bean Wrote:
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> Problem is JVL - you're not exactly the innocent
> deer in the headlights in all this.
>
> As for what changed: I never thought this was a
> JVL fanboy site when I started. Now I'm thinking
> it should just be JVL Labs customer forum - forget
> the "rally anarchy" schtick.
>
> Sure - toasting random dude that posted shit was
> called for, but Morten seemed to be have turned
> over a new leaf and had made attempts to put all
> the crap behind and work things out. It was your
> blatant refusal that kept that saga going - and no
> one else even gives a rat shit about what happened
> in 06!
>
> You can be incredibly harsh,

To those who are being assholes---whether the understand they are or not.


and you break so many
> of your own so called rules of behaviour that it's
> not even funny.

I do not lie about people.
If somebody lies about something I did and spreads it all over, then I will call them the filtly liar they are.

Our 2 rules are a real name and location, and no lies intended to harm somebody if you expect it to be believed.

I do not lie about things that occured, and I have hundreds of emails from the odffenders.

Understand this: I will return IN KIND the intent of THEIR WORDS.
>
> I believe you are truly your own worst enemy when
> it comes to your business - and it has nothing to
> do with the "he said / she said" posts, it comes
> down to how you seem to treat people that aren't
> potential customers or are unhappy customers. It
> is all done online and no I don't have the whole
> story, and yes it does skew what really happened -
> but the story I do see (as a potential customer)
> is what you advertise on these intra webs...
>
> You were very buddy buddy and very helpful when I
> was contemplating a suspension, but as soon as I
> passed on it after much research, and at this time
> of my build - I end up reading back handed insults
> in other posts about me by YOU. You brought up
> postings I made on my "home" site where I had to
> express some level of uncertaintly due to entirely
> to your own reputation - and that somehow
> qualified me as a person to insult.

Your postings, based on innuendo, and hearsay, and importantly in CONTRAST to the time and patience given you, were indeed intended to warn off people.
And therefore they IMPLY harm to me.

I stress IN CONTRAST to your own experience in the amount of time I gave you listening to your plans to ..........."

Of course I find your comments on "Your" site the height of backhandedness.
You didn't mention you talked to me for HOURS about your plans.

Doesn't mean I won't help you.
But if you're so thin skinned that some slightly prickly comments about you warning off people leads you to conclude i'm some monster, fuck me you must have a shelter life up there.
>
> I think it's great that you help the people that
> you do, but it's how you treat the others online
> that also help determine your online persona - and
> right now to me, because you said something other than "Oh gooly gee I'm so fuckin impressed that one day, 4-8 ot 10 year in the future,I'm going to build a 505 that online persona is a complete
> asshole.

(Please note: I didn't call you an
> asshole - I called your online persona - how you
> appear online - an asshole.)

Rabin I understand the difference in what you're saying about person vs "persona".
I hope you see a bit more clearly why I'm not willing to spend yet more hours listening to you talk about your plans---or going out to the junk yards here with tape measure and notebook to measure 505 front arms and rear arms, looking at the hubs for how one can mod them for a better bolt circle---on the slim chance that you'll let the plain evidence of MOST people I have had, an overwhelming majority in fact, sway your rarefied feelings of offense, and one day order something.

You see here many many people happy with my stuff, but your pick and choose a few disgruntled charcters selectively and repeat hints of "his reputation".

And you expect to remain high on my Christmas Card list????

(Yeah that was subtle fun----I ain't a Christian either, no fawkin way----but I do abide seriously in that Rabbis teaching "as you would have others......."

There were serious questions posed here, and a decent respect for the concept of dialog seems to call for an answer to the questions, but right now i gotta go weld some ears on Rob McFayden's VW struts----a guy who help run Wimpeys VW and saw what an allround nice guy I am, and of course how well the stuff works, that he decided to get them same things...

I wonder if he's all butthurt???


>
> Rabin
>
>

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Jon Burke Wrote:
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> the forum is called Rally ANARCHY....just living
> up to its name
>
>
> I subscribe to the internet protocol of 'if you
> don't like it, don't read it'. Its not like we're
> sitting at a nice restaurant and some loudmouth
> jackass just walked up and started blowing ciggy
> smoke in yer face.
>
> I skimmed that one thread for laughs...said my .02
> and intended to never look at it again. so I
> don't really care that it got deleted.
>
> My opinion on the situation? I'll keep that to
> myself. This is skye's and JVL's forum,


Nope its just on a lot here and when I'm taking care of the girls I can post....



and I'll
> go with whatever they do. If they do something I
> really don't like...then I'll just stop coming,
> plain and simple.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, I'm still here. still learning.
> not sure if I'm contributing anything yet, but oh
> well.

You're contributing.
Good questions are the lifeblood of any forum and you've asked some good ones along they way.

