Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... Okay, So we're making efforts to put silly Justy back on stage. This is probably close to the rattiest rally car ever construed, but it's fun and cheap. With the current 70 odd hp, It doesn't go too fast (we're sorta working on that) With a 90 inch wheel base, it goes sideways all the time (big grin factor). It has monster big suspension travel (HA ha ha ha ha ) I would love to invest in JVAB Souperistbitchin boinger bouncy suspendin' things, but realistically we would be spending twice on the suspension what the car has in it. And it's a "dead end car" for fun. However, I'm about to do a major suspension and pick-up point strengthening project. Including boxing control arms, more seam-welding, more sheet metal (adding to the popcans that currently hold the suspension in place) The car weighs just under 1900 lbs ready to rock (off it's jack stands), I think I'll pull another 100lbs out, but likely add 25 or so in steel this weekend. Front springs are 185's, rears 250 (way inboard of wheel, separate from strut ) currently running tired out stock struts. OEM struts are now unobtainum (er well 300 bucks per at the dealer, not too many aftermarket Front pinch type at the hub, sorry no ears. Rear, ears at the hub, easy to make something fit there. I would like to find better dampers, what sort of valving should I be looking for in the junk yard, ie how heavy a car should I be looking at to find a strut that would give me: better damping but not over do it. longer travel stronger Or should I make up some tubes and get some Sensitrac inserts from something cheap. There is a bit of room to move the front strut towers up before they hit the hood, is this a likely decent way to help fit a longer strut? Rears are easy to build towers, but as said the spring perch is on the swing arm about a 10 inches from the hub. The strut/damper supports the hub and goes up into the wheel well. Sorry John, I don't have pics or measurements at this time, the car is 6 hours away, I'm headed to it for the weekend. I can post pics as soon as Thursday. Cheers, Matt https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43590#msg-43590 Tue, 14 Apr 2026 05:24:58 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54843#msg-54843 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54843#msg-54843
As for gearing with this beast, we do run dimes for wheels, so the massive 13" rally rubber helps keep the gearing, um, well somewhat lower. The car came with 12" wheels but try finding rally tires for that!]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:54:25 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54840#msg-54840 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54840#msg-54840
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Edward,

The diff is standard duty Subie stuff from the 80's. (the car is an 88), I think the same casting as a few others (GL, Loyal etc), although not sure... There were a few ratios for the Justy, we have the earlier, better (less fuel efficient) 3.7, there was another ratio 3.4 or something with the constant variable transmission cars, and I think it also was used in the next generation for a lower cruising RPM.

The car is pretty fun, light (er well kinda) at about 1900lbs ready to race. has no brakes and no motor, so it's hard to screw up...

Matt

1900 LBS!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!! That much!!!???
With that leeeeeeetle tiiiiiiiiiiiny itsy bitsy motor???
My mighty V4 is way overbuilt from the stock 1945 lbs and weighs 2015lbs and had a rip snorting 1965cc motor with 11.3 comp and BIG 44.5mm intakes and bad ass cam...and 5.45 final drive

And relatively speaking, big brakes.

You need moar motorz! And moar gearingz.]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:21:10 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54837#msg-54837 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54837#msg-54837
The diff is standard duty Subie stuff from the 80's. (the car is an 88), I think the same casting as a few others (GL, Loyal etc), although not sure... There were a few ratios for the Justy, we have the earlier, better (less fuel efficient) 3.7, there was another ratio 3.4 or something with the constant variable transmission cars, and I think it also was used in the next generation for a lower cruising RPM.

The car is pretty fun, light (er well kinda) at about 1900lbs ready to race. has no brakes and no motor, so it's hard to screw up...

Matt]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:28:15 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54835#msg-54835 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54835#msg-54835
what is that rear end ?
it looks like a toyota celica from 80s]]> tdrrally Construction Zone Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:11:40 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54824#msg-54824 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,54824#msg-54824
The sub frames are all back in, as is the rear diff, and half shafts. The engine harness is back in, and so is most of the under hood controls and components (no engine yet!) Dash was in and out about three times, pulled again at the end of the day, but close.

Still some more heavy work to do, but getting close, and looking more and more like a car!

Sorry for the poor pics, but I think there's a bit grease smudge on my cell phone lens!

Jeff painted the rear diff bright orange, I think that's good for at least 2-3 seconds faster per stage kilometer alone!





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John, anything over stock has at least semi sooper in the title! How's bout semi soopersomewhat bitchy?

Deal!
Semi-somewhat-Sooper-bitchy stuff and youse will be flying high in the mighty Justy!]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:16:29 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53764#msg-53764 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53764#msg-53764
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John, anything over stock has at least semi sooper in the title! How's bout semi soopersomewhat bitchy?

Sounds like my wife the morning after a bottle of wine]]> aj_johnson Construction Zone Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:50:48 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53763#msg-53763 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53763#msg-53763 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:46:49 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53756#msg-53756 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53756#msg-53756
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Yeah, we were yak'n last night and knew some of the dimensions were in the thread... ideas for something better then stock and maybe semi sooperbitchin is be mulled over.

Yeah but for now we're seeing if we can do something just "sorta bitchin".
You had a chance to talk to those inmates in this area yet?]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:40:03 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53749#msg-53749 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53749#msg-53749 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:53:23 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53731#msg-53731 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53731#msg-53731 aj_johnson Construction Zone Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:01:34 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53692#msg-53692 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,53692#msg-53692 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:32:37 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,49588#msg-49588 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,49588#msg-49588
St. Ambroise is a local (montreal) brewery producing several fine ales. Montreal and Quebec in general is known for sweet Belgian styles that I really don't go for too much, but we have a few breweries making some great hoppy brews. I know St. Ambroise Pale is available in Ontario, so it might be elseswhere...:beer:]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 23 May 2011 08:32:07 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,49537#msg-49537 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,49537#msg-49537
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I'de like more pics and stats about the beer on the fender. :beer:

don't think i've had that beer before.

