'm lucky, it'll just be a set of bearings, but if it needs more than that, I'm looking for sub $1000 engine options so I can just drop in a new used motor.

Plan for the Compact over the winter is to get the Harry Hockly kit put on the car and get the S54 up and running. Loads of work! Also thinking about modifying the kit slightly so that I can run factory urethane bumpers as they take the abuse of getting run into stuff better than the fiberglass parts.

Dave

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bruvs1 — Fri, 06 Sep 2013 06:33:55 -0500

Looks like your having fun with the pac dave?, whats with the engine?.

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john vanlandingham — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:39:52 -0500

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john vanlandingham
38/41mm Pistons Left Leading MountAdvantage H-Type Radial Mount Caliper
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Add to Cart:

MSRP: $848.93
Our Price: $724.80
You save: $124.13 (15%)

Nice caliper, right sizes... Great price...
"'Advantage' - a new off-the-shelf brake caliper tailored specifically for use by club competitors and more hard-core track day enthusiasts"

Says right there tailored for club competitors.

4 of them---no pads is only $2900 plus UPS and hoses and pads and mounting...

A deal at twice the price.

WTF

Wot da fock wot da fock? Or

to be just a smidge more succinct:

Wot da fock youse wot da focking about precisely?

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heymagic — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 20:20:15 -0500

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Anybody know to what level Derik went with brakes on his M3? Seems that car really moves.

As an alternative...I wonder if stock M3 brakes could be clearanced slightly to clear a set of proper rally wheels? I'd imagine there are plenty of options out there for 2-piece stock replacement rotors.

Dave

Derik made his own setup using Brembo calipers and mounts he welded to the knuckles. Otherwise pretty similar to what Hintz has.

Derik only uses the brake pedal as a spacer between the clutch and gas pedal....and the gas pedal is screwed down to the floor...:bounce:

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Doivi Clarkinen — Thu, 05 Sep 2013 02:36:03 -0500

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Anybody know to what level Derik went with brakes on his M3? Seems that car really moves.

As an alternative...I wonder if stock M3 brakes could be clearanced slightly to clear a set of proper rally wheels? I'd imagine there are plenty of options out there for 2-piece stock replacement rotors.

Dave

Derik made his own setup using Brembo calipers and mounts he welded to the knuckles. Otherwise pretty similar to what Hintz has.

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DaveK — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 21:20:27 -0500

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Dave, thanks for the thoughts and feedback- the only cars I've rallied have been AWD and FWD, and I had the power to create brake squishiness with either, I never really thought about not needing to left foot brake as aggressively with a RWD car. I will probably look for a 325 or 328 stock setup. I don't know if what I have is the same as M3 or not, I was told it was from a 330, but I do know that there's no way any amount of caliper clearancing wil get 15" wheels over them- the 17" wheels on the car now are a tight fit.

I remember reading about the E46 330 stuff as an upgrade. One thing to keep in mind is that the M3 used different brake bolt spacing on the knuckles than the other E36 cars...so if you're after cheap spares...probably smarter to stick with the non-M parts.

Dave

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ericlangbein — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 21:14:39 -0500

Dave, thanks for the thoughts and feedback- the only cars I've rallied have been AWD and FWD, and I had the power to create brake squishiness with either, I never really thought about not needing to left foot brake as aggressively with a RWD car. I will probably look for a 325 or 328 stock setup. I don't know if what I have is the same as M3 or not, I was told it was from a 330, but I do know that there's no way any amount of caliper clearancing wil get 15" wheels over them- the 17" wheels on the car now are a tight fit.

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fiasco — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 20:48:37 -0500

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john vanlandingham
38/41mm Pistons Left Leading MountAdvantage H-Type Radial Mount Caliper
larger image
Add to Cart:

MSRP: $848.93
Our Price: $724.80
You save: $124.13 (15%)

Nice caliper, right sizes... Great price...
"'Advantage' - a new off-the-shelf brake caliper tailored specifically for use by club competitors and more hard-core track day enthusiasts"

Says right there tailored for club competitors.

4 of them---no pads is only $2900 plus UPS and hoses and pads and mounting...

A deal at twice the price.

WTF

Re: BMW Compact Build

john vanlandingham — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 18:46:38 -0500

38/41mm Pistons Left Leading MountAdvantage H-Type Radial Mount Caliper
larger image
Add to Cart:

MSRP: $848.93
Our Price: $724.80
You save: $124.13 (15%)

Nice caliper, right sizes... Great price...
"'Advantage' - a new off-the-shelf brake caliper tailored specifically for use by club competitors and more hard-core track day enthusiasts"

Says right there tailored for club competitors.

