How many events do you compete in every year?

I just want to see pics of John's much younger wife


seriously though, I resemble most of the 'white collar AWD turbo newbie' remarks above. Yes, my first rally will be in a rather quick (or potential to be quick) awd turbo subaru.

Yes, I will get beat by some G2 people at my first event.

So? Unless you see me talking a lot of shit about how great I am, I BETTER get beat by better drivers in 2wd cars. I'm going to go out there and baby this car and NOT crash at event #1 and 2, so saying I got my ass 'handed' too me isn't really a fair comparison, since I'm not trying to win anything or beat anyone.

If people want to point fingers and make fun of me for it...go ahead, won't bother me a bit. with the stock open front diff and 4kg center diff, its not really awd anyway...more like 3wd.

If I get faster as I go, great. If I don't...whatever. I'm doing this for my own reasons/enjoyment, and I'm not sorry if that doesn't impress any one. I'd rather go a little slower on each corner, and save the car for another event (and not have major repairs) and have fun on the straights than push the car past my limits (I'm sure I'll never be good enough to push the car past its own limits, I like to think I'm doing a good job of building this car).

That said, I want to compete in 2010 for CRS points...so what's that, 8 events? maybe I'll skip one or two...it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

After 2010, if I haven't crashed the car by then, I think it would be cool to make it up to a few PNW events, and maybe even leave the car up there (if possible) with someone....and/or do that in the Colorado region as well. Its all a big 'depends.' Once, just once, I'd be cool to do a big RA event (like rally colorado or something) and line up with the big boys, just to be able to say, 'been there, done that.'....maybe then, THAT would be the one time to go 'all out' next to block and pastrana and just see how I do....even if I can say I 'kept up' on just ONE stage, that would be enough for me.

My 'long term rally plan' (aka, after I crash this subaru) is to actually get into 2wd....snagging whatever good deals are on ss.com for cheap and stay in the sport long term that way.



EDIT: and not that I felt like I needed to explain myself, but I did anyway because JVL's 'issue' with the 'AWD expensive turbo subaru newbie' is that 'they' (whoever 'they' are, I'm not sure) spend a lot of money on a new/fast/whatever Subaru...crash their first event, and then disappear forever due to lack of funds/hurt ego/whatever.


John, correct me if I'm wrong there, but that's what I felt I've heard from you in the past in other threads/forums online.

And when you pretty much live/breathe rally racing (both in your past, and your current/future revenue stream), I think he has a valid point.

So I wanted to voice my 'plan' for staying in the sport long term because I DON'T plan on disappearing, even if I do crash my car on my first event.

SO, maybe for those of us that don't have 10 years of rally history to add to this thread, it'd be cool to see how some of us 'newbies' are planning to run events in the near future, and also how we plan to stay in it after we crunch our first cars

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2009 04:46PM by Jon Burke.

2006: 1
2007: 2
2008: 5
2009: 3 so far, plans for 4 more.

I only counted "rally weekends" not two day regional events that are scored individually.

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I like open light.

Morten2 Wrote:
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>
> I'm pretty sure that you told me that your place
> used to be your Dad's ?
>
> Now I'm all confused...

NOW?

It is not your memory which is faulty.
It is your imagination which is overactive.

I said nothing of the sort.
My parents lived outside of Pensacola Florida for a few decades and prior to that on Whidbey Island.
They had not lived in Seattle since 28 May 1972.

My conviction that you were high when here just gets stronger.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
> Sorry Morison but my comments, in 1998, were based
> on my having driven just prior to some top 3 OA
> National stage times in my old 1969 car, top 10 OA
> National results, Gp2 class wins,, and having
> driven that and plenty of other well sorted FWD
> (National Championship winning Gp2 cars back when
> there were more than one person towing to a few
> events) and RWD cars, at that point having about
> 14 seasons in properly prepared cars,....