Welding rust is thirsty work.]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Thu, 19 May 2011 16:52:49 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,49532#msg-49532 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,49532#msg-49532
don't think i've had that beer before.]]> A1337STI Construction Zone Thu, 19 May 2011 16:14:27 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48922#msg-48922 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48922#msg-48922 But w ill need to have a very accurate measure of the hole or the strut bottom where it pokes in. I think its 46mm.]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:13:51 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48917#msg-48917 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48917#msg-48917
One more for ya...

Looking down the massive spindle...

Matty]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:40:52 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48916#msg-48916 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48916#msg-48916
That's St. Ambroise Pale above on the fender... Mmmm mmm good, makes the welding go so much better.]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:32:29 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48915#msg-48915 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48915#msg-48915
piccies of the rusty justy...]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:28:51 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48914#msg-48914 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48914#msg-48914 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:26:40 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48913#msg-48913 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48913#msg-48913 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:24:23 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48912#msg-48912 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,48912#msg-48912
So another few days in on the car, 1000 miles to do it... really 1024 miles round trip...

The shell is looking good for a cheep azzed rally car.

Black Bear is outa sight unless I find an extra week in May and two extra thursdays to get sheet done.

John, as promised months ago, suspension has been measured, pardon the imperialistic measurements from a guy whose happy with 10th's of 10's but could only find an ancienne device to measure with...

Front tube 13.5"
Front total extended 23" ish
Front compressed 17" ish
Front diameter 1.75 (ish I can grab caliper...)

Rear tube 14 ish
Rear extended 22 ish
Rear compressed 17ish
Rear diameter 1.75 ish (again I can grab caliper)]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:21:02 -0500 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43680#msg-43680 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43680#msg-43680 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:33:14 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43679#msg-43679 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43679#msg-43679 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:32:00 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43677#msg-43677 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43677#msg-43677 Mad Matt F Construction Zone Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:30:18 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43676#msg-43676 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43676#msg-43676
I fer-got to take the mes-surments!

Here's the picces.]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:29:23 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43611#msg-43611 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43611#msg-43611
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Gene,

I've seen that clip before, and that car resides somewhere in the province I'm now living in!

The 2.5L turbo rally Justy has been routinely discussed... generally after too many wobbly pops and "Hell Yeah!"s. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) we started with the smaller and lighter Gen I which has 3 less inches of engine bay space (For a total of 6 inches HA!). The flat four swaps into the Gen II's generally require a pretty big shoe horn, so we'd need an even bigger one!

John,

There currently is no suspension on the car...

but we have a Gen II car as a parts car with all it's bits. Nothing really different other then a bit bigger spindles and brakes. I'll take pics of it.

Measure all the pert-nit die-menshuns and post them hopefully Thursday.

Next question for the dim-wit

How is damper valving measured? Is it weight and displacement over time?

Cheers!

Matt

Ahhh re-size re-size

Matt there's a million ways to measure damping, and every OEM has their own idears.
GM Europe specifies 0,39 m/s, and Saab says sumpin else, Toiletta says something different, of course.
That's why I use and recommend Bilstein cause they have expressed their valving in a consistent standard: stroke the thing at 0,52 m/s and what the valving generates is noted as a 1/10 notation of the newtons of force. So a car about 1000kg might have a front strut with "300/100" stamped in and that's 3000n rebound, and 1000n compression.

Because of this even a simple minded old grouch bullshitter like ME! can look at a buncha figures and extrapolate a "pretty damn good" number diddling for things like weight or leverage.
So it helps knowing things like weight of vehicle, weight balance, damper position and ALWAYS its good to know about packaging or wheel/tire relationship to the tube.
remember if we're changing to a copilover spring, to get enough spring travel, it's inevitable that it'll be longer and we need space (that's why plug in type knuckles like Xratty and MkIV Golf and Loyale and it seems you bugger are exercises in hair pulling---it's hard to skootch the strut tube over to clear the wheel/tire.

But get me some dimensions, post them here on this thread and lets see what we'ze can come up wiff.]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:57:39 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43604#msg-43604 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43604#msg-43604
-Jon]]> jrally Construction Zone Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:07:57 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43601#msg-43601 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43601#msg-43601
I've seen that clip before, and that car resides somewhere in the province I'm now living in!

The 2.5L turbo rally Justy has been routinely discussed... generally after too many wobbly pops and "Hell Yeah!"s. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) we started with the smaller and lighter Gen I which has 3 less inches of engine bay space (For a total of 6 inches HA!). The flat four swaps into the Gen II's generally require a pretty big shoe horn, so we'd need an even bigger one!

John,

There currently is no suspension on the car...

but we have a Gen II car as a parts car with all it's bits. Nothing really different other then a bit bigger spindles and brakes. I'll take pics of it.

Measure all the pert-nit die-menshuns and post them hopefully Thursday.

Next question for the dim-wit

How is damper valving measured? Is it weight and displacement over time?

Cheers!

Matt

Ahhh re-size re-size]]> Mad Matt F Construction Zone Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:59:28 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43596#msg-43596 Re: Suspension Gurus, Junkyard help needed... https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,43590,43596#msg-43596 http://www.streetfire.net/video/who-would-believe-it-a-justy-wrx-with-a-ej25-base_35203.htm

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