DooWop stuff

heymagic Wrote:
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> Doug Heredos Wrote:
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> > Ok, Gene. But I'm going to have to drink 3
> of the
> > 6 PBR's that I bought for you because of
> this.
> >
> > DH
>
> Damn, I hate to hear that....you would have been
> amazed at the last meeting. The amount of people
> voicing an opinion about the route books was
> amazing. Even a first time volunteer was fussing.
> Concerns from somehow getting an advantage,
> cheating and the best.."they'll find out where the
> stages are." After a couple minutes I honestly
> just gave up, no patience anymore. I can't
> imagine what it's like in Congress most days.
>
>

Yeah like they're going to run out with their spare rally car they kept cleverly hidden, zoom out and run the stages 4-5 times then guzzle monstrous quantities of Red-bull all day long to stay awake, all just to beat John Lane in the 240 Volvo.

Grip on reality a bit loose there amongst the worry warts.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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>
> Yeah like they're going to run out with their
> spare rally car they kept cleverly hidden, zoom
> out and run the stages 4-5 times then guzzle
> monstrous quantities of Red-bull all day long to
> stay awake, all just to beat John Lane in the 240
> Volvo.
>
> Grip on reality a bit loose there amongst the
> worry warts.
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

Well, someone did it at a rally sprint a few years ago! They even did the stage with the rally car (no parc fermé at that rally sprint).

I think 2-3 years ago it also happened at Perce-Neige.

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Francois

Francois Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> >
> > Yeah like they're going to run out with
> their
> > spare rally car they kept cleverly hidden,
> zoom
> > out and run the stages 4-5 times then guzzle
> > monstrous quantities of Red-bull all day long
> to
> > stay awake, all just to beat John Lane in the
> 240
> > Volvo.
> >
> > Grip on reality a bit loose there amongst
> the
> > worry warts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
> Well, someone did it at a rally sprint a few years
> ago! They even did the stage with the rally car
> (no parc fermé at that rally sprint).
>
> I think 2-3 years ago it also happened at
> Perce-Neige.
>
>
>
>
> Francois

However,,,90% of the entries have 90% of the roads memorized, almost like cheating on an open book test. Now I don't think Jason would cheat, I know Doug wouldn't. Since we run on mostly public roads they could drive them anyway. So seems like much ado about nothing.

boooooo hsssssssssssssss

heymagic Wrote:
> 90% of the entries have 90% of the roads memorized

THIS.

(as is the usage on Fark.com, shorthand for "Sir, you have most eloquently expounded on exactly the point that came to my mind, and, indeed, did so sooner and with more clarity that I myself could muster. Therefore, with my hat off to you, I bid you and the rest of the patrons goodnight, as there is nothing of import left to discuss."



Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

ah, I recall being upset a year or two ago because they wouldn't put up the damn spectator information until only a few days before Oregon Trail because they didn't want people out there running around on the stages

so all the people I knew that wanted to go from up in WA had no way to plan in advance what time they needed to be where, etc

they know there's a rally outside of hillsboro, anyone can go out on those public roads before hand, they may get it right, they may get it wrong, but good grief, what's wrong with letting them know 2 weeks before instead of 2 days before?

No worries, Gene. Thanks for trying!

Doug

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Yeah like they're going to run out with their
> spare rally car they kept cleverly hidden, zoom
> out and run the stages 4-5 times then guzzle
> monstrous quantities of Red-bull all day long to
> stay awake, all just to beat John Lane in the 240
> Volvo.

I had to make a number of trips out to Aberdeen (from Bainbridge) a few years ago and included passes on Smith Creek and Brooklyn on each trip so I would be familiar with the roads when competing in Doo Wop. I would call notes into a voice recorder and compare passes to see how consistent I was judging things. I even wrote the notes down at one point.

However, mechanical DNF/DNSs before reaching Brooklyn meant that I never got to use that knowledge in competition.

alan

I did catch a couple competitors on stage the day before a rally once. It was a new stage that hadn't been used before. I don't know how they found it. They withdrew their entries.

With the number of in car videos nowadays there aren't too many unseen stages.