Where are these results? Nothing extraordinary here.

http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cgi-bin/aglimpse/36/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/racenews?query=Vanlandingham&lines=1&maxfiles=1000

Dang, a photographer with more results.

http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cgi-bin/aglimpse/36/usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/racenews?query=keith+morison&lines=1&maxfiles=1000

CommanderSalamander Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> > Sorry Morison but my comments, in 1998, were
> based
> > on my having driven just prior to some top 3
> OA
> > National stage times in my old 1969 car, top
> 10 OA
> > National results, Gp2 class wins,, and
> having
> > driven that and plenty of other well sorted
> FWD
> > (National Championship winning Gp2 cars back
> when
> > there were more than one person towing to a
> few
> > events) and RWD cars, at that point having
> about
> > 14 seasons in properly prepared cars,....
>
> Where are these results? Nothing extraordinary
> here.
>
>
>
> Dang, a photographer with more results.

Hey Einstein, there are some things which occurred before the Inter-net.

Or were you not aware of that?

And tell me Brainiac, what is the highest stage placing you have driven to?
And the highest OA finish in a National you drove to?
How many individual National Class wins have you driven to?

ZERO????!!!!

Ever?
You've never driven in a National rally?


>
>
>
>- "Nomex underwear Commando Codriver is over rated"

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Results on rally racing news go back to 1973. It didn't happen. So where are the results?

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> My conviction that you were high when here just
> gets stronger.

Just because you spent a few years doing drugs in Berkeley California, doesn't mean everyone else does / did.

Perhaps what you felt may have been euphoria in me was actually a result of a childhood dream of racing a car being realized. Having found a "seemingly" great, knowledgeble guy (you) who recommended a car to buy, and who was going to build an engine for me.

Fuck yeah, I was happy and excited. (insert euphoric)

Little did I know that you were going to charge me 60 bucks for helping me to push my car of the trailer into your yard.

How the helpful internet persona immediately changed once you had your hooks into me. I've put up with your shit here, backhanded remarks, and kept quiet about our dealings AND will continue to do so.

I could EASILY list 6 people who have done business with you who would NEVER do business with you again ! (EDIT - Add Timm = 7)

That doesn't matter though, does it Johh ?

Because in your world only other people have faults, make mistakes, are subject to critism, etc. - Talk about a psychosis induced delusion !

> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2009 11:46AM by Morten2.

Hoche, see what you started?

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/

Sorry John my mistake, I must have mis-understood what you told me.

I found this :

http://www5.kingcounty.gov/kcgisreports/property_report.aspx?PIN=0923049277

That definately proves your residence / business didn't use to belong to your dad.

My mistake - I apologize !





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2009 11:42AM by Morten2.

john vanlandingham Wrote:

> Hey Einstein, there are some things which occurred before the Inter-net.
> > Dang, a photographer with more results.

Not all of my results are shown on that search although all of my events as a driver are shown. (Likely suspect would be results with a misspelling of my last name - a fairly common mistake)

> And tell me Brainiac, what is the highest stage placing you have driven to?

As if the driver is the only part of the puzzle when it comes to success at rally. Particularly with stage notes or pace notes, a codriver can bring enough of a difference in speed to bring a car into, or drop it out of, the top 10 overall.

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First Rally: 2001
Driver (7), Co-Driver (44)
Drivers (16)
Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4)
Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0)
Last Updated, January 4, 2015

Quote
john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

Morison Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
>
> > Hey Einstein, there are some things which
> occurred before the Inter-net.
> > > Dang, a photographer with more results.
>
> Not all of my results are shown on that search
> although all of my events as a driver are shown.
> (Likely suspect would be results with a
> misspelling of my last name - a fairly common
> mistake)
>
> > And tell me Brainiac, what is the highest
> stage placing you have driven to?
>
> As if the driver is the only part of the puzzle
> when it comes to success at rally. Particularly
> with stage notes or pace notes, a codriver can
> bring enough of a difference in speed to bring a
> car into, or drop it out of, the top 10 overall.

yes yes yes so true, but.....
>

You do realise that was in response to the incredibly obnoxius person who single handedly killed Washington DC area rallycross, and who as has had one of his drivers write and apologize for his bullshit such as that, not you.

