Hey alls youse Vee Dub Golves boys

Robert "the Service Nazi" and I was discussing his Golf and the things he's bent and fucked up, and comparing note to the Soooper Bitchin stuff he saw whn he was working on the VW works cars back when VW had works cars coming to Kenya for Safari.


We all know the rear beams are major suckage and we are working on an exchange beam idea, and I'll be doing one for our resident raving mad-mad Tom Buress---who's way faster than all you guys put together so if he doesn't kill it, you shouldn't.

But Robert brought up sumpin I have often thought about and seen on my beloved Saabs on the other end: reinforcing the front knuckle. So I drug out my trusty VW Golf knuckle I have for a welding fixture and that looks like this:


Now reinforcing is easy enough since we have our good man William Steel Solutions wielding his trusty light sabre, but I was pointing out the elk antler (oder auf Deutsch "Elch Gewei" thangs the calipers are forced to sit on.

Now Robert says all the Golves he's seen have the grosse faule "Elch Gewi" mounting for the calipers and I says "Oh yaH! Then what the fuck to I remember the figure 89mm between centers for the ears for, huh, huh!????"

So the question is Boys, are all youse guys using knuckles with these hideous growths sticking out in the way????

Because what the hell you do when you want nicer calipers than those flexy boing-y thangs that are stock???

Further question is should we, the little collective pool of talent here, make some modded knuckles for you poor saps?
Modded to allow nicer calipers and stronger?

Please Carl Seidel, Eddie Forell, Billy elliot, TOM!, the rest of youse guys, whaddya think?

(Do you think?)(Then why you in pokey VWs? neener neener!!!)

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VW already has a stock solution: the steering knuckles from a G60 Corrado. They have bolt holes where a caliper bracket attaches instead of an integrated bracket like the Golfs. I think the knuckles from the mk2 Jetta GLI with 10.1" brakes and the Corrado with 11" brakes are interchangeable, but I'm not sure.

I would snap some photos of the Corrado brakes on my car, but it's not in my garage right now, so a link to the German Auto Parts website will have to do for now: http://www.germanautoparts.com/Volkswagen/Corrado/Suspension/241/1

The Corrado knuckles, 11" rotors, and calipers are a straightforward swap. You'll need Corrado brake lines (they're longer because the rotor swings in a bigger arc) and you may need to get the larger ball joints (not a bad thing). Also, You will now need 15" wheels to fit over your brakes...

That'd be very cool, but frankly I'd rather have youse guys and Timm spending time on that rear beam project and on a mount for the OEM PS pump to get it up offa the ground.

If you can make it fit a 16v and maybe have a little rack'n'pinion tightening action like VW used for the alternators on the 8vs, that'd be groovy.

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Self-righteous douche canoe

Erik Christiansen Wrote:
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> VW already has a stock solution: the steering
> knuckles from a G60 Corrado. They have bolt holes
> where a caliper bracket attaches instead of an
> integrated bracket like the Golfs. I think the
> knuckles from the mk2 Jetta GLI with 10.1" brakes
> and the Corrado with 11" brakes are
> interchangeable, but I'm not sure.
>
> I would snap some photos of the Corrado brakes on
> my car, but it's not in my garage right now, so a
> link to the German Auto Parts website will have to
> do for now:
>
> The Corrado knuckles, 11" rotors, and calipers are
> a straightforward swap. You'll need Corrado brake
> lines (they're longer because the rotor swings in
> a bigger arc) and you may need to get the larger
> ball joints (not a bad thing). Also, You will now
> need 15" wheels to fit over your brakes...

Yeah I mentioned that as a clear brearing and hub and potential brake upgrade.

But the first question remains : Are all Gloves saddled with this knuckle?

The Corrado thing is nice but are they common enough in the Spare Parts in Wating Depots commonly called "wrecking yards"?.

And Erik, everything go together with your struts OK???
Piccies???
>

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> But the first question remains : Are all Gloves
> saddled with this knuckle?

All Golfs yes, but not all Jettas of the same vintage.

>
> The Corrado thing is nice but are they common
> enough in the Spare Parts in Wating Depots
> commonly called "wrecking yards"?.

Sadly no. But they can be found on the classifieds at vwvortex.com occasionally.

>
> And Erik, everything go together with your struts
> OK???
> Piccies???

Struts are in! I'll post some pics soon.

hoche Wrote:
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> That'd be very cool, but frankly I'd rather have
> youse guys and Timm spending time on that rear
> beam project and on a mount for the OEM PS pump to
> get it up offa the ground.
>
> If you can make it fit a 16v and maybe have a
> little rack'n'pinion tightening action like VW
> used for the alternators on the 8vs, that'd be
> groovy.


