Seriously, so this is now one of those forums...

12xalt Wrote:
> it's an evil place
> Threads: 4,198,241, Posts: 115,928,948, Members: 206,046

When it's 9th biggest forum in the world and it doesn't even have a topic to start with... I can see that it would get very annoying. :|

Anders

ps: Gene: HA!

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

Anders Green Wrote:
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> 12xalt Wrote:
> > it's an evil place
> > Threads: 4,198,241, Posts: 115,928,948,
> Members: 206,046
>
> When it's 9th biggest forum in the world and it
> doesn't even have a topic to start with... I can
> see that it would get very annoying. :|
>
> Anders
>
> ps: Gene: HA!
>
> Raleigh, NC
> Impreza H6 3.0

it actually started out as a sub forum at HA.net (honda acura) and got so popular that the HAnet owner was getting pissed off, so the moderator for it broke it off and created it as it's own board

for as fucked up as the place is, I've met and made a lot of very good and long term friends there, been to texas multiple times for national meets, gotten to know a lot of really cool people in the seattle area and always make myself available to hang out with (or offer a place to stay) for those who come here for whatever reason from out of state (one guy comes out for work every two years, and each time he's here I take him somewhere new and beautiful in the state for him to take pics, this year he's bringing his wife and they want to move here from MI)

On another note....

HA! for a reference of how "important" rally is, especially US rally, , the smallest online bulletin board on the "big board" list is ranked 2210 biggest.

That board has twice the posts and 10 times the users of ss.com.

The kicker? It's a whole board just for the "Dance Dance Revolution" game.

ahhhh, wow.

Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

I've always had a bit of a sick wish to be able to play that

Rabin,

I think that you are over reacting. I support free and open communications but the threads in question were really nasty. Those posts did not have anything to contribute. I am happy to see them deleated.

As far as I know Skye is the main man. John doesn't have anything to do with the administration of the site. He just lives hear!

The whole concept of anarchy is a joke in my opinion. There are very few people in the world that can handle real anarchy. Regulation is a natural human tendency. I have been to some places in the world that would qualify as being anarchic. Even there, people begin to make and enforce there own rules. Humans seek to make order.

Robert.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

12xalt Wrote:
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> I've always had a bit of a sick wish to be able to
> play that

One year when I was particularily broke in Vegas I played Dance Dance Revolution instead of gambling. Way more fun and cheaper than slots, which I despise.

This year I was sitting at the $5 blackjack table and saw a friend at a different table so went and joined him. Turned out it was a $25 table so I pulled out a hundred and was like, let's see what happens. When I left the table an hour of so later I had like $400. It was awesome. Then I met Raelene and we played until 7 am. The pit boss kept coming and trying to give me free breakfast coupons. I told him no thanks but when he was ready to give me a suite for the remaining couple of hours to come talk to me. We turned $100 into $700 that night, then went back to her room and I still feel a little bad for the friends that were sleeping there. Nothing like waking up naked surrounded by people you don't know, with a dead cell phone, no hotel room key, and your flight leaves in 45 minutes. Luckily I was off and my flight didn't leave for 2 hours and I still barely made it.

Man, WTF were we talking about. I really liked France and the french when I was there. I got really anti-French when we were in India. We were staying in an area called Auroville outside of Pondicherri which has this big western commune bullshit up in the hills and we kept seeing all these French folk (Pondicherri was a French colony) and they all really really sucked! I really enjoyed my Renault Clio when I was driving around France though.

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Grant Hughes

You win the way off course award for the day.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
> Well we can argue about that till the cows come
> home, let's re-prase that to "What seemed like
> hours", OK?
> Cause my recollection was it seemed like hours.

It was a long time - but you tell stories. A LOT of stories.

> Very interesting that you choose to call it a
> lie.

You're mis stating the conversation for your own gain. It's not exactly the truth, just your perception. I disagreed with it - but I've got my own perceptions as well of the call.

