Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber Been trying to think of ways to get to the starting line of the Mt Washington Hillclimb on the cheap(ish). Caging a car seems like a big pain in the ass, so I've been online looking at Sprint car rollers for sale. They're fairly simple, crud even and realtively cheap on the used market. I have an Audi 1.8T power plant and driveline on my radar and even found a bellhousing adaptor to mate a T5 gear box to a VAG product. Obviously, RWD. The 360 ci engines are good for..300-500 hp running on methanol and the rules I'm reading states that the complete race car with driver, less fuel needs to be 1370#'s. That's really light! If I added a 1.8t that is boosted to 250hp, it could be a very fun hillclimber. The whole thing is crazy, I know but just trying to come up with a solution to my urge to race. Thoughts? https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92846#msg-92846 Sun, 05 Apr 2026 08:16:47 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93044#msg-93044 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93044#msg-93044
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If they tested a rally car in the same fashion, the video might be meaningfull. Are you certain that a rally car chassis would fare any better? Are you doing Sandblast?

No It's scary in and of itself.
And yeah I am certain that even "just OK" rally shells are better...
With the proviso that they are a good fit and attached all over the place even if its just a .0625 thick tab.

The strength of the cage is one thing, the strength of the shell---which a pray people have bothered with some stitching---is another---the sum of the two things is greater than the 2 separate...

I'm dying of terminal snot disease so don't want to sit up, but it has to do with strength as function of diameter..radius squared to the 4th power and all that shit.


It's way stronger than the cage on my rally bike....]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:51:17 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93043#msg-93043 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93043#msg-93043
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If they tested a rally car in the same fashion, the video might be meaningfull. Are you certain that a rally car chassis would fare any better? Are you doing Sandblast?

No It's scary in and of itself.
And yeah I am certain that even "just OK" rally shells are better...
With the proviso that they are a good fit and attached all over the place even if its just a .0625 thick tab.

The strength of the cage is one thing, the strength of the shell---which a pray people have bothered with some stitching---is another---the sum of the two things is greater than the 2 separate...

I'm dying of terminal snot disease so don't want to sit up, but it has to do with strength as function of diameter..radius squared to the 4th power and all that shit.]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:49:25 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93041#msg-93041 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93041#msg-93041 crankshaft Construction Zone Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:22:35 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93015#msg-93015 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,93015#msg-93015




Very eye opening and while guys do like to race them...seems like a terrible idea when you're racing in an environment where sharp jagged rocks are the first thing you're likely to hit if you leave the road.

Dave]]> DaveK Construction Zone Thu, 02 Jan 2014 13:59:34 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92910#msg-92910 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92910#msg-92910
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This sounds like some class A fooling around, I am all in favor of it.



Here is some google-candy...
http://clunkbucket.com/canepa-open-wheel-porsche/

Damn, that thing is pretty cool. The rear view is wild.]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:54:57 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92908#msg-92908 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92908#msg-92908


Here is some google-candy...
http://clunkbucket.com/canepa-open-wheel-porsche/]]> alkun Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:25:41 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92904#msg-92904 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92904#msg-92904
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iam glad to see the Super Chicken has been addressed.
Not sure if you've followed his progress or not. The Chicken is really well sorted these days, it's got a new powerplant and runs well. He broke two hill climb records this past summer and was named NEHA's king of the hill for 2013. Impressive considering all the bad luck He's had in all the previous years. Paul is talented and his time at Libra has only improved upon his skills. I'm really looking forward to seeing him do well this year at Mt Washington.]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:09:06 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92903#msg-92903 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92903#msg-92903 BJosephD Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 17:53:53 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92899#msg-92899 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92899#msg-92899 NoCoast Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:37:22 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92898#msg-92898 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92898#msg-92898
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Link to the bell housing adapter?
I'd get in touch with Todd Cook at TCE in az. Successful sprint car hill climber.

