I'm sorry guys. I just don't buy it.

Here's a state-of-the-art, 3-axis accelerometer. It's already being used in cars. It retails for about $60.



I'm not saying anyone who performs this service to the rally community doesn't work hard to provide it. I'm just saying I don't see it as being the mystical black art that warrants just one person or outfit handling things. This entire system could be duplicated in the form of an easily operated unit which could be used with any vehicle by any organizer.

Meh.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
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DR1665 Wrote:
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> I'm sorry guys. I just don't buy it.
>
> Here's a state-of-the-art, 3-axis accelerometer.
> It's already being used in cars. It retails for
> about $60.
>
>
>
> I'm not saying anyone who performs this service to
> the rally community doesn't work hard to provide
> it. I'm just saying I don't see it as being the
> mystical black art that warrants just one person
> or outfit handling things. This entire system
> could be duplicated in the form of an easily
> operated unit which could be used with any vehicle
> by any organizer.
>
> Meh.

Damn doooood , didn't I scold you thoroughly enough over on SS.com?
If you're not careful, will taunt you a second time silly English knighit!
>
> Brian DR1665 | Phoenix, AZ
> Have a lucky day.

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And the odo that goes with this? And the laptop? Or does it take two of those? And the software to integrate all the data. Hardware is but a small part of the cost.

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RichardM

I'm not sure what RNY is using now, but we used the org created/supplied notes in IRNY '05. They were fairly good, but had to be re-written so that my Co-D could rattle them off quickly/predicatably. And if we had not had a full recce I would have been crawling on the stages since I wouldn't have been able to build any confidence in their accuracy prior to the start. So while they may have been theoretically cheaper than Jemba it required the better part of a day to recce/make adjustments and then all night to re-write into a usable (for us) format. The amount of time/effort it took to re-prepare those notes made me a fan of Jemba...

Haha. JVL. I couldn't tell if you were scolding me or using me as fodder for your sarcasm towards those who see this as some magical process that nobody could ever duplicate.

I fart in your general direction.

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
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Richard Miller Wrote:
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> And the odo that goes with this? And the laptop?
> Or does it take two of those? And the software to
> integrate all the data. Hardware is but a small
> part of the cost.
>
> RichardM

The odo is a full Coralba @ $1000 which would be a 1 time investment.
The software will run on a fairly slow laptop - I have an old IBM600X PIII that could handle it.

There is certainly a cost associated with the time it takes to stage note a rally.
- Kris

DR1665 Wrote:
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> Haha. JVL. I couldn't tell if you were scolding
> me or using me as fodder for your sarcasm towards
> those who see this as some magical process that
> nobody could ever duplicate.
It IS a totally magical process, only a Supra-PRO person could HOPE to do this job!!!

It's too silly to take seriously.
>
> I fart in your general direction.
>
>
>
> Brian DR1665 | Phoenix, AZ
> Have a lucky day.

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My simple solution: Dont buy notes, then go out and kick some ass on tulips. Its much more satisfying to beat blue subarus on tulips. Plus your codriver gets to take naps.

I voted "I dont buy notes" on your SS poll.

Notes are for wimps!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2008 05:13PM by Carl S.

Carl:

We'll take it to the logical next step - no co-drivers. You got your book - be a stud. Co-drivers are for pussies.

And frankly, screw even sanctioning the events. I've done a lot of fun shit without ever worrying about paying anybody anything.

Now that is fun.

Wilson


Carl S Wrote:
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> My simple solution: Dont buy notes, then go out
> and kick some ass on tulips. Its much more
> satisfying to beat blue subarus on tulips. Plus
> your codriver gets to take naps.
>
> I voted "I dont buy notes" on your SS poll.
>
> Notes are for wimps!
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Jan 14, 2008 by Carl
> S.

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"Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain

I never took a nap while you were driving. Other drivers in Subarus on Notes....

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You should have taken a nap, then I could have slept on the way back from the stages friday night at LSPR and you could drive the rally car.

If you wanted me to sleep you could have taken a softer line through Echo Lake. Now why aren't you on MSN right now?

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
> His choice and I say its a scam and a half. The
> costs are outrageous and its bullshit to say
> that's "what it costs.

You know, that what I say about Bitchy Super Pooper struts. I heard a guy builds them in his garage and acts like he is doing people a favor charging what he does while not making all his expenses public knowledge. How hard can it be assembling a strut and making a clever name? Surely we can find someone to build them in their shed for less.

