Anders Green Wrote:
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> david amor Wrote:
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> > I get tired of the subaru bashing which has
> NO
> > basis in facts. ...
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> You say some interesting things David, but you
> forget that I'm the primary motivator of all the
> subaru bashing, so blame me.
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> Anders


Yeah I saw the buttons...

So are you telling me you'd like to co-drive for JVL at North Americas penultimate event?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/07/2008 08:13AM by david amor.

In my humble opinion, WAY BAD IDEA

getting in the news once about being wreckless could truely screw the US rally world. My pet peev is the folks spinning doughnuts and doing burnouts between heats at the rallycross as they go back to town for slurpees and cheetos. I feel like it is pretty important to put forth a resposible image, and to actually be as safe as possible. This ain't no disco.

The only answer is to do like old hippies, go in together and buy some land in boonyville

-berto

Eddie Fiorelli Wrote:
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> Since I'm the one who brought up Subaru in the
> context of operating costs and sustainability let
> me say again that I was under the impression that
> running a WRX long term has a much higher cost
> than running a older G2 car. It seems logical that
> for the cash strapped regional competitor it may
> not be a long term viable platform.
>

Exactly. I mean, I love my STI as a daily driver. My orginal plan was to cage it and rally it in several years after I got some miles on it. However, just looking at the cost of the car and support made me think about it twice.

But now I'm more focused on doing a G2 and eventually building a G5 car later down the road. In my opinion, MaxAttack! makes me want to stay in the 2WD area. Lots of competition at MaxAttack! events, cash payouts if you stay on the road, and a side championship in points.

I know the whole point of MaxAttack! is to keep costs low by having 3 races a year, but still towing out to Oregon is a long haul. I know Eric was trying to setup a shipping company to send out the cars early and we meet out there with a flight, which if that works out, would be awesome.

For any event, I'm not really one to complain about taking time off work, as long as I'm doing something that day. I really don't like the idea of driving days just to get to the event, and then doing the same to get back. Taking off a Wed-Friday seems reasonable for me to do a Friday/Saturday race and drive back Sunday. Maybe compressing schedules with tech/practice/recce in one day so it's not actually adding a whole day to the event. I don't know how long they usually plan a recce for, but it seems to me a one-pass + a practice stage runs would seem fair? I might be bad at suggesting some of this stuff since I've never actually run a rally and LSPR will be my first, but I've at least been around watching them for years now.






> Yes, I could be wrong and if in your experience it
> would have worked out the same for you Gp2/Prod
> 2wd vs Open/Prod AWD, cost wise, I'll take your
> word for it (with a wee bit of skepticism for good
> measure). I'm guessing the bashing comment must be
> from threads past because I really don't see any
> bashing in this thread, nor did I see any affront
> to the awesomeness of the Subaru as a rally
> platform (indeed 460ft/lbs does sound like a lot
> of fun ).
>
> Now on to your offer, is the idea that someone
> breaks your car and then you show us how cheap it
> is to fix it? I'm confused.
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> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Sep 7, 2008 by Eddie
> Fiorelli.

david amor Wrote:
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> Well you're right. Not this thread specifically
> but there seams to be a growing consensus that
> subaru=evil.

Subarus are evil. Subaru is Japanese for the Pleiades, which is a cluster of stars in the Taurus constellation. In astrology, Taurus is a feminine, negative sign. "They are termed 'negative' because they are supposed to be naturally less communicative, more receptive and more sensitive than the fire and air triplicities, known collectively as the positive signs*."

So you see? Subarus are non-communicative, overly sensitive bitches. Of course, I'm deeply entrenched over here at the Mitsubishi camp where we distrust any vehicle which, at WOT, sounds like a 4G63 on three cylinders.

What Rambo rally?

/glares at Anders

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alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

I think Brian is on to something. I've played enough RPGs to know that a corporation with a name like Fuji Heavy Industries has to be evil.



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Eddie Fiorelli Wrote:
> I've played
> enough RPGs to know that a corporation with a name
> like Fuji Heavy Industries has to be evil.

Yeah. There's no way FHI doesn't have a personal experimental bio-armor division... that will go horribly wrong during one of the first test sessions.


"Hmm.... looks like somebody with initials A.G. signed off on this budget item... when we find that guy, we'll know who to blame, then we can take Fuji down."



Anders Green

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

What? The AG Machine has international reach? OMFG.