But more importantly, you did the right thing when you weren't sure who the fuck I was and if I was some meanie and you thought well what the fuck: YOU CALLED ON THE PHONE and we yakked about lots of stuff.

You didn't let confused hints and whispered innuendo close the book.
You acted liek a "PERSON" not a PERSONA.

And for that, even if you do drive one of those fuckin POS Sub-a-rats, we won't hold that against you, and you moved up a bunch of notches in a number of folks "Christmas Card List"
>
> Jon Burke - KI6LSW
> Blog:
> 'Holy Shit!' @ 4:10

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

I have been lurking for awhile now, and talk about a nose dive for a forum.

The strong handed tactics from ss.com, the censorship, thread delete's, and so on are some of the very reasons why the exedus from there caused this site to flourish.

Now, with good intention (much like Fidel Castro) it's turned into a place worse as strong handed as the other site.

Personally I don't think "Morten" got what he asked for. He had like Rabin mentioned "turned over a new leaf". Besides if he has been booted as he asked for 3 years ago, why is there still a post in the in the Sin Bin with his name on it ?

The administrator has left a post there with his info, and details on it. This sort of shit is the same crap pulled 3 years ago when the bin was created.

If I was Morten, I'd be pissed off.

All this has done is seal a dispute that will never be solved, other than through civil courts, and so fourth.

Where is the anarchy in that ? (anarchy = anti establishment)

This is indeed Skyes and JVL's sandbox.

JVL, your email address is even on the same server as this site, please don't pretend to be impartial.

It all seems like a big joke - hang someone out to dry in a "shaming" area of the forum because of a dispute un-related to the forum.

Okay, I'm done with my rant.

12xalt Wrote:
> ha, not me, I was a moderator at a huge HUGE site
> for years and fuck that shit, I have so much more
> fun now when I'm there, I can ignore it when
> people break the rules

What ki8ng of place? And what did you have to do?

Anders

---

Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> What would you do Grant if some guy who has no
> dealings ever with you out of the clear blue says
> he's going to call the IRS and the FBI and Dick
> Cheney and tell them to investigate you and put
> you out of work and maybe in jail?
>
> Come on this isn't just the fuckin Intra-webs.
>


Here, here. And you better tell Cheney to bring something bigger than a bird gun...

---

Kirk Coughlin
Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI

Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.

Stressful times. Having mod'ed for a few forums and shoot'em up game sites I can tell you that the very first thing you get to deal with is every whiner on the planet that wants to use your site. Even if they don't whine in public, there's a good chance some folks will "he or she said this and this and this and now it hurts when I pee" etc. Simple solution: accept that this place belongs to someone who isnt you. They've left the site open with howevermany rules in place, but they are the final arbiter in any dispute from the mundanely dumb to the overly dramatic. Are there grey areas? Sure. But some pieces of common sense need to be adhered to. Emotions, lack of experience, and stupidity can sometimes remove the buffer in your brain as to what is ok and what isnt. Luckily most of that can be solved with a beer or a diet mountain dew (or coffee or what ever crap you drink that isnt diet mountain dew) and a sit down talk.

Suggested addendum to rules: no threats of a legal nature, no threats against family. User asssumes all responsibilty upon login on that Vinny and Guido will be by to discuss terms of "seperation" if you choose to abuse the rules.

We aren't all millionares, there's a time and a place for legal mumbo jumbo. Personally, I believe we all have enough legal-ese to deal with in our rulebooks. Lets not complicate things just to invove a "seperation" clause.

Lastly, there's only two people that have ever posted on here that know any and everything thats been said between the pasta based god and the lord of sin. If youre in here bitchin to defend or attack either one of them, you're not in full possesion of the facts. speculation over deletion only ever leads to one of two things: moar spekulashion, or more "seperation"

chow!

---

Kirk Coughlin
Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI

Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.

Damn - deleted my post too late! This is a long one - but with a treat at the end.

john vanlandingham Wrote:

> To those who are being assholes---whether the
> understand they are or not.

Sorry - for anyone that's reading your acidic responses, there's no back story, so it's just you coming off looking much worse (out of the two) to a potential new customer/rallyist reading along. Or at least enough to cause some doubts

> I do not lie about people.
> If somebody lies about something I did and spreads
> it all over, then I will call them the filtly liar
> they are.

> I do not lie about things that occured, and I have
> hundreds of emails from the odffenders.

> Your postings, based on innuendo, and hearsay, and
> importantly in CONTRAST to the time and patience
> given you, were indeed intended to warn off
> people.
> And therefore they IMPLY harm to me.

You need to re-read that post of mine then as there was no malice in my post. As someone that is trusted on that site I couldn't mention you as a possible resource without some hesitation. I don't know you, and one phone call certainly doesn't absolve you of some of the posts you write. Especially combined with your interpretation of what that call was!