Another topic where you have no fucking clue but feel the need to enter insults and date your crusty self as a has-been on the keyboard to inflate your ego. Its so much easier than actually competing in a rally. All those NFGs are beating you with every rally they enter. The rally knowledge you once had is ancient history. Everytime I visit this site its like getting lectured on geography by Christopher Columbus. Brilliant in his day I'm sure, but we collectively know much greater now.

Come play and learn how the game is played now or stay home and shut up already.

CommanderSalamander Wrote:

Hey SHITHEAD you've yakked about how fucking hard it is and yet you, a mere limpwristed softie co-driver, a glorified fucking sack of potatoes somehow managed that and survived all the hard work driving a street car down rally stages.
WHoa! what a man!
What an idiot.



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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> > His choice and I say its a scam and a half.
> The
> > costs are outrageous and its bullshit to say
> > that's "what it costs.
>
> You know, that what I say about Bitchy Super
> Pooper struts. I heard a guy builds them in his
> garage and acts like he is doing people a favor
> charging what he does while not making all his
> expenses public knowledge. How hard can it be
> assembling a strut and making a clever name?
> Surely we can find someone to build them in their
> shed for less.

Why don't YOU?
Oh I forgot, you're a fucking pencil push service "manager" or whatever the fuck you are?

>
> Another topic where you have no fucking clue but
> feel the need to enter insults and date your
> crusty self as a has-been on the keyboard to
> inflate your ego. Its so much easier than
> actually competing in a rally. All those NFGs are
> beating you with every rally they enter. The rally
> knowledge you once had is ancient history.

One thing loser: YOU have and will never know 1/4 becuase you head is so big FROM SITTING IN THE CPO-DRIVERS SEAT.
Some fucking expert!!

> Everytime I visit this site its like getting
> lectured on geography by Christopher Columbus.
> Brilliant in his day I'm sure, but we collectively
> know much greater now.

What an idiot.
Why don't you actuall build a rally car, build the cage, build the box, wire it ---don't hire in help or have your father-in-law do it--you do it numb niut., and then you build the motor and then wait
WAIT

YOU DRIVE IT.
and do top 10 stage times SINCE YOU SMUG SHIT THINK YOU'RE SO FUCKING brilliant.

>
> Come play and learn how the game is played now or
> stay home and shut up already.

Sitting on your ass reading shit handed to you IS difficult, I have done it twice now, but just learn your fucking limitations Shindle, you are a fucking JOKE when you yap like you do.

It really makes me wonder if you're mentally unstable so great is your unjustified conceit at being a fuckin Co-DRIVER---and nothing else.


And don't start yapping about your poncy lame ass fucked up street cars, fuck your street cars.
For that matter fuck YOU.


By the way shithead, I have asked your driver, an admirable sportsman, and a good driver, what the fuck your proiblem is and he says he knows you have some fuckin boil on your ass towards me but thinks it unreasonable and embarrassing for you and he wishes you would act like an sportsman and a man and bite your fucking tongue.

And by the way cocksucker, unlike the magnificent overachiever (pencil pusher) YOU , there are many who are not master engine builders, welders, cage builders, suspension specialists, brake experts, and it seems that many of them are HAPPY to receive advice on these subjects and having more native intelligence than you, if not your familial connections, they understand that even a 20 year old spec of build will let them have a stronger and safer and importantly you egomaniac, more fun car THAN THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE OPERATING BLINDLY.

If you had perhaps made more efforts at sharing your decades long experience of building all they rally cars you've built and all the rally gearboxes you've built and all the welding you've done, and all the brake sysytems you've built, and shared with them all you've learned driving, then they could be building even awesome-r cars, and have awesome-r brakes, truly fantastic suspension, faster and cheaper motors, and of course such valuable driving advice.

Oh that's right.
Dave Shindle, asshole Mazda co-driver, has done NOTHING of these things and has SHARED NOTHING except caustic bitter comments.

Shindle, you are a NEVER WAS and as an ex World Championship friend, and ex house mate in a sport far harder than the shit you think you're so cool cause you do loved to say:
"Better a Has Been, than a Never Was"
So eat shit Shindle.

You're pitiful.
`

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But tell us how you really feel.