Oh yes. I have may fingers in many sinister pies:

Money Laundering:
http://www.ag-globalservices.com/

Transportation of illegal goods:
http://agcorp.com/

Undercover operations and disguise:
http://www.aghaircosmetics.com/

And our fundraising division:
http://ag.org/

You didn't think I could destroy rally world wide with just one web site, did you?

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

"Klahn has been connected with every sort of nefarious activity. You name it - opium, weapons traffic, assassination, motion picture distribution... "

There are way too many posts for me to keep reading. I think rally will die if you let it. If you continue to resist the popularity of the sport with "idiots" then it will die. The guys watching Fast and the Furious are actually the guys who pay for you guys to rally. They buy stuff for their subies to be like the "rally Guys" and those manufacturers can then support real rally racers. If they are only making money on other racers then it will be difficult for them to do. I think the sport lies in the X-Games extreme sports guys. It lies in kids seeing it on TV and watching a few events to fall in love and give money to the sport. So if you wanna support it and let it grow. Dont be afraid of change and the "nub" coming in to rally. Share it with everyone you can.

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Maverick Wrote:
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> The guys watching
> Fast and the Furious are actually the guys who pay
> for you guys to rally. They buy stuff for their
> subies to be like the "rally Guys" and those
> manufacturers can then support real rally racers.

Pretty neat writing here, I can't tell if you're being serious or not. It sounds like you're being serious, and then I read it again and think you must be joking. Its as if you wrote a paragraph that's the literary equivalent of this




Bravo!








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Oh no Maverick, now you've gone and done your flyby of the rally anarchy tower! All that I will say is that you're mistaken to believe that rally's existence here or anywhere depends on any manufacturers. It's actually very dangerous to depend on manufacturers, and possibly just as dangerous to depend on people that are into the latest fad, especially if they think it requires shiny expensive cars to start.

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Eddie Fiorelli Wrote:
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> Maverick Wrote:
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> > The guys watching
> > Fast and the Furious are actually the guys
> who pay
> > for you guys to rally. They buy stuff for
> their
> > subies to be like the "rally Guys" and those
> > manufacturers can then support real rally
> racers.
>
> Pretty neat writing here, I can't tell if you're
> being serious or not. It sounds like you're being
> serious, and then I read it again and think you
> must be joking. Its as if you wrote a paragraph
> that's the literary equivalent of this
>

Except it is completely false.
Kids buying hideously fugly bumper skins and scoops and stupid 19" wheels and 6" stainless steel exhaust tips contributes NOTHING to SRTUSA nor to JVAB Imports, nor to any event Organiser.
In no way does it help anybody or anything connected to rally.

And since the rise of the fooofy imitation Japanese comic-strib look a like car "tunerzerz" scene I am not aware of a single person crossing over from that "scene" to gravel rally.
Reason?
They have their own social reinforcement mechanisms, that is magazines, meets, shows etc where they can get cred for their cars--appearance and so called "spec".

They'd have to actually DRIVE a car to even try to get cred in rally and all the attention is already lavished onto "they that pay for the media coverage".
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> Bravo!
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> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Sep 11, 2008 by Eddie
> Fiorelli.

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I think what the guy meant was that the guys buying the ricer crap is what makes those ocmpanies profitable so that they can bankroll the rally guys' efforts.

What? Nobody bankrolls rally guys in the US?

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Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Pete Wrote:
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> I think what the guy meant was that the guys
> buying the ricer crap is what makes those
> ocmpanies profitable so that they can bankroll the
> rally guys' efforts.
>

That is basically what I meant. If guys think light-bars, rally tires, and awd off-road cars are cool then the more likely sponsorship will be for "real" rally guys. Also if it is culturally cool then people will buy merchandise that may not be actual rally parts but maybe t-shirts n the like. Fanboys who buy stuff cause they like to watch it. They may not participate but they buy shit so companies will invest more into the sport. Seeing companies like DC, Monster, Rockstar, Redbull, and the like gives me hope. Those companies have nothing directly to do with rally but they pay for guys to race and popularize the sport with other cultures. Shit like the X-Games will help with the sport for sure. The "purest" in rally will hate it but those are the guys who kill stuff anyway. Keeping it the same not allowing it to change to become more popular. If it never catches on, there will always be grassroots racing so you have nothing to worry about if you want to spend thousands on racing each year.

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