CommanderSalamander Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
>
> > You do realise that was in response to the
> > incredibly obnoxius person who single
> handedly
> > killed Washington DC area rallycross,
>
> Where do you get your info?

Numerous people in the DC area brought up your name and extremely bad attitude up in the course of talking to them about cars and rally some years ago.
Didn't you know you were famous?


I was at the DC rallyX
> on Sunday. I was at DC rallyXs last season. Tell
> me how someone who started it and funded it even
> after SCCA dropped rallying killed something that
> is still alive? I wanna know.
>
> The truth in why JVL dislikes codrivers is in the
> real results.

What a silly statement, I've know plenty of co-drivers I've liked just fine.
Now some, like you, I say fuck 'em who needs them.
>
> STPR 96
> "John Vanlandingham was a late scratch early this
> morning.
> Unable to find a co-driver, he came to
> Wellsboro in hopes
> of filling the right seat in his Group 2 Saab
> 96 by start
> time. It was not to be, and Vanlandingham
> finally gave
> up and became a spectator."
>
> Maine 96
> "The withdrawal of Sam Bryan's
> SAAB 900 left Rob Walden available to act as
> co-driver
> for John Vanlandingham in his 1969 SAAB 96.
> Up until
> then, it had looked as if Vanlandingham would
> spend
> another rally on the sidelines (he had gone to
> STPR in
> June without a co-driver and unfortunately,
> the rally
> started without him.) Bryan, although
> disappointed for
> himself, was at least philosophical about his
> co-driver's
> contribution to allowing another SAAB to
> run."
>
> No friends to codrive.

I was new to the area, no big conspiracy. Everybody I knew was too poor or not into rally.
Maine Summer 96, Debbie Sweet who had co-driven for me at Maine Summer when we won and Maine Winter when we broke shock mounts while leading, was 5 months pregnant and regretfully declined.

You can try and smear me with insinuations but that's OK, I know that most of the people i have had co-drive for me including Debbie have said "That was the most fun I have had at an event".


>
> Again, where are the 2-3 rally a week results and
> top stagetimes?

I did not play with cars then, they were only tow vehicles.
I raced moto-cross, a sport just a tad bit, maybe only 3-4 or 5 times more demanding. And the results are printed up on results lists.
If you think i'm going to scan them just to shut your mouth, you're giving yourself too much credit.

As for top 10 stage times in USA, they're right over there---->




I'll give you winning Gr2 once,
> behind a production 2wd car.

Yep Vinnie beat me fair and square that year.
He only bought that Corolla GTS about 12 days before hand.
In my defensem since you are attacking, I had not sat on gravel in over 2 years. Zero.
Tire were bought used from John Buffum at least 4 years prior, then used on at least 2 events before Maine.

We had a trans mount failing which cause every 3-2 downshift to take an eternity and a rock cleaned off a brake pipe on one stage. Those problems alone cost easily the difference tween Vinnie in the possibly perfect P car the rwd GTS Corolla.

I did beat him every single stage, bar one, in '96 with him in a nice Gp5 Corrado
and me in a very sick, very tired motor and a duff coil. (as reflected in the dismal 14th or 15th OA)

And thinking back Maine Summer was my First US National.
I only entered the National to get the full mileage.


Congratulations!
Knowing what a snotty fuck you are, I decline your sarcastic congratulations.
>
> Commando Codriver is over rated"

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

So finally we have the truth. Excuses and what you post as rally results were for MotoX, which no one else was talking about.



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david amor Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> >
> > My conviction that you were high when here
> just
> > gets stronger.
>
>
>
> Now is that a no-no in case I stop by?

Dave I doubt that's a "no-no" at JVL's house (unless he's changed drastically with age).



Borrowed from SS.com :


#12 04-03-2005, 09:15 AM
John Vanlandingham
400 flat to crest Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: 2007 S.126th ST. Seattle, WA. 98168, USA.
Posts: 4,261

Berkely (Berzerk-ly), LA (I swear in the house that was the prototype for "Delta House" in Animal House, only above the door of "Ellis Island" was DKA (Droppa Kappa Acid)(we thad three pharmacuetical majors in the house, one has worked with the famous Mr Owsley, Can you say Orange Sunshine and Purple Haze???); SantaCruz (Insanity-cruise), Stockholm, later London in the late late 70s.
I'm serious, if most people had half the drugs, sex and cheap thrills I had by time I was 30, they'd DIE!!!

John "Daddy-O" Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168

janvanvurpa (at) f4 (dot) ca

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat!
Vive Le Groupe F!

CommanderSalamander Wrote:
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> So finally we have the truth. Excuses
Exucuses?

Kiss my ass you pompous piece of useless fly shit, you mere service writer.

Explanations why we were ONLY 8th or 9th Overall.





>and what you
> post as rally results were for MotoX, which no one
> else was talking about.

