Volvo 240 Rally build

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

tdrrally — Sat, 26 May 2018 19:36:20 -0500

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Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 01:27:58 -0600

Gonna try! Working the amount I have been lately has made working on the car tricky. Really I am just making excuses though. I REALLY want to run with the amount of snow we've had!!!

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

ElectroTech — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 00:36:48 -0600

Bump for Cochrane???

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:04:06 -0600

Hey... ummmm whoever you are! Thanks for the advice. Since starting this repair I learned it is typically best to pull the damaged sections, prior to cutting the bad metal out and replacing. Around here body shop rates are significantly more than that. However I was lucky enough to have someone help me out by cutting me a deal on repairing it to a point where parts were tacked in place. It is now sitting back in the garage mostly welded up with both front and rear doors opening/ closing and sealing properly.

You mention the tape measure X thing... I did do some of that and measurements seemed to be reasonable. Not sure if I was doing something wrong or if I wasn't measuring the appropriate bits to actually realize where it was out.

Anyway glad you like the car! Its good fun when I haven't broken it! :drink: Should be a few updates to it this year if you fancy coming back to view. :)

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Bearhat — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:42:46 -0600

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In the future, when you wallop your car's structure, take it to a shop for a measure and pull if needed, then weld it up.

Or, barring that, bash it with a hammer until it stops rubbing. It's a race car, right? So long as you can get the latch working, eh.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Bearhat — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 19:47:06 -0600

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I atleast now know why it doesn't close proper... the bottom corner of the door is interfering where the b pillar merges into the rocker panel. You can see the scuffs where it has been hitting in the photos. Fyi it still hits with all hinges detached (did this to eliminate the idea that I could get away with just opening the hinge mounting holes up a bit)

So I took some measurements both vertically and horizontally. Things seem to match up with the good side of the car. With that in mind i am aware that body shells aren't known for being the most symmetrical of things.

From what I see separating the b-pillar is far from ideal: The inside portion of the pillar is actually stamped with the rocker panel. in other words moving the outer b pillar would result in some seriously misaligned panels.

Suggestions, ideas? Am i missing something obvious?

As a guy what writes estimates for a living, frame machine set-up is 2.0 hours standard. Not sure what your local body/frame rate is like, but around here it's $44 or so. This means less than $100 to have a bodyshop set it up on their machine and have it computer-measured via laser or sonic or whatever their system is. Hell, even tram gauges are better than eyeballing it. If you walk in to a shop, talk to them about your issue. Say you'll pay for set-up and measure and maybe a budget of a couple hours worth of pull.

Alternatively, g nuts with a tape measure running X's in symmetrical parts (good luck with that) or have someone with the same year and model run X's on theirs and compare to yours. Personally, I can generally just eyeball it and tell, but I've been doing this 20 years.

In this case, you taco'ed your car and bent the crap out of the left side right along the most important structural sidemembers (the a-pillar, b-pillar, and rocker), then tossed new parts at it with properly straightening it to begin with (ie on a frame machine with the right measurements). It's just not going to be properly straight, period. There's a reason shops do thing in certain order. That said, a body shop might be able to recover from the misalignment with some pull. They can certainly do it with some rework, but that ain't cheap. In the future, when you wallop your car's structure, take it to a shop for a measure and pull if needed, then weld it up. It seems like you've got the fab skills needed to do the repair, you just need a straight base to work with.

As an aside, cutting out the b-pillar on these will induce some sag. It really is that important a piece of structure.

I dig your car, by the way. It's literally the only thing I come here to read in the odd circumstance that leads me back here.

/lurkmode on

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:46:01 -0600

Thanks for the body shop suggestions! I've had a few rally guys also recommend him. I'm at the point with this where I need someone with more knowledge than myself to have a look at this.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

dreamsofjvl — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:27:19 -0600

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Do you know/have heard of Jan/John (pick whichever way you want to call him) out in Cochrane?
He'll tell you what is what if you can drop the car off. I was very happy with the $1k I spent with him after Rocky. It might cost some money as time is money, but he'll probably do an assessment for basically free if you bring it to him.

Highlander Auto Frame
(Polish Highlands)

That's the one. Just an awesome gent to deal with, I won't bother with anyone else anymore.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Not Trolling — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 22:06:17 -0600

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Do you know/have heard of Jan/John (pick whichever way you want to call him) out in Cochrane?
He'll tell you what is what if you can drop the car off. I was very happy with the $1k I spent with him after Rocky. It might cost some money as time is money, but he'll probably do an assessment for basically free if you bring it to him.