> I have owned and quite literally lived in my Pug
> 404 diesels and depended on them for my
> livelihood. I know that virtually every modern car
> made today incorporates numerous individual design
> elements and parts designed and made on mass
> market cars first in the world by the French.
> I respect their design capabilities and more so
> than that their passion about what they do.
>
> It is without a doubt also my favorite country of
> all those I have lived and worked in by a good
> margin.
> Indeed I owe my meeting and eventually marrying my
> wonderful wife to some comments in an early
> meeting about France and their national motto and
> how even as a dumb fuck kid in the US South in the
> late 50s/early 60s the words "Liberty, Equality,
> Fraternity" resonated in my head as so much more
> direct than out American "Life, liberty and the
> pursuit of happiness".
>
> Be that as it is, I poke fun at EVERY car and ALL
> car owners.
> Openly. You, I, we are all insane to do what we
> do.

Yup - that was the subject of a lot of our conversation. I really enjoyed it as well, as it was a great conversation. How it morphed into "hours" of ME talking to YOU about my car I don't know.


> Oh so my interpretation, ie how i feel about your
> loaded words "based on his reputation" is
> irrelevant.
> OK. I see. You can say words full of portent, but
> I make some lame jokes about Froggiemobiles and I
> am a baddie, OK.

You like to word and interpret things to your benefit despite the meaning and intent. We can go back and forth and it won't go anywhere.

> > > > right now to me, because you said
> > something
> > > other than "Oh gooly gee I'm so fuckin
> > impressed
> > > that one day, 4-8 ot 10 year in the
> > future,I'm
> > > going to build a 505 that online persona
> is
> > a
> > > complete
> > > > asshole.

Still don't get the point of it. You're mocking my build time (which you made up for humour I imagine) - but how that would make my online persona an asshole doesn't make sense.


> To be honest you sounded very unsure of what you
> were trying to do and it sounded like you needed
> lots of advice. LOTS.
> You seemed to say you had everything to build what
> you needed from all these sources.
>
> Have you completed your suspension?

I've decided that the stock suspension is fine without coil overs, and with Volvo 240 front springs and MB 190 rear springs there's no need for anything custom for now. I can focus on the BMW 5x120 bolt pattern to get rid of the 4x140 pattern on my car to open up wheel options, as well as use BMW brake disks (302x28 front, 300x22 rear), and then mount the 01' Boxster calipers (same as the 996) to finish it off. I'll sort the brakes and wheels out with a functional car and then re-evaluate the suspension after I make all my changes due to the changes in unsprung weight, and I know what the car handles like on much wider rubber.

Yes - all parts are done, machining is done (to my design spec), just need to assemble now. It's pretty damn trick actually.

> You know i really don't like people calling me a
> liar Rabin.
> Even if they couch it terms like "technically".

Well - not sure what else to call it if it never happened that way. Chaulk it up to differences then - and the truth is in the middle somewhere.

> I said I went out to a yard---was going there on a
> multiple mission and that was just one of them.
> Since I was, and since you sounded extremely
> confused about what a car needs to be even half
> competitive in fun rallies, I took a tape measure
> and note pad along just to make notes so I would
> have lengths and positions for fixing points,
> wheel clearance etc so at least somebody would be
> clear in the off chance you eventually decided to
> build the car and eventually decide to get
> something servicable and durable.

When I called you, I wasn't about to start telling you what I wanted, I wanted to see what you could do and what you suggested. I think you have a tremendous talent for building very cool stuff. I already knew what was successful, but wanted to compare that to what you suggested. There was never any confusion - I was just LISTENING. Like I mentioned - I was hoping for a coil over kit specific to my strut. When I disagreed about needing Bilsteins - that seemed to me an afront to your knowledge and it went down hill from there.


> So you have called me a liar based on your own
> skewed reading into my words meaning and intent
> that is clearly not there.

Right back at ya sparky...


> > > You see here many many people happy with
> my
> > stuff,
> > > but your pick and choose a few
> disgruntled
> > > charcters selectively and repeat hints
> of
> > "his
> > > reputation".

Again - nothing to do with what they say at all. I work in customer service in IT, so I know unhappy customers, and I know there's always two sides. It's your responses to them that give me pause.

> I freely admit that I must be crazy to be doing
> this.

Yep - you're a VERY generous guy to some, and that's one of the reasons you have good friends.

> I may have made an error on your ethnicity based
> on your first name and its resemblance to a well
> known head of state. (Rest in Peace, Rabin)(The
> other one)

I used to like watching the news just to hear my name when I was little. Rabin isn't common for an Indian (From India) but born in Canada. Rabindranath Tagore the poet is my namesake.

I won't respond with specific people in mind as per requested.


