Winter Rally Tires Take a look at the new Black Rocket winter rally tires. Get them with or without studs. Tires take 4-5 weeks for delivery. https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93284#msg-93284 Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:42:56 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94105#msg-94105 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94105#msg-94105 But no, the tires were used for at least 2 big white events. in addition to ice racing.

and the studs were installed after the tires (6 of them) had been used for rally cross in dry oregon.

at this point i'd only put 2 of the 6 back on the car, but they are ~6yrs old. I'll take pictures.]]> acrane Buy, Sell & Trade Sat, 01 Feb 2014 13:28:11 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94074#msg-94074 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94074#msg-94074
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Morison
And most of the cars at the regional level are running Kumho winter tires, not the AO34s, which don't work as well on ice as a 'street' winter tire and they wear out quicker than 'street' winter tires when the stages get down to the gravel/dirt.

Plus, once you start ripping out studs on a 'WRC' studded tire they go off really quickly, so it is more likely they will be a '1 event' tire.

But why let common sense and facts get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Was there a conspiracy theory?
There was no common sense or facts listed in your post either. A little anectdotal description of difference between two tires and a likely unsubstantiated opinion.

Hey Adam, did you rip out a bunch of studs in your WRC tires when you ran Big White?]]> NoCoast Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:23:59 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94073#msg-94073 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94073#msg-94073
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NoCoast
Yokohama A034 are 235 or so a tire so the difference is what, $100 for the studs?
And most of the cars at the regional level are running Kumho winter tires, not the AO34s, which don't work as well on ice as a 'street' winter tire and they wear out quicker than 'street' winter tires when the stages get down to the gravel/dirt.

Plus, once you start ripping out studs on a 'WRC' studded tire they go off really quickly, so it is more likely they will be a '1 event' tire.

But why let common sense and facts get in the way of a conspiracy theory.]]> Morison Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:04:57 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94071#msg-94071 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94071#msg-94071
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Morison
the competitors involved that showed they didn't really want to spend $1200+ on a set of special order rally tires. (in other words, how could we ask a 'clubbie' to spend what they'd spend on two local events on JUST a set of tires for one event.)

Yokohama A034 are 235 or so a tire so the difference is what, $100 for the studs?

But Rocket Rally and RallySport don't sell anything but the A034 so why not make the rules such that they make that the best tire for the conditions? :)]]> NoCoast Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:51:07 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94068#msg-94068 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94068#msg-94068
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Yep. So much "we gotta FIA this, we gotta FIA that we gotta blah blah"
A couple of factors led to the stud rules in western Canada.
- A desire to stay within the lowest regulated standard withing the provincial Highway Traffic Acts.
- Feedback from the competitors involved that showed they didn't really want to spend $1200+ on a set of special order rally tires. (in other words, how could we ask a 'clubbie' to spend what they'd spend on two local events on JUST a set of tires for one event.)
- An understanding that 'WRC' studs cause a great deal of damage to the stage roads, particularly start lines, and damned near dangerous on paved roads.
- That's how we ended up with commerically available street studs as a reasonable option. The amount of stud exposed isn't legislated, so the long studs are fine. (In reality, anything over 2.5mm exposed will get ripped out fast anyway)


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Then pick and choose just this and just that..
Kinda like when we all agitated to adopt the F-cup cc to weight thing which SEEMS to have worked so well and for so long..
So if you don't like picking and choosing, if we adopted the cc to weight thing then you also advocate an outright ban on turbos? That's worked well for so long as well!]]> Morison Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:18:35 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94060#msg-94060 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94060#msg-94060
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NoCoast
We need a winter rally in Colorado that allows these fully studded tires. Create our own market! :)

Yep. So much "we gotta FIA this, we gotta FIA that we gotta blah blah"

Then pick and choose just this and just that..
Kinda like when we all agitated to adopt the F-cup cc to weight thing which SEEMS to have worked so well and for so long..
Nope couldn't leave it alone, "they" know better..
Pfffft!]]> john vanlandingham Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:53:38 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94053#msg-94053 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94053#msg-94053 NoCoast Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:50:01 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94044#msg-94044 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94044#msg-94044 Black Rocket sent us samples of studs. We added photos of these studs to the BR 50, BR 90, BR 110 and BR 120 product pages.]]> rocky mountain autosports Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:41:25 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94030#msg-94030 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94030#msg-94030
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acrane
would they glue in 135 studs per tire (per Canadian rules) and hmm, sipe the rest? then ship it over? I'd take 10 for Big WHite next year.