Highlander Auto Frame
(Polish Highlands)

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

john vanlandingham — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:16:06 -0600

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John: As a result of having still not watching that damn movie I can't say too much (are you really that surprised?) :drink: Though I may have to find use for the word bambleweeny.

Read the book. Or listen to the radio play. Or watch the TV programme. Or play the text adventure game.

Playing the text adventure game is about impossible without reading the book though, though it does take me back to 6 year old me trying to figure it out anyway.

Reading the book didn't necessarily make it easier. I remember running through every possible synonym for "planet" before finding the one that didn't get a "Who cares about dirt?" response from Ford. I mean, I knew what was expected of me to do, but dammit the game was just being frustratingly particular. Rather like a Vogon, in retrospect.

Either way, the book's old, the radio play is literally a day younger than I am and I'm... not 40 yet. The movie is some newfangled thing that we all got along without just fine for many years.

Also, one should read the Dirk Gently books as well. Help you see how everything is interconnected, whether it be record executives with their heads on (Japanese) turntables, or Volvo B-pillars that don't fit right.

I second Dirk Gently and his Holistic Detective Agency..May as well start off with something with a connection to this problem and read "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul"..

Howuzzat for a segue?

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Pete — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:26:02 -0600

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John: As a result of having still not watching that damn movie I can't say too much (are you really that surprised?) :drink: Though I may have to find use for the word bambleweeny.

Read the book. Or listen to the radio play. Or watch the TV programme. Or play the text adventure game.

Playing the text adventure game is about impossible without reading the book though, though it does take me back to 6 year old me trying to figure it out anyway.

Reading the book didn't necessarily make it easier. I remember running through every possible synonym for "planet" before finding the one that didn't get a "Who cares about dirt?" response from Ford. I mean, I knew what was expected of me to do, but dammit the game was just being frustratingly particular. Rather like a Vogon, in retrospect.

Either way, the book's old, the radio play is literally a day younger than I am and I'm... not 40 yet. The movie is some newfangled thing that we all got along without just fine for many years.

Also, one should read the Dirk Gently books as well. Help you see how everything is interconnected, whether it be record executives with their heads on (Japanese) turntables, or Volvo B-pillars that don't fit right.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

mekilljoydammit — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:18:39 -0600

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John: As a result of having still not watching that damn movie I can't say too much (are you really that surprised?) :drink: Though I may have to find use for the word bambleweeny.

Read the book. Or listen to the radio play. Or watch the TV programme. Or play the text adventure game.

Playing the text adventure game is about impossible without reading the book though, though it does take me back to 6 year old me trying to figure it out anyway.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

dreamsofjvl — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 16:30:19 -0600

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Eric Ewert
Making it functional. You've seen it in person and know it is far from a show car.

Edit: I should elaborate on the panel gap thing. They are out to the point where the doors bind up on eachother. It isn't an appearance concern its a matter of the things actually working.

Do you know/have heard of Jan/John (pick whichever way you want to call him) out in Cochrane?

He'll tell you what is what if you can drop the car off. I was very happy with the $1k I spent with him after Rocky. It might cost some money as time is money, but he'll probably do an assessment for basically free if you bring it to him.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

NoCoast — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:10:06 -0600

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Eric Ewert
Making it functional. You've seen it in person and know it is far from a show car.

Edit: I should elaborate on the panel gap thing. They are out to the point where the doors bind up on eachother. It isn't an appearance concern its a matter of the things actually working.

Snarky comment #2 - Hammer both doors?

Go to local body shop. Find guy with the Hoonigan sticker on his car. Recruit him to come over and check it out in trade for a twelver of Kokannee.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 13:19:35 -0600

Making it functional. You've seen it in person and know it is far from a show car.

Edit: I should elaborate on the panel gap thing. They are out to the point where the doors bind up on eachother. It isn't an appearance concern its a matter of the things actually working.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Robert Culbertson — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 12:57:11 -0600

Snarky comment:
Are you making a show car or a rally car? :drink:

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 12:33:53 -0600

Not sure if you guys are serious but that isn't happening, panel gaps are out too. Im starting to think the thing needs to take a trip to a frame rack/ jig thing and if need be pulled out. Does anyone have a factory service manual or something with proper datum points for measurement? I took some basic measurements before trying to fix this but i'm thinking I should dive a bit further.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Pete — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 12:21:18 -0600

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Eric Ewert
John: As a result of having still not watching that damn movie I can't say too much (are you really that surprised?) :drink: Though I may have to find use for the word bambleweeny.

Read the book. Or listen to the radio play. Or watch the TV programme. Or play the text adventure game.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

NoCoast — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 23:39:49 -0600

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Hammer, door, done.