Here you go....

http://lakewoodindustries.com/

part# RM-4082

Thread about the adaptor project-
http://www.motorgeek.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38205&start=100

I had a nasty crash on the dirt bike a month ago and destroyed my collar bone. I had surgery three weeks ago and had it all screwed and glued together. My plan was to run the entire Enduro series here and try to get enough points to advance to A class but I'm not even sure I'll be able to ride like that for awhile. The first ice race of the season is on the 19th of January and it's not looking good. First enduro is a winter event on the first Sunday in Feb. I rode around the front yard yesterday and it felt good to be back on the bike but thats a far cry from a days worth of nasty tight singletrack in the snow. I'll need to race something this year, I don't care what it is...turtles, trains, school buses...]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:24:50 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92897#msg-92897 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92897#msg-92897 http://www.babineaumetalworks.com/Projects_2.html
The guy is a crazy craftsman, way over the top for me obviuosly.

The idea of a tube frame is cool to me, easy to work on and cleaner. Here is some video from Mt Washington of my buddy Paul....




I've driven the Super chicken a few times and I've actually helped him over the years work on it and crew at times. It's actually my footage:awesome:
Anyway, to keep it simpler-ish... Welded diff in stock quattro trans, stock rear diff from an A4 with a shortened driveshaft. A local truck place builds them quick actually.
I could buy a caged car today if I wanted to but I think a custom buggy would be more fun. Maybe I'm just an idiot?

Here is another tube frame car owned by Gerry Driscoll, a local hillclimber folk hero. As I recall, he held the fastest trap speed at the straight away. He may still have it.


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After lots of hill climbing, the way to drive a sprint car is to charge the straights, try and get through the corner without spinning, then floor it through the straights again.
I think a decent hill climb Sprint car around here goes for $15-20k for any I've seen for sale.

A BMW Chumpcar can be built for under $10k. It wouldn't be a winning car but you could have fun with it and be able to take it out to track days and races. Build it right and you can do rallies in it also.

Caging a car is much easier than a Sprint car that has to have every mount in precisely the right spot if you want the geometry correct.

You're picture looks more like what we call Champ class or I call them stupid upright things. Basically a drag race in straights and slowly through corner trying not to loop it. Shit, I just described the same thing twice...]]> NoCoast Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 11:52:19 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92886#msg-92886 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92886#msg-92886
Sprint cars are super adjustable as far as suspension goes. This also means that they can be adjusted very poorly, very quickly. Car setup would be key on one of these cars. Also, most sprint stuff is super light and easy to mangle/bend. Most guys that race seriously have complete front ends they can swap out in a few minutes if they get tangled in a race, and if there just so happens to be a restart.

Sprint cars are awesome, and this could be a lot of fun. There are a few rounds round guys on this forum that can possibly help you with questions.]]> Robert Culbertson Construction Zone Sun, 29 Dec 2013 01:21:56 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92880#msg-92880 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92880#msg-92880 NoCoast Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:27:42 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92879#msg-92879 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92879#msg-92879 I'd get in touch with Todd Cook at TCE in az. Successful sprint car hill climber.]]> NoCoast Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:26:38 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92871#msg-92871 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92871#msg-92871
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What's a dink?

a knob, an oaf, a git, a chav, a plonker, a yob, a wanker...

but it least it ain't a dork.

Don't worry, its just the ol' "Two great nations separated by a common language" thing]]> john vanlandingham Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:02:14 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92870#msg-92870 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92870#msg-92870 Now if you'd said drinks income no kids then that would be closer.

Back on topic over here in sprinting and hillclimbing there is a class called sports libre where a lot of crazy contraptions compete.
Checkout this vid for the "how to beat turbo lag" tip. lol




EDIT, better vid]]> danster Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:32:04 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92868#msg-92868 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92868#msg-92868
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Wow, you totally misunderstood what I was saying and you're a dink I guess.