I was talking about motorsports on loose surfaces, first years in a branch far harder than a lame ass faggot like you could manage, then from '84 on to '97 club level driving which, again,

despite your big mouth, your bragging about all the cars "You've" built, your inlaws huge experience (we presume Pappa-in-law would build you whatever you wanted) and quite a long time in the sport,

you've never dared to try against anybody--...
>
> Commando Codriver- is over rated"
>
>

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> I raced moto-cross, a sport just a tad bit, maybe only 3-4 or 5 times more demanding.

Again, demanding in a different way. More demanding on the driver? no argument from me.

The important point behind this, Dave, is that high level competition is high level competition and much of the approach, attitude and general 'mentality' is transferable.
Before coming to Rally I participated in two different world championship events (non motorsports) as a team manager and organised one world championship competition within my previous past-time. Maybe not a lot of experience but one of the teams I managed brought home a silver medal with one of our competitors bringing home the gold medal.(In an event where competing at 99% of perfect, timed not judged, wasn't enough to get you into the finals and only 14% moved on to the finals.) The event I organised hosted just short of 100 competitors from 28 countries and was a success from the competition standpoint.

In the end, I bring a lot in terms of logistics, preparation and competitive approach to rally competition and organizing from that experience. I am sure that while John's vast experience isn't all in rally cars, much of what he learned on bikes still has value.

> As for top 10 stage times in USA, they're right
> over there---->
Um ... you said top 10 national finishes and top 3 stage times.
Doesn't really matter because finishing positions don't tell the whole story without context.

Stage positions mean absolutely nothing without context.

Before boasting about stage finishing positions it is really really important to understand how you got that position.

An example.

Oregon 2006 - We finished the last stage 2nd fastest, 1.7 sec. behind Pastrana, in a PGT car - a bunch of people on the interweb whooped and hollared about it... reality is it wasn't a big deal.
The top of the pack were all secure in their positions and pulled back their pace (Pastrana was some 15 seconds slower than the previous pass) while we were still charging to try and make up some time and ran some 10 seconds faster. (times are rough estimates just for the sake of argument) over the 12 mile stage (IIRC) that means the relative pace moved by over 2 sec/mile (3.2 sec/k) ... not far off our typical pace gap to the top of the (north american) pack at the time.

---

First Rally: 2001
Driver (7), Co-Driver (44)
Drivers (16)
Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4)
Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0)
Last Updated, January 4, 2015

Quote
john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2009 12:05PM by Morison.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> you mere service writer.

> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

John what gives you this self perceived elitist status that gives you the pompous self absorbed right to use phrases like this :

"mere photographer"
"mere shop keeper"
"mere service writer"

I'm curious, how do you identify your own profession and position ?

Morten2 Wrote:
> I'm curious, how do you identify your own profession and position ?

who are you, a mere fucking fuck, to question this?

um ... by that I mean:

interesting question ... I never really paid much attention to his derisive babble but I suppose that by saying that he does seem to imply some sense of superiority.

---

First Rally: 2001
Driver (7), Co-Driver (44)
Drivers (16)
Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4)
Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0)
Last Updated, January 4, 2015

Quote
john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

Morten2 Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > you mere service writer.
>
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
> John what gives you this self perceived elitist
> status that gives you the pompous self absorbed
> right to use phrases like this :
>
> "mere photographer"
> "mere shop keeper"
> "mere service writer"
>
> I'm curious, how do you identify your own
> profession and position ?

Einstein, in motorsports involving placings having guys who are just passengers complain about driving results they have not and cannot do themselves, complaining because they want to attack, they will get derisive answers back.

I am a mere importer/exporter, manufacturer/distributor/of motorsports parts, and a mere machinist. I formerly was a mere mechanic building engines that managed to win National Group2 title, and recently NW Region Overall title (Gasp! a fuckin Subaru!!!).

I formerly was full time actual pay the rent, pay for the truck etc professional racer in a much harder sport, yes differnt, but far far harder and not merely from the strength required but also the duration of the event and the deep, even level of the competition at International level. There I was overjoyed if I could finish a mere 10th-12th-15th.
Different hardware but it was hardware far more powerful in terms of power to weight, and on far more difficult surfaces than mere gravel roads and an occasional jump.

So when people come here only to bitch and never contribute a thing to help others build, or drive, like you who only asks asks asks, then withing THIS context I am a mere step or two above you in the hierarchy.

look on a real serious note nearly all of what nearly all of us do is nothing "special" I don't care if you're a carpenter/contracter or if Shindle works as a service writer kissing the asses of rich people 8 hours a day, and I do grant Morison special status beinbg a photographer because I know how lives can change with just one good photo (My did, and i met the photographer whose photo set me on my road to shooting for full time Professional racer status about 10-11 years after I had seen the photo and was having lucnch with him without knowing his name ---lots of guys at lunch in Uppsala---and was able to thank him for that photo.)
I believe we need more visual arts so (despite his extremely presumptive answer to why I find his flat declaritive style of writing and his saying "Well I assume it was implied everything is just my opinion" No I never assumed you were writing just "your opinion" not when I nothing indicating or stating it. What was implied was "THIS IS IT!" he gets a special status.

What you or any of us do to pay the rent is unimportant.

When was the last time you worked on somebody else's rally car to help out?
When was the last time you solved a problem as a favor?