Rally on

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 22:24:35 -0600

Don't tempt me, i've got a 10 ton porta power in the shop right now.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Mad Matt F — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 21:20:18 -0600

Hammer, door, done.

Rally on

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 20:47:19 -0600

Thanks for the tea enlightenment while I slog through this. Now that I know more than id like on the subject of tea...

I atleast now know why it doesn't close proper... the bottom corner of the door is interfering where the b pillar merges into the rocker panel. You can see the scuffs where it has been hitting in the photos. Fyi it still hits with all hinges detached (did this to eliminate the idea that I could get away with just opening the hinge mounting holes up a bit)

So I took some measurements both vertically and horizontally. Things seem to match up with the good side of the car. With that in mind i am aware that body shells aren't known for being the most symmetrical of things.

From what I see separating the b-pillar is far from ideal: The inside portion of the pillar is actually stamped with the rocker panel. in other words moving the outer b pillar would result in some seriously misaligned panels.

Suggestions, ideas? Am i missing something obvious?

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

NoCoast — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 18:33:53 -0600

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I'm sure there's plenty wrong with coffee, but keep in mind that tea plants are flourine accumulators and store flouride like crazy if watered with florinated water. So, if you use hippy toothpaste sans flouride, your tea is likely delivering more flouride to your body than flouride toothpaste.

Lots of hippy dippy info about it out there, but here's a research paper on the subject.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15237954

Well then, might just have to run a test on our ISE and figure out how much fluoride there is. Wife tests Fluoride levels in stuff daily at her lab. I know we've done tea for customers in the past as they searched for where the high level of Fluoride in their piss was coming from.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Paul Buck — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 16:46:06 -0600

I'm sure there's plenty wrong with coffee, but keep in mind that tea plants are flourine accumulators and store flouride like crazy if watered with florinated water. So, if you use hippy toothpaste sans flouride, your tea is likely delivering more flouride to your body than flouride toothpaste.

Lots of hippy dippy info about it out there, but here's a research paper on the subject.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15237954

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

dreamsofjvl — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 16:24:40 -0600

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Also tetley tea is the brand of choice round here, maybe id be more productive if it were pg tips!

PG tips is apparently available on amazon.ca . Tetley man myself, never understood the desire to drink coffee, if its winter and I'm in the shop, there will be a cup of tea out there with me :)

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

NoCoast — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 15:16:25 -0600

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I may need to switch over to tea for the shop. That's a huge savings over coffee.

https://www.amazon.com/PG-Tips-Black-Pyramid-240-Count/dp/B001EQ5JLE
4.5 cents, I stand corrected. Add in a little bit of sugar and splash of milk and it ends up around 10-15 cents per cup.

Move the pillar back a touch so the back door binds a bit and the front door closes easily?

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Paul Buck — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 15:03:16 -0600

Tea?

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Robert Culbertson — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 11:07:59 -0600

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Grant: You remember subaru using sumo wrestlers for promotion? That poster is a dealer poster my dad brought home for a laugh. Also tetley tea is the brand of choice round here, maybe id be more productive if it were pg tips!

I was guessing it was something like that but couldn't see the whole thing. Pretty funny, we have kitty posters and Taylor Swift calendars.
I think I pay around 2.5 cents per tea bag on Amazon which is why I like PG Tips. :)

I may need to switch over to tea for the shop. That's a huge savings over coffee.

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

NoCoast — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 10:12:01 -0600

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Eric Ewert
Grant: You remember subaru using sumo wrestlers for promotion? That poster is a dealer poster my dad brought home for a laugh. Also tetley tea is the brand of choice round here, maybe id be more productive if it were pg tips!

I was guessing it was something like that but couldn't see the whole thing. Pretty funny, we have kitty posters and Taylor Swift calendars.
I think I pay around 2.5 cents per tea bag on Amazon which is why I like PG Tips. :)

Re: Volvo 240 Rally build

Eric Ewert — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 00:22:48 -0600

So the whole "it'll be good to go by the end of the day" thing... like most of my ideas this one did not go as planned. Its tacked in place but im back to dealing with door fit issues. The rear one fits fairly well; door seals are sitting correctly, decent gaps, etc. However the front one is errant. I can get it to close but it binds. Anyone got anything to offer? Right about now i'm wishing I went for the 2 door conversion!

Grant: You remember subaru using sumo wrestlers for promotion? That poster is a dealer poster my dad brought home for a laugh. Also tetley tea is the brand of choice round here, maybe id be more productive if it were pg tips!

John: As a result of having still not watching that damn movie I can't say too much (are you really that surprised?) :drink: Though I may have to find use for the word bambleweeny.