I think I understood fine, it was more my lacklustre attempt to sarcastically diss the rule makers that seems to have been misinterpreted. ;)
In the UK imo there have been several recent rule changes to rallying that seem to lack objectivity. EG> Some seats are now no good for rally, yet fine for use in circuit racing and sprints and hillclimbs. Fireproof helmets now needed instead of fire retardant, yet no rule requiring the mandatory removal of plastic dash parts that burn...
It all just adds to the overall cost of competing in rally when other similar motorsports disciplines do not need such financial commitment.

What's a dink?

hahaha, foot meet mouth! You Brits always throw me online, which is sad because I do the same thing. I agree 100%, I see it all the time in the construction industry. Codes are a funny thing and interpretation is a problem. Dink- Dual income, no kids....]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:19:11 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92864#msg-92864 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92864#msg-92864
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Wow, you totally misunderstood what I was saying and you're a dink I guess.

I think I understood fine, it was more my lacklustre attempt to sarcastically diss the rule makers that seems to have been misinterpreted. ;)
In the UK imo there have been several recent rule changes to rallying that seem to lack objectivity. EG> Some seats are now no good for rally, yet fine for use in circuit racing and sprints and hillclimbs. Fireproof helmets now needed instead of fire retardant, yet no rule requiring the mandatory removal of plastic dash parts that burn...
It all just adds to the overall cost of competing in rally when other similar motorsports disciplines do not need such financial commitment.

What's a dink?]]> danster Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 11:22:44 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92859#msg-92859 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92859#msg-92859



Found a trans adapter for a VAG powerplant that would allow me to use a T5 transmission. APR has a "chip" for the stock ECU that will eliminate the immobilizer and need for the cluster. Set of injectors and a K04 turbo and I'm in the 300HP range.
Spoke with one of the RA guys yesterday and they thought it would be fine for the hillclimb classes.

OR.... I could just write a check for a caged Subaru and blend in. Nah]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:21:15 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92858#msg-92858 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92858#msg-92858
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do sprinters have suspension, or rely solely on the chassis like my kart?

Here is a shot of the rear suspension, looks like a 4 link and I think they refer to them as a "live axle"..I think. Simple, adjustable and the AFCO stuff is cheap.



Front end....



The latest rage is to make them street legal, which is cool. Possible Rally solo car?
If you look closely, you'll see it has a cage smeared all over it hahaha]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:10:22 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92857#msg-92857 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92857#msg-92857
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"Caging a car seems like a big pain in the ass"

Ain't that the truth.
:eyeroll: Hmm, I wonder if that line would be enough to get a car through tech / scrutineering.....
"Hi Mr Scrutineer, you may not dig this but I'm a biker and live my life without the need for superfluous safety shit, and seeing as caging a car seems like a big pain in the ass I am just going to drive without one mkay".

Wow, you totally misunderstood what I was saying and you're a dink I guess.]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:05:22 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92855#msg-92855 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92855#msg-92855
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"Caging a car seems like a big pain in the ass"

Ain't that the truth.
:eyeroll: Hmm, I wonder if that line would be enough to get a car through tech / scrutineering.....
"Hi Mr Scrutineer, you may not dig this but I'm a biker and live my life without the need for superfluous safety shit, and seeing as caging a car seems like a big pain in the ass I am just going to drive without one mkay".]]> danster Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 06:52:08 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92849#msg-92849 Re: Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92849#msg-92849 Paddy1337 Construction Zone Sat, 28 Dec 2013 01:15:16 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92846#msg-92846 Sprint car chassis, mated to euro trash power plant-hillclimber https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,92846,92846#msg-92846
The 360 ci engines are good for..300-500 hp running on methanol and the rules I'm reading states that the complete race car with driver, less fuel needs to be 1370#'s. That's really light! If I added a 1.8t that is boosted to 250hp, it could be a very fun hillclimber.

The whole thing is crazy, I know but just trying to come up with a solution to my urge to race. Thoughts?]]> crankshaft Construction Zone Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:11:36 -0600