Clearly he's embarrassed he never did anything in the driving realm with for better or worse is a step up from co-driving in the hierarchy of things motorsport related. I understand it's not fair, but the driver is still the one who presses on the gas and brakes and twirls the wheel, the best Co-driver in the world can do nothing if the driver does nothing.

So Shindle's presumption of his pre-eminence in the world of NorthAmerica rally is just a silly conceit.


>

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> You do realise that was in response to the
> incredibly obnoxius person who single handedly
> killed Washington DC area rallycross, and who as
> has had one of his drivers write and apologize for
> his bullshit such as that, not you.

Yah, I knew you were responding to Dave, but I didn't know he had such a strong influence on rallycross in DC. (I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about)

Don't forget that we are 'hanging around in the shop' shooting the breeze. I think this affords me the leeway to step in on this point.

> Clearly he's embarrassed he never did anything in
> the driving realm with for better or worse is a
> step up from co-driving in the hierarchy of things
> motorsport related.

Not sure I agree with that. Co-driving is a completely different skill set and aspect of the sport. What I do know is that a driver simply can't go as fast without a co-driver as they can with one. Having done both I've decided that I prefer to co-drive... something my driver (likely most drivers) just doesn't understand.

> I understand it's not fair, but the driver is still the one who presses on the
> gas and brakes and twirls the wheel, the best Co-driver in the world can do
> nothing if the driver does nothing.

This isn't about fairness.
A good co-driver can manage their driver, pull them back from the red mist, motivate them to push their limits when they need to. It is a team in (and around) the car and if the team isn't working together it won't be successful. In a true 'team' the co-driver has far more control over where the car goes and how it gets there than any driver would want to admit.

> So Shindle's presumption of his pre-eminence in the world of NorthAmerica rally is just a silly conceit.

Except that in this conversation I haven't seen any evidence of said presumption.

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First Rally: 2001
Driver (7), Co-Driver (44)
Drivers (16)
Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4)
Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0)
Last Updated, January 4, 2015

Quote
john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

john vanlandingham Wrote:

> You do realise that was in response to the
> incredibly obnoxius person who single handedly
> killed Washington DC area rallycross,

Where do you get your info? I was at the DC rallyX on Sunday. I was at DC rallyXs last season. Tell me how someone who started it and funded it even after SCCA dropped rallying killed something that is still alive? I wanna know.

The truth in why JVL dislikes codrivers is in the real results.

STPR 96
"John Vanlandingham was a late scratch early this morning.
Unable to find a co-driver, he came to Wellsboro in hopes
of filling the right seat in his Group 2 Saab 96 by start
time. It was not to be, and Vanlandingham finally gave
up and became a spectator."

Maine 96
"The withdrawal of Sam Bryan's
SAAB 900 left Rob Walden available to act as co-driver
for John Vanlandingham in his 1969 SAAB 96. Up until
then, it had looked as if Vanlandingham would spend
another rally on the sidelines (he had gone to STPR in
June without a co-driver and unfortunately, the rally
started without him.) Bryan, although disappointed for
himself, was at least philosophical about his co-driver's
contribution to allowing another SAAB to run."

No friends to codrive.

Again, where are the 2-3 rally a week results and top stagetimes? I'll give you winning Gr2 once, behind a production 2wd car. Congratulations!

CommanderSalamander Wrote:
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> Results on rally racing news go back to 1973.
>
>
>
>
> Commando Codriver- "Nomex underwear is over rated"


supposed to be in bed, but now that I'm glancing through this thread and finding that out about that site, how seriously cool to find a bunch of results where my dad was codriving (and my one measley mention for codriving)

too bad they don't have the little regional shit back into the 80's so my mom would be on there too

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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>
> My conviction that you were high when here just
> gets stronger.



Now is that a no-no in case I stop by?

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Gone fishing