> You didn't get the hint about "and as you would
> have others do unto you, so shall ye do unto them"
> See, I thought you were Jewish so I thought
> quoting a great rabbi's words would echo in your
> head.

Actually - that's pretty universal so I did get it. I'm not sure you do though to though since you justify your actions. (And they don't come off as justified to the casual reader)

> Rabin, I'm very aware that there is a dichotomous
> response to whoever I am.
> Very few people are indifferent, some like me, a
> few have an near irrational hate for me. Same
> words from me, even same words in different
> languages (after all the words are merely
> referents to some "thing" or idea or concept so
> there's nothing inherently enraging about one word
> vs the other) and occasionally polar responses.
>
> I posit that when there are these polar response,
> then the difference is to be found inside the head
> of the "listener".
>
> I will freely admit that I very little time or
> patience with stupidity of the obstinate type. And
> zero for people who unilaterally tell me what they
> have decided I will do to make them happy.
>
> They can go fuck themselves.

Absolutely correct. Better to just leave it at that then to go on the offensive. When you go after them online - it only harms the impression I have of you since I don't know you. (Speaking for myself there)



Your examples of going above and beyond for good customers are also well established. I've never doubted that, and it seems like you are totally missing the point of my dicussion with you.


> The only poo that is flung is the poo that is
> wiped off my face when somebody has thrown it in
> my face.

There's wiping poo off your face, and then there's water bombing them back with poo filled water bombers at every chance.

>
> I gently suggest that if you were involved in
> manufacturing---ie something tangible---then you
> might understand better how sometimes things are
> not always ideal and that to make something
> right--especially when the fuckin POS car is
> 5000km away---sometimes takes so doing.

Exactly - that's why I was trying to make it as easy as possible instead of sending you parts just to evaluate. Seemed easier to have someone drop it off for you to check out. In the end I recently found a guy that FINALLY has your skill level locally that didn't go cross eyed when I told him what I wanted. He worked his magic, used my design and made it better with his experience as a machinist. Guys like that (like you) are gold for people like me that have the skill set to do it, but no tools / machines to do it. You take what we know can be done and do it. (I've trained in all matter of machining, even C&C programming years ago, as well as all matter of welding courses as well.)

> Why is that, and why is it important?

Seriously? You have no accountability for your actions - it's your sandbox.

> He was helping you 3-4 years ago, eh?
> Have you built your suspension yet?
> How much help do you need?

Still in contact with him actually. With an invite to rally his 504 sedan if I ever get the chance to get there for a rally. I explained above that suspension is sorted for the time being. Too many changes to the recipe already with brakes and the wheel upgrade, and I needed to baseline the car before doing the suspension.

Grant - I remember your brake issues, but you fall into the respected category so there was still some respect in the responses. Sure he busted your balls - but ended well. It's the other more "water bomber filled with poo" responses that give someone like me pause when trying to get a handle on John.

I don't have a personal beef with you JVL - just trying to express why it is that felt that RA had taken a down turn with a number of tangents along the way. I REALLY like this site, and the info and people on it are second to none in my mind, and at the core this site is still like that. Sadly it's the petty little shit that does the most damage.

Rabin

Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Hey man, stop bring me up.


Child don't you have any discrimination in your thought process?
I know you like 20 you'er something but fuck me learn that somebody can make a reference without it meaning that you are a baddie or evil.

You think I'm full of
> shit,

See the difference Tim is the amount of general life experience that judgements are based on, what variety of situations and peoples and encounters one has had prior to making a comment, and that is something that you do not fully incorporate in your thinking.

You are full of shit, you are remarkably proud of your ignorance.

That is based on actual contact and specifically you telling ME or ANYBODY to get off your threads. Or more in general YOU TELLING ANYBODY to DO anything.

I can strongly suggest things but I cannot say "DO IT" and after a little contact with you realizing that you are pretty much the arch-typical Eastside like boy living at home with Mommy and Daddy who has never been told no to anything, I realize there is no point in TRYING to tell you to do things. I can merely suggest.

Oddly amongst adults like Kevin or Robert or Skye or Scott, or....
I can say "You really ought to think hard about doing this..." and lo and behold they don't whine and get butthurt, and they can say to me "I think we should do it this way, numb-nuts" and I'll say Oh Okie dokie.

Maybe the difference is you think you are somehow an equal, when they are


I think you're full of shit, lets leave it
> at that.