> I stress IN CONTRAST to your own experience in the
> amount of time I gave you listening to your plans
> to ..........."
>
> Of course I find your comments on "Your" site the
> height of backhandedness.
> You didn't mention you talked to me for HOURS
> about your plans.

See - technically that would qualify as a lie right there. I talked for about 20 to 30 minutes tops to get an idea of your willingness to do work on Peugeot stuff. I had poured over all your pictures and was in awe of your work. (Still am too.) The point of my call was to see about getting you a Peugeot strut to see what you could do. The majority of time spent was LISTENING to you and your stories. I'm Canadian - were all usually quite polite, so I listened to every damn thing you wanted to tell me. Out of interest and out of courtesy. ANYONE that has had a phone conversation with you will know that I'm telling the truth.

> Doesn't mean I won't help you.

Help sounds like I was asking for design advise... I was looking for a fabricator to evaluate what I had, to see what you could provide for coil over kit. I was hoping to just have the custom coil over part done with stock internals, as the Bilsteins were not necessary at the time. Built to existing spec - I just wanted the sleeves, collars and stuff so I could run the tarmac spring rates I have for the car. Me not wanting the super bitching suspenders seemed be where things went down hill. (After careful consideration and research)

> But if you're so thin skinned that some slightly
> prickly comments about you warning off people
> leads you to conclude i'm some monster, fuck me
> you must have a shelter life up there.

If said to me personally or even directly and not veiled in some innuendo with a backhanded comment about french car owners - maybe it would have been easier to discuss with you. I addressed it with a bit of humour, and I stood behind my posting with links to the actual posts instead of your interpretation of them, so others could see what was said and everything. It was dropped after that.

> > right now to me, because you said something
> other than "Oh gooly gee I'm so fuckin impressed
> that one day, 4-8 ot 10 year in the future,I'm
> going to build a 505 that online persona is a
> complete
> > asshole.

I got nothing - that doesn't really make sense.

> Rabin I understand the difference in what you're
> saying about person vs "persona".

Good.

> I hope you see a bit more clearly why I'm not
> willing to spend yet more hours listening to you
> talk about your plans

Yes - because I never talked for hours about them. I also do not need, nor have I ever needed your wisdom, advice, or even services you provided. I did think it would be cool to involve you in my project and evaluate you as a fabricator to see if any of your advise, wisdom or your services would aid my project. (There's a difference)

---or going out to the junk
> yards here with tape measure and notebook to
> measure 505 front arms and rear arms, looking at
> the hubs for how one can mod them for a better
> bolt circle---on the slim chance that you'll let
> the plain evidence of MOST people I have had, an
> overwhelming majority in fact, sway your rarefied
> feelings of offense, and one day order something.

Technically another lie. I never once suggested or mentioned you go to a junk yard to measure any shit. I said I could have someone drop off a strut for you to evaluate to see if it could be something you could work with. YOU suggested you knew someone that bought a 505 diesel that you could take a look at. That's it.

> You see here many many people happy with my stuff,
> but your pick and choose a few disgruntled
> charcters selectively and repeat hints of "his
> reputation".

It's not just that there are a few disgruntled people - it's your utter distain for them as people that I find disturbing. You'd be far better off to just ignore it and simple reply that you've done everything possible. If anyone would like your side - contact you by phone. Your rants against them online make YOU look like the crazy dude, and it gives pause to anyone reading - about you.

> And you expect to remain high on my Christmas Card
> list????
>
> (Yeah that was subtle fun----I ain't a Christian
> either, no fawkin way----but I do abide seriously
> in that Rabbis teaching "as you would have
> others......."

Not sure you follow that one there sparky... (But still funny)

>
> There were serious questions posed here, and a
> decent respect for the concept of dialog seems to
> call for an answer to the questions, but right now
> i gotta go weld some ears on Rob McFayden's VW
> struts----a guy who help run Wimpeys VW and saw
> what an allround nice guy I am, and of course how
> well the stuff works, that he decided to get them
> same things...

That's the part that's baffling. You can and do build awesome stuff, and you have very good friends that defend you to the end. That's the part that's confusing when (for instance) you take a strip off Timm and it makes you look like a total psyco. Very much the Jeckyl and Hyde type deal - on the one hand you're a doting father of two girls (I have a 2 year old girl), super helpful master fabricator, and then total prick... Hard to know what you'll get when you read a thread.

You definitely have good buddies, you have very happy customers - but it's rare to see them call you on something when you cross the line. Not sure if they're scared of the withdrawl of services you provide, or if they know it's useless.

I work in customer services, and as a business owner you'd be so much better off if you just ignored the negative (better yet would be to suck it up and find a resolution) and focused on what you are good at. Its the poo you sling that does you in.

And yes, I agree fully that this is JVL's sandbox, but to clarify a bit, I think Skye owns the yard it's in.

