Brembo blanks and PBR pads

Wheres the cheapast place in my area.

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Worst combo I ever heard of,,, WTF!!!

What are you trying to do?

cheapest place is in front of your computer. google.com

I've NEVER seen pbr sold locally at any store, or blanks either.

88rotors comes to mind for the blanks. they will drill whatever to your bolt pattern, too.

I've got the brembos AND PBRs at the same time for my volvo, from fcpgroton.com and ipdusa.com before as well.


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1990 Mazdog Protege 4WD
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Cosworth Wrote:
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> Worst combo I ever heard of,,, WTF!!!
>
> What are you trying to do?


Well I've used Ferodo DS3000 and fancy slotted rotors sinsce the cars Inception.

Now I can be honest with myself that I'm NOT BRAKING AS HARD AS GUYS WHO ARE GOING MUCH FASTER.

Now I want to rally as much as possible which means I gotta be CHEAP. Theres nothing wrong with oem rotors (I do have Grp N brakes) and I know several people I trust who are using metalmasters or ultimate PBR's with no problems.

That's what I'm "trying to do"

Dave

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Ferodo pads are far from good. The 3000 start cumbling just bellow 1000F (yes the compound starts to break up) and they dont last at all and they're priced the same as the good stuff. (PFC and Pagid)

What car do you have? Are you upgrading the disks and calipers or just the pads?
Metal masters and the PBR's arent real racing pads. Plus they use clay and led as fillers so they WILL fade.

I think you may be the first person in 112 years that thinks Ferodo's are crap lol. I think they are very very good but expensive.
I can't find any N/A retailers for Pagid/PFC?????

What's evryone using?

also

What's wrong with porterfield R4's?

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The porterfields go through rotors like a mother.. We've also used some raybestos racing pads with the same effect (they were actually recommended to us by racingbrake.com...the porterfield guys, after we described out useage)

I don't like hawks simply for the reason that they are all "hype"...and too expensive.

I've run the Brembos, which are a GOOD quality, reasonably priced rotor for years (it helps that i have a sponsor supplying them).

I've also been through several PBR pads on several cars.

A set of Metalmasters lasted 2...almost 3 years of Rallying in a P4 Subaru Legacy Turbo (3100+lbs). After the 3 years they were starting to get worn down, and we replaced them.

I personally used the Metalmasters on an "open light" class Impreza (~2800lbs), for a full season, including several track days (could do 10+ laps with no fade).

I swapped to the "ultimates" after i trashed a brake caliper (broken drive shaft)...i liked these also.

With the ultimates, they did stand up to the abuse of a real "open" class car for several stages, putting in top 3 national times... However at the end of every stage they were smoking, but never did fade.

I'm now about to try out a set of EBC's, as i've spoken with them, and they swear up and down that they will work (and i got a "trial" set)

Dave...give me till after PN, and i'll let you know how the EBC's work out.

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david amor Wrote:
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> I think you may be the first person in 112 years
> that thinks Ferodo's are crap lol. I think they
> are very very good but expensive.

I dont "think" they're crap... I KNOW they are not worth their price and when put through the paces Ferodo IS crap. The DS3000 compound starts to come appart at just under 1000F and they wear SUPER quick. Why do you think they're good, is it because it comes from Yorupeland? I dont see any top race teams use Ferodo.

I know that some WRCs were on PFC's for a while. Not sure about now. 206 and Xsaras.

Actually at the 24 Hours of Daytona, the top brands were PFC for pads, disks and calipers and Alcon/AP calipers and Pagid pads. Didnt see 1 car with Ferodo, so I might not be the only person in 100+ years Moreover, Brembo's were lasting 8 hours vs 12-13hours of the PFC's.


> I can't find any N/A retailers for Pagid/PFC?????
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> What's evryone using?
>

Both Pegasus and Raceshopper has PFC (Performance Friction) call Mike at Pegasus. 262 317 1212


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> What's wrong with porterfield R4's?
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Nothing worng with them but they're just relabeled pads from someone else. I'm not sure who makes the R4's but I know they use repainted PFC pads. I can check that if you want.

A lot of "racing brake" companies are nothing more than just relabeling companies. Willwood buys pads from hawk for example and those use chalk/clay fillers.

funny, we always used Porterfield R4s with great success, both in rally and track applications. Didn't seem any worse on rotor wear than other race pads. They are not repainted pads from some one else, they are their own compounds.

ron

Cosworth Wrote:
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> I dont see any
> top race teams use Ferodo.
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VSC uses ds3000, and while they may not be a "top race team" in the worldy sense they're going faster than anyone else here in the states.
Maybe you use the brakes too much?

We used ds3000 all last season with no issues. Rotors lasted just fine and the pads wore about halfway, for the season.

Umm Frank Sprongle won a bunch of championships on them. Peter Thompson won a championship on them.Pat Richard only lists Ferodo's on his site. Matt Iorio seemed to do pretty good on them. Mine have always lasted a LONG time even with very heavy LFB'ing.

How many Championships have YOU won.

And what's all this talk about road racing???

Maybe it's different in your area but all the top Canadians are on Ferodo's from what I know.

I'm still willing to try PFC/Pagid though especially if there is more VALUE to them. I don't care about rotor wear now cause I'm gonna run plane jane cheapish (not made in China) rotors which I have a good stock of.

Dave

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Ferodo DS-11.
Kind to discs, works with bright orange rotors.
Best ever.

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OK been searching for 2 days for anywhere in N/A that STOCKS and has PF or Pagid applications for subaru grp N brakes. $10 bucks to anyone who can find a site where I can order online.

I can have ferodo's in 1 day.

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Ok guys, I work in the industry and know a thing or two about brakes and the dynamics of a braking event. So please dont start with the usual "what have you won" comments or comparing what other drivers or teams use and what success they have because its not just the brakes that bring that success. Instead you should ask what kind of proof do I have to warrant my comments that the Ferodo pads are not worth their price. What I can do is show you dyno data and test results on several pads out on the market that show that Ferodo amongst others in their price range SUCK! But when comparing to shit like Hawk, willwood, cobalt EBC, raybestos, mintex, carbotech, etc, then the Ferodos fare well.

As said before, top race teams like Chip Ganassi for example use Performance Friction, Brumos uses Pagid, but what do they know, they only came 1st and 2nd at the Rolex 24 this weekend`. But I guess VSC knows better because someone in europe with a Ferodo sponsorship told them it was the shit, so we all monkey see monkey do. Oh wait geeez I almost forgot, some F1s use PFC carbon on carbon disks and pads. Formula Nippon as well for that matter.

The Ferodo compounds have good initial bite, modulation, and release characteristics, but at high temps 900+F the material starts crumbling, the wear rate is very high and the disk abrasion is pretty high as well. An examle of wear would be the Ferodo pads lasting 5 hours of racing vs Pagid and PFC 10-12. Same goes to disks, Alcon/AP/Brembo disks last about 8-10 hours at Daytona vs PFC disks 12 hours



david amor Wrote:
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> OK been searching for 2 days for anywhere in N/A
> that STOCKS and has PF or Pagid applications for
> subaru grp N brakes. $10 bucks to anyone who can
> find a site where I can order online.

I'll send you some info tomorow. Keep the $10 and dont be so dependant of buying stuff online. Did you contact Pegasus?

Cosworth Wrote:
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> but at
> high temps 900+F the material starts crumbling,

But the question is, do our brakes see 900+ in rally applications enough for it to matter? I never tested brake temps, so I dont know. But our pads never crumbled apart, so maybe they werent getting that hot and were working just perfectly fine for our application.