4 of them---no pads is only $2900 plus UPS and hoses and pads and mounting...

A deal at twice the price.

Re: BMW Compact Build

DaveK — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:33:10 -0500

Anybody know to what level Derik went with brakes on his M3? Seems that car really moves.

As an alternative...I wonder if stock M3 brakes could be clearanced slightly to clear a set of proper rally wheels? I'd imagine there are plenty of options out there for 2-piece stock replacement rotors.

Dave

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Doivi Clarkinen — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:26:38 -0500

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DaveK

Dropping $3500 on fancy brakes may not be required for these cars, but if you've got a better engine planned, that may change things. I'm inclined to say that given a RWD car doesn't get extensively LFB'd on stage as you would a FWD or AWD car, that also probably lowers the need for bigger expensive stuff.

Dave

I would agree with that. A good set of pads with the 325 brakes would probably be adequate for most people. Going to an expensive fancy setup as shown would give a better feel and balance but you may not need that much braking power unless you're trying to compete with the likes of Will Orders.

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DaveK — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:24:04 -0500

Is that the OBP pedal setup? Looks nice and engineered to get pushed up against the firewall from the get-go. I had to monkey with my tilton pedals to get them far enough forward that I actually fit without looking like a pretzel.

Dave

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Doivi Clarkinen — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:22:08 -0500

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Thanks folks- Doivi, I'm no expert in Swedish, but it appears that a kit is approx. $3600? Is that for front and rear? Do you have a stock m-cyl or dual with a bias bar?

JVL- looks like radial mount is the way to go.

I don't really know the exact costs, Dave Hintz ordered all that stuff.

Here is the m/c setup we are using:

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DaveK — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:34:26 -0500

I got non-M calipers for free from someone upgrading to M parts. Spent $100 on new rotors and got some R4 pads have raced on that ever since. Of course brakes at a hillclimb aren't a huge priority and I'm just getting started with stage rally (finished day 1 at Ojibwe and DNF'd - oil pressure related on day 2) so I'm not fast enough there to need the fancy bits yet, but haven't had one hint of an issue with brake fade.

FWIW, this also goes for using these cars at stock power levels (325 chump car, and the 328 coupe rally car) out at a road race track with no duct work on a 90 degree day. We did have the pedal get a little squishy at the 7 hour enduro race on the 325, but we're using all factory components (boosted master, fluid runs thru ABS module). We're going to try real good fluid (SRF) this weekend to see if that helps at the 12 hour...but honestly, I was the only one on the team that noticed a difference as whatever squishiness the pedal developed, it happened during my first 1:30 stint and never got worse during the weekend.

Dropping $3500 on fancy brakes may not be required for these cars, but if you've got a better engine planned, that may change things. I'm inclined to say that given a RWD car doesn't get extensively LFB'd on stage as you would a FWD or AWD car, that also probably lowers the need for bigger expensive stuff.

Dave

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NoCoast — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:20:07 -0500

Here's another option.
http://www.mammuttimotorsport.com/index.php/tuotteet/jarrut/jarrusarjat

Re: BMW Compact Build

ericlangbein — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:22:28 -0500

Thanks folks- Doivi, I'm no expert in Swedish, but it appears that a kit is approx. $3600? Is that for front and rear? Do you have a stock m-cyl or dual with a bias bar?

JVL- looks like radial mount is the way to go.

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Doivi Clarkinen — Wed, 04 Sep 2013 05:05:17 -0500

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Does anyone know of a kit or combination of parts available to bolt on aluminum calipers and aluminum hat/rotor for a E36 that will fit in a 15" wheel? The Ti w/s50 swap that I picked up already had big three hundred-some-odd mm rotors and big calipers from a 330i (17" wheels minimum), and now seemed like a good time to get a lighter setup than spending money on getting stock parts and upgrading later. Thanks.

Sellholm has a tidy Alcon setup. Of course, JV will go on a tirade because it's expensive and he didn't make it but just letting you know what's out there. If John makes an affordable JVAB setup that would be a great alternative. It'll have to have green rotor hats or something, though.

Sellholm kit:

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john vanlandingham — Tue, 03 Sep 2013 20:46:43 -0500

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ericlangbein
Does anyone know of a kit or combination of parts available to bolt on aluminum calipers and aluminum hat/rotor for a E36 that will fit in a 15" wheel? The Ti w/s50 swap that I picked up already had big three hundred-some-odd mm rotors and big calipers from a 330i (17" wheels minimum), and now seemed like a good time to get a lighter setup than spending money on getting stock parts and upgrading later. Thanks.