You guys can be obnoxious, call me names, try to discredit results which you've never done ever, but don't cry if I answer you back exactly as you intended your posts to be.
>
>
>
>
>

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Why the fuck would you post the man's business on the internet like this?

It's flat out Rude man.

And for what reason? To prove you were incorrect about your OWN assumption.

I don't have any problem with you personally, but I recommend you take that information down.. I'm sure it's public record or whatever but why put a MAN's personal business up on the forum like that? Why?

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Michael LeCompte

Morison Wrote:
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>
> Before coming to Rally I participated in two
> different world championship events (non
> motorsports) as a team manager and organised one
> world championship competition within my previous
> past-time. Maybe not a lot of experience but one
> of the teams I managed brought home a silver medal
> with one of our competitors bringing home the gold
> medal.(In an event where competing at 99% of
> perfect, timed not judged, wasn't enough to get
> you into the finals and only 14% moved on to the
> finals.) The event I organised hosted just short
> of 100 competitors from 28 countries and was a
> success from the competition standpoint.
>
> Morison.

Keith, I'm just curious, what was the 'other' sport? If you don't mind me asking?

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/

Morison Wrote:
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> Oregon 2006 - We finished the last stage 2nd
> fastest, 1.7 sec. behind Pastrana, in a PGT car -
> a bunch of people on the interweb whooped and
> hollared about it... reality is it wasn't a big
> deal.

Same year as a codriver we finished the second stage 2nd fastest, right behind either Pastrana or Block. That was also the first stage rally I ever codrove in.
Was the whooping and hollering on your friends and family mailing list.
Just kidding Keith. I do sometime use this result to fuck with friends when we get into trash talking.

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Grant Hughes

Michael I don't have an issue with you either.

John posts his address in his siggy on ss.com, and the kingcounty data base provides property parcel numbers derived from physical addresses.

Most jusrisdictions offer the same information either from their local assessment autority or through the city / township tax information which are all public.

If John has a problem with me posting this, he certainly hasn't mentioed this by either post, email, phone call, or PM. If it's an issue... no problem I'll remove it.

In my line of work, this is information I routinely access for research, permits, liens, etc.

Public information, as in not having to log onto or sign into any database.

This particular database has everyone who owns property in King County, and all the information related to that parcel of land.

It's certainly not rocket science to access it.

Jon Burke Wrote:

> Keith, I'm just curious, what was the 'other' sport? If you don't mind me asking?

Radio Controlled Sailplanes.

The gold/individual Silver/Team was in F3J specifically, thermal duration with sot landings and the planes launched by 'hand tow.' International rules governed by the FAI. Top end gliders are fully composite in construction and will get launched to ~300m or so in about 4 seconds.

First worlds I attended was F3B, multi-task sailplane. Tasks were 7 minute duration with a spot landing, Distance (number of laps of a 150m course in a 4 minute window), and speed (time for 4 laps of a 150m course ... average speeds are in the 165Km/hr range.) The planes are capable of over 200Km/h pretty easily (yes, gliders.)

Spot landings, to be competitive, mean that you land the model (3m wingspan) within a metre of a predetermined spot within a couple of seconds from the end of the flight window.

As much as you might not believe it, this is a far cry from a bunch of old farts with 'toy' balsa airplanes.

---

First Rally: 2001
Driver (7), Co-Driver (44)
Drivers (16)
Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4)
Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0)
Last Updated, January 4, 2015

Quote
john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

Keith you're taking me back...

I have a Multiplex remote, mind you it's getting on in years now and hasn't been used in a very long time.

Ahhh the days of waking up early on Sunday's, going to the school's soccer field, starting the Cox .049, and flying home built planes that were on a string where you stood in the center and they revolved.

What are those planes called, the string controlled ones.

I forgot about all this stuff, thanks for bringing it up.

Here's a cool vid :







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Morison Wrote:
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> Jon Burke Wrote:
>
> > Keith, I'm just curious, what was the 'other'
> sport? If you don't mind me asking?
>
> Radio Controlled Sailplanes.
>
> The gold/individual Silver/Team was in F3J
> specifically, thermal duration with sot landings
> and the planes launched by 'hand tow.'
> International rules governed by the FAI. Top end
> gliders are fully composite in construction and
> will get launched to ~300m or so in about 4
> seconds.
>
> First worlds I attended was F3B, multi-task
> sailplane. Tasks were 7 minute duration with a
> spot landing, Distance (number of laps of a 150m
> course in a 4 minute window), and speed (time for
> 4 laps of a 150m course ... average speeds are in
> the 165Km/hr range.) The planes are capable of
> over 200Km/h pretty easily (yes, gliders.)
>
> Spot landings, to be competitive, mean that you
> land the model (3m wingspan) within a metre of a
> predetermined spot within a couple of seconds from
> the end of the flight window.
>
> As much as you might not believe it, this is a far
> cry from a bunch of old farts with 'toy' balsa
> airplanes.
>
>
>
oh I believe it, as with anything, its not hard to get very competitive (and very expensive) with ANY sport or hobby.

that's cool, man.

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/



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