12xalt Wrote:
> good grief, what's wrong with letting
> them know 2 weeks before instead of 2 days before?

Two days is insufficient time for the local upset residents to get the town board together and pass resolutions that stop the rally. Often (even with all the signs and notices) they don't pay attention till there are cars on the roads.

That's one thought, anyway. Plenty of other possibilities exist, including some that are stubborn, etcetera. No telling for sure.

Cheers,
Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

heymagic Wrote:
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> I did catch a couple competitors on stage the day
> before a rally once. It was a new stage that
> hadn't been used before. I don't know how they
> found it. They withdrew their entries.


Who?
(it's all water under the bridge but I'm curious who would waste such effort?
I firmly believe ---maybe from 20 years of doing tracks, most of it overseas with longer more complex tracks than US moto-cross---that unless the repeat of a section of road or course is withing a few minutes the "advantage" has a very short "half-life". Repeat it 20 times in 35 minutes or 50 minutes, and you might know the stage.)
>
> With the number of in car videos nowadays there
> aren't too many unseen stages.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> heymagic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I did catch a couple competitors on stage the
> day
> > before a rally once. It was a new stage that
> > hadn't been used before. I don't know how
> they
> > found it. They withdrew their entries.
>
>
> Who?
> (it's all water under the bridge but I'm curious
> who would waste such effort?
> I firmly believe ---maybe from 20 years of doing
> tracks, most of it overseas with longer more
> complex tracks than US moto-cross---that unless
> the repeat of a section of road or course is
> withing a few minutes the "advantage" has a very
> short "half-life". Repeat it 20 times in 35
> minutes or 50 minutes, and you might know the
> stage.)
> >
> > With the number of in car videos nowadays
> there
> > aren't too many unseen stages.
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

I wouldn't embareass the guys, 20 years can add a lot of maturity and character. There were however ribbons tied in the trees before all the really tight corners.

Buffum is legendary for remembering a road seen once. Brent, my kid, can pretty well memorize a stage on one run, even backwards. Part of it is natural ability and a lot I believe is from hours of playing racing games on Playstation and Xbox. When I last ran in '04, DooWops, Brent co-drove. His first time in a rally car. After the "patch" took hold (thanks Doug) and he got over car sickness things got pretty interesting. On the reverse Brooklyn we beat a bunch of cars. Brent was calling the corners.. backwards. He and I had only been on the road one time, the first run the other direction. He can nail a stage just from watching clips on Youtube.

On the other hand I can't remember shit. Damitio and I found a new road once and 6 mos later it was used on a rally. At the start of the stage Duane Bender was looking ahead in the route book, I told him never mind I knew this one, yeah right. The first right hander I took about 20 mph too fast, off the outside, up the bank through the trees , back across the road, through the trees on the other side for about 60 feet. Thanks goodness there wasn't an exposure or big ditch. Duane was actually hitting me with the route book.."Dammit McCullough..." I gotta say we were both laughing so hard we had tears. He read the route book the rest of the stage.

heymagic Wrote:
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> Buffum is legendary for remembering a road seen
> once. Brent, my kid, can pretty well memorize a
> stage on one run, even backwards.

my mother is like this, once she's been somewhere, she remembers, forever, it's kinda cool and kinda creepy all at the same time

JohnLane Wrote:
>
> Damn it!! I wanted to bring my tank out to roll
> right over any and all competition!!




Doood. How ironic? You did roll right over!
You better watch what you wish for!




> Oh oops.... I have a Volvo. It will do this
> without the hassle of tracks.
>
>
> JohnLane
>
> Overkill is consistently more fun

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Michael LeCompte



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2009 12:42PM by pikespeakgtx.

pikespeakgtx Wrote:
> Doood. How ironic? You did roll right over!
> You better watch what you wish for!
>

Drats!!

Foiled again!!

I arrived at that turn fresh out of talent.

I hate it when that happens. I had been careful about not being too fast for conditions and hindsight being all that it is.... misjudged that one.

Very changable grip on that stage.

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JohnLane

Overkill is consistently more fun