Dave sent me some of the parts so i could try mocking up something gravel friendlier but Bitchiner---maybe even if we're lucky Soooper bitchin-er.
First look---actually about the 5th look see says the gawddamn Nazi bastids could have been nicer with the lug center to center distance... Doesn't look easy for a lug mount caliper.. Gimme some time.

Thinking somewhere in the 280-283mm range and maybe 1.25" wide..
oughtter be fine for us.

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ericlangbein — Tue, 03 Sep 2013 20:19:06 -0500

Does anyone know of a kit or combination of parts available to bolt on aluminum calipers and aluminum hat/rotor for a E36 that will fit in a 15" wheel? The Ti w/s50 swap that I picked up already had big three hundred-some-odd mm rotors and big calipers from a 330i (17" wheels minimum), and now seemed like a good time to get a lighter setup than spending money on getting stock parts and upgrading later. Thanks.

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NoCoast — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:54:17 -0500

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Blue car still isn't started and I'm not bringing a compact, but we're going! LOL

Well, I guess we have kinda started it...

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DaveK — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:39:44 -0500

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Yeah, but I might be out of work after next week. Got another Chump cage coming in also.

If you get the blue car finished that fast....I'll run a rally this year. :beer:

Woo hoo~!!!! Someone's coming to a rally!

Blue car still isn't finished and I'm not bringing a compact, but we're going! LOL

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Dante — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:30:42 -0500

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Yeah, but I might be out of work after next week. Got another Chump cage coming in also.

If you get the blue car finished that fast....I'll run a rally this year. :beer:

Woo hoo~!!!! Someone's coming to a rally!

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DaveK — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:44:49 -0500

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Until I get the offset top mounts you want done, the ideer was to use the original top mounts.. The aluminum for your offset stuff arrived Friday.
I will be sawing it up tonight probably.

Sounds good - I will try to pull one off the car and swap in a 50 and see where it sits.

Quick question - any reason I couldn't use two of the 'locking perches' to hold the spring and thereby continue using 2.5" springs? Or another perch with a very thin dealio to locate the spring? I figure over time it might bugger up some of the threads...but considering once set I never adjust the ride height, is that really something to be concerned about? That would also allow maximum space for tires...and mean the growing pile of 2.5" springs I've got could still be useable. Just thinking out loud...

Dave

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john vanlandingham — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 16:06:31 -0500

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Bought a 'new to me' engine this morning and some 50mm things showed up over the weekend. Also made some good progress on converting the red 328 coupe to a 3-pedal wonder.

John - before I pull apart the 40mm stuff...will the 50mm ones fit into the 40mm top hats? Assuming that the goal is to check the mounting clearances and camber with the centered mounts first...then see if we need something different? Suppose I should also check it out on a car with standard front control arms too, huh?

Dave

Until I get the offset top mounts you want done, the ideer was to use the original top mounts.. The aluminum for your offset stuff arrived Friday.
I will be sawing it up tonight probably.

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DaveK — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:48:17 -0500

Bought a 'new to me' engine this morning and some 50mm things showed up over the weekend. Also made some good progress on converting the red 328 coupe to a 3-pedal wonder.

John - before I pull apart the 40mm stuff...will the 50mm ones fit into the 40mm top hats? Assuming that the goal is to check the mounting clearances and camber with the centered mounts first...then see if we need something different? Suppose I should also check it out on a car with standard front control arms too, huh?

Dave

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DaveK — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:46:08 -0500

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Yeah, but I might be out of work after next week. Got another Chump cage coming in also.

If you get the blue car finished that fast....I'll run a rally this year. :beer:

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NoCoast — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:41:18 -0500

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You're already backed up with projects. I bought steel in what...February...and there's still no cage in the blue car. ;)

Yeah, but I might be out of work after next week. Got another Chump cage coming in also.

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DaveK — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:14:30 -0500

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I hadn't gotten to the part where you pay me to do all the above mentioned swaps.

You're already backed up with projects. I bought steel in what...February...and there's still no cage in the blue car. ;)

Dave

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NoCoast — Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:12:00 -0500

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DaveK
You're not good at minimizing work, are you? That plan involves tearing the engine out, putting it back into another car and then doing yet another motor install. I wanna be lazy!

I hadn't gotten to the part where you pay me to do all the above mentioned swaps.