No that's the same as Morten saying "you're a crook and blah blah, now let's bury the hatchet"

>
>
>
> EDIT again: everyone stop bringing me up as anti
> vanlandingham ammo. I'm not a plaything, leave me
> out of it, please.

Quit your fucking whining, you sound like a whiney girl.
People wouldn't be using you as an an example of what a terrible person I am if you weren't complaining to people that I was so bad to you.
Bring your goddam knuckles over so I can fix your problem and then you have no reason to complain about THAT.

You can hate me Tim but don't say I'm not willing to fix shit and make things right.

I've always said "You can hate me for what I really am and I'll have no argument, but hate me for what you think I am 9or do or won't do) and I'll fight that tooth and nail.

Grow a pair.
>
> Feisty Peacock?
>
> My noodle I doodled was ate by a poodle
>
>
>
> Edited 2 times. Last edit at May 14, 2009 by
> Dazed_Driver.

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John, get over yourself. I'm not bring my knuckles over for you to mess with. It's over and done with. Stop bringing them up. YOU have brought them up more in the last week then I haven since I picked them up.

YOU blow everything out of proportion. YOU started harassing me. YOU are the reason everyone uses me as an example.

And unlike morten, I do not want to bury the hatchet, I want you to get to a mutual point of deeming each other a fuck head like you and richardM have, so you shut the hell up about me when ever you feel you should start slandering. But you wont, and you'll reply with a huge post of how I'm a terrible person and live at home and dont respect anything. Whatever.

I've stopped caring what you think, I now just find it obnoxious im brought up as ammo against you. Remember your persona thing? As a person, you seem to be a decent guy, although very highly opinionated. Online, you are a truth bending, over exaggerating prick who will do everything in your power to make ANYTHING against who ever you dont like, while still having some form of self hype weaved in for your products. It's remarkable, really.

I'm still in awe of the fact that you claim your so busy, but you have time to make these ludicrously long posts, especially the assaults against me that have no quoted information in them. Maybe you've got a time machine?

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

Rallymech Wrote:
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> Rabin,
>
> I think that you are over reacting. I support
> free and open communications but the threads in
> question were really nasty. Those posts did not
> have anything to contribute. I am happy to see
> them deleated.
>
> As far as I know Skye is the main man. John
> doesn't have anything to do with the
> administration of the site. He just lives hear!
>
> The whole concept of anarchy is a joke in my
> opinion. There are very few people in the world
> that can handle real anarchy. Regulation is a
> natural human tendency. I have been to some
> places in the world that would qualify as being
> anarchic. Even there, people begin to make and
> enforce there own rules. Humans seek to make
> order.
>
> Robert.

In hindsight I should have deleted my original post faster - it's not worth the effort. Perceptions are what they are though - and I was trying to explain what comes across online.

Since JVL responded I was obliged to reply.

You guys have it much easier down there since you can have personal contact. SO much is lost online - but trying to convey that appearance is still detrimental was my point.

I'll only respond if responded too.

Rabin

NoCoast Wrote:
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>
> This year I was sitting at the $5 blackjack table
> and saw a friend at a different table so went and
> joined him. Turned out it was a $25 table so I
> pulled out a hundred and was like, let's see what
> happens. When I left the table an hour of so
> later I had like $400. It was awesome. Then I
> met Raelene and we played until 7 am. The pit
> boss kept coming and trying to give me free
> breakfast coupons. I told him no thanks but when
> he was ready to give me a suite for the remaining
> couple of hours to come talk to me. We turned
> $100 into $700 that night, then went back to her
> room and I still feel a little bad for the friends
> that were sleeping there. Nothing like waking up
> naked surrounded by people you don't know, with a
> dead cell phone, no hotel room key, and your
> flight leaves in 45 minutes. Luckily I was off
> and my flight didn't leave for 2 hours and I still
> barely made it.
>
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

^^ we need more threads like this.

Grant...PICS or it didn't happen

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Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/

Jon Burke Wrote:
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> ^^ we need more threads like this.
>
> Grant...PICS or it didn't happen
>

Ha. I don't even have a digital camera anymore.

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Grant Hughes

12xalt Wrote:
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> You win the way off course award for the day.

ANARCHY!!

randyzimmer Wrote:
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> 12xalt Wrote:
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> -----
> > You win the way off course award for the
> day.
>
> ANARCHY!!
>
>
>



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