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WCRC Rules
4.0 Tire Studs
Studded tires may be used on Rally West or RPM events with the following limitations:
a) Studs are only allowed on events outside of Manitoba that take place from October 1st to April 30th of the following year
b) Studs are only allowed on stand-alone regional events, not on National / Regional
combined events.
c) Studs must protrude no more than 3.5mm from the tread face.
d) The visible portion of each stud must be no more than 5mm in diameter, and any cross-section of the visible stud (as originally in stalled) must be perfectly round in shape, and must be of solid construction, not hollow.
e) The studs must be commercially and commonly available, and of conventional design, from tire dealers in the Rally West or BC regions (i.e., no homemade or specially imported studs).
f) There must be a maximum of 130 studs per tire, regardless of tire size
g) Studs must be run on all four corners of the car
h) All studded tires must be presented to the scrutineer before they can be used on an
event
i) Studs cannot be replaced in, or added to any tire for the duration of the event once the tire has passed scrutineering.
j) Studs are permitted in all Region classes
The WCRC rules for reference, a couple of items bolded.
John, the 130 max came from the lowest stud count in the relevant provincial HTAs.]]> Morison Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 31 Jan 2014 00:14:31 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94021#msg-94021 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94021#msg-94021 SVENSKA BILSPORTFÖRBUNDET
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acrane
would they glue in 135 studs per tire (per Canadian rules) and hmm, sipe the rest? then ship it over? I'd take 10 for Big WHite next year.

I think the big issue would be:

The visible portion of each stud must be no more than 5mm in diameter, and any cross-section of the
visible stud (as originally installed) must be perfectly round in shape, and must be of solid
construction, not hollow.

And I believe it is 130, but I always seem to hide my latest copy of the RallyWest regs...]]> HiTempguy Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:02:07 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94013#msg-94013 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94013#msg-94013
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acrane
would they glue in 135 studs per tire (per Canadian rules) and hmm, sipe the rest? then ship it over? I'd take 10 for Big WHite next year.

Thats the max allowed? Not "xx per decimeter of tire"?]]> john vanlandingham Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:01:10 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94009#msg-94009 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94009#msg-94009 acrane Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:28:38 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94006#msg-94006 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94006#msg-94006
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rocky mountain autosports
As long as they are not studded they should be legal in most all US rally racing. I would verify with sanctioning (RA, NASA, SCCA, etc) body to be sure.

Yeah, but where is the Fun in THAT?

B)]]> Creech Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:00:03 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94000#msg-94000 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,94000#msg-94000 When I was importing these a couple of hundred went to ice-racers in Maine---pretty high powered cars running hard and fast (hell first lap I did I did over 100 mph on the straights and I couldn't really see out cause of the fixed seat--and thats rpm vs tire not the speedo) 2 seasons and the guys said maybe 2-3 studs had spat out..

In motor-cross for studding we used either OLD Dunlops or Continentals, both we said then "made from worn out screwdriver handles"...we would never think about those tires for summer use since they were just too gawddam hard.

I know people have used Michelin C5 unstudded for snow---and they did no better than me on Michelin L3s---and those were horrible compared to my street car Nokia NR09s in 165/80 x 15.

I would be very very wary of using these unstudded...
Perhaps for the guys where a little sanity prevails and some studs are allowed, they could forward the spec and the max size and that could be forwarded and get studded and glued in, maybe?]]> john vanlandingham Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:43:04 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93999#msg-93999 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93999#msg-93999 rocky mountain autosports Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:52:05 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93998#msg-93998 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93998#msg-93998 Towona Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:45:51 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93309#msg-93309 Re: Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93309#msg-93309 Paddy1337 Buy, Sell & Trade Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:16:09 -0600 https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93284#msg-93284 Winter Rally Tires https://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,93284,93284#msg-93284 Black Rocket winter rally tires. Get them with or without studs. Tires take 4-5 weeks for delivery.
]]> rocky mountain autosports Buy, Sell & Trade Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:38:52 -0600