Wrong Tim

I'm Timm and do toyota stuff.

Tim [Taylor] is the one who does all sorts of stuff.

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Wrong Tim
>
> I'm Timm and do toyota stuff.
>
> Tim [Taylor] is the one who does all sorts of stuff.
>
> Feisty Peacock?

Whoops. Meant William "Steel Solutions" Timmins.

I can talk to Tim Taylor - he's pretty close to me - but his time is limited. He does really nice work though.

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Self-righteous douche canoe

Heres the best pic I have of the corrado g60/jetta 16v/some passats/mk3 4 cyl knuckle.

They came on lots of stuff and are easy to find. They fit 10.1-11.3" rotors for stock setups. The knuckle you have does the 9.4" rotors.

Oh, and

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> our resident raving mad-mad Tom
> Buress---who's way faster than all you guys put
> together so if he doesn't kill it, you shouldn't.

LSPR 07
Stage 11
25 208 G2 Carl Seidel/Benjamin Slocum 05:26.8
30 437 G2 Tom Burress/Don Burress 05:32.7
Stage 14
27 208 G2 Carl Seidel/Benjamin Slocum 05:50.6
33 437 G2 Tom Burress/Don Burress 05:54.0

And I was on the reportedly auful route book. So I can at least keep up when I manage to get my head out of my ass.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 05:58AM by Carl S.

Carl S Wrote:
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> Heres the best pic I have of the corrado g60/jetta
> 16v/some passats/mk3 4 cyl knuckle.
>
> They came on lots of stuff and are easy to find.
> They fit 10.1-11.3" rotors for stock setups. The
> knuckle you have does the 9.4" rotors.

So are ya saying that we should try and find those cores to make mo better?
Are there any guys out there with the Elk Atler style?


>
> Oh, and
>
> john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> > our resident raving mad-mad Tom
> > Buress---who's way faster than all you guys
> put
> > together so if he doesn't kill it, you
> shouldn't.
>
> LSPR 07
> Stage 11
> 25 208 G2 Carl Seidel/Benjamin Slocum 05:26.8
> 30 437 G2 Tom Burress/Don Burress 05:32.7
> Stage 14
> 27 208 G2 Carl Seidel/Benjamin Slocum 05:50.6
> 33 437 G2 Tom Burress/Don Burress 05:54.0
>
> And I was on the reportedly auful route book. So
> I can at least keep up when I manage to get my
> head out of my ass.

Yeah yeah.... He was stuck in 2nd, and 2 cylinders were dead. Neeener neener!

And and (I love this one cause its SO STUPID) and You had home town advantage!!!!
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Apr 8, 2009 by Carl
> S.

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John Vanlandingham
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Carl,

The above mentioned brake conversion requiers 15" wheels yes?

Robert.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

11 inch set ups require 15 inch wheels. I am also for improving the rear beam and ps positioning which are common problems. Even the slow me bent a rear beam at my first event. I also never ran an event with ps so far. Either bent or lost the pulley or broke the resorvoir.

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Rallymech Wrote:
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> Carl,
>
> The above mentioned brake conversion requiers 15"
> wheels yes?
>
> Robert.

As shown in the pic, 14" wheels will fit. It's only if you replace the 10.1" rotor with an 11" and the caliper with the 2 piston Audi 5000/G60 setup that you need to go with 15" wheels.

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This is an upgrade that I was preaching years ago to any Golf runner I knew. Toss those shite 9.4" brakes and knuckles. Go to the pic-and-pull and grab the 10.1" set-up from a mk3 golf for cheap! The knuckles are waaaaaay beefier, the calipers are stronger, the brakes are bigger, I *think* the wheel bearings are bigger, I also seem to remember the ball joint is bigger as well. They fit under 14" wheels, and allow an easy upgrade to 11" brakes, if you want. They are so easy to come by and are so ridiculously much better that I can't understand why anybody running a golf would still have the craptastic 9.4" brake/knuckle junk on there.

We run the 10.1" brake setup (soon to be 11", it is mucho easy to get rid of the antler ears there, definitely lots of cars to interchange with. I'd be interested in seeing someone draw up an adapter for an aftermarket multiple piston caliper that would work with an 11" rotor....maybe a caliper that is readily available on ebay on the cheap or something like that?!?

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Tom B Wrote:
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> We run the 10.1" brake setup (soon to be 11", it
> is mucho easy to get rid of the antler ears there,
> definitely lots of cars to interchange with. I'd
> be interested in seeing someone draw up an adapter
> for an aftermarket multiple piston caliper that
> would work with an 11" rotor....maybe a caliper
> that is readily available on ebay on the cheap or
> something like that?!?

We're on it!!!!!
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