If you read this far - here's a treat. Photo gallery of the 8th Historic Acropolis Rally.

http://www.r40.gr/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=50415

The guy that's helping me with technical suspension info is the guy that restored (and should be driving) the ex works 504 Coupe, and has helped prepped the two 504's smoking their tires on exit. Now to see if I can find results.



Rabin



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2009 12:36AM by bean.

bean Wrote:
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> You definitely have good buddies, you have very
> happy customers - but it's rare to see them call
> you on something when you cross the line. Not
> sure if they're scared of the withdrawl of
> services you provide, or if they know it's
> useless.

Umm... I think I recall a time I was bitching about my front brakes from John. Turns out they are amazing and I was just being a vagina and it was really nothing and all it took was me going and picking up a 7/16 - 20 tap and all was good. We had some nice arguments there and I fell a bit down the Xmas card list. We all can be dumb asses and vaginas once in a while, but it's the type of person that can realize and accept that and fix it that succeed. Take Timm's ears for example. Instead of talking to John and getting it resolved, he first had to say something about it here (much like I did with my brakes I might add) instead of just calling John and saying, hey, can we deal with this issue. It's an unfortunate side effect of the internet. It's so quick and easy and right there and sometimes we might be a little fast to hit that post button.
And now I have to add, the brakes were fine from the start and they are the best front brake setup for a Merkur out there. They're almost too good at times, I'm still adjusting to them. First event I found myself braking for a corner, then back on the gas to get to the corner, but I was also on Michelin's, not those crap ass tires that begin with a H and end with a K that are only a slight step up from Falken's.

---

Grant Hughes

bean Wrote:
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> Damn - deleted my post too late! This is a long
> one - but with a treat at the end.
>
> john vanlandingham Wrote:
>
> > To those who are being assholes---whether
> the
> > understand they are or not.
>
> > Your postings, based on innuendo, and
> hearsay, and
> > importantly in CONTRAST to the time and
> patience
> > given you, were indeed intended to warn off
> > people.
> > And therefore they IMPLY harm to me.
>
> You need to re-read that post of mine then as
> there was no malice in my post. As someone that
> is trusted on that site I couldn't mention you as
> a possible resource without some hesitation. I
> don't know you, and one phone call certainly
> doesn't absolve you of some of the posts you
> write. Especially combined with your
> interpretation of what that call was!
>
>
> > I stress IN CONTRAST to your own experience
> in the
> > amount of time I gave you listening to your
> plans
> > to ..........."
> >
> > Of course I find your comments on "Your" site
> the
> > height of backhandedness.
> > You didn't mention you talked to me for
> HOURS
> > about your plans.
>
> See - technically that would qualify as a lie
> right there. I talked for about 20 to 30 minutes
> tops to get an idea of your willingness to do work
> on Peugeot stuff.


Well we can argue about that till the cows come home, let's re-prase that to "What seemed like hours", OK?
Cause my recollection was it seemed like hours.

I spoke with Anders Green today and was surprised to see that we spoke for over an hour, surprised because it was, as always when talking with Anders, interesting, open, funny, and time flies when you're having fun.

Very interesting that you choose to call it a lie.



I had poured over all your
> pictures and was in awe of your work. (Still am
> too.) The point of my call was to see about
> getting you a Peugeot strut to see what you could
> do. The majority of time spent was LISTENING to
> you and your stories. I'm Canadian - were all
> usually quite polite, so I listened to every damn
> thing you wanted to tell me. Out of interest and
> out of courtesy. ANYONE that has had a phone
> conversation with you will know that I'm telling
> the truth.
>
> > Doesn't mean I won't help you.
>
> Help sounds like I was asking for design advise...
> I was looking for a fabricator to evaluate what I
> had, to see what you could provide for coil over
> kit. I was hoping to just have the custom coil
> over part done with stock internals, as the
> Bilsteins were not necessary at the time. Built to
> existing spec - I just wanted the sleeves, collars
> and stuff so I could run the tarmac spring rates I
> have for the car. Me not wanting the super
> bitching suspenders seemed be where things went
> down hill. (After careful consideration and
> research)
>
> > But if you're so thin skinned that some
> slightly
> > prickly comments about you warning off
> people
> > leads you to conclude i'm some monster, fuck
> me
> > you must have a shelter life up there.
>
> If said to me personally or even directly and not
> veiled in some innuendo with a backhanded comment
> about french car owners -

I have owned and quite literally lived in my Pug 404 diesels and depended on them for my livelihood. I know that virtually every modern car made today incorporates numerous individual design elements and parts designed and made on mass market cars first in the world by the French.
I respect their design capabilities and more so than that their passion about what they do.

It is without a doubt also my favorite country of all those I have lived and worked in by a good margin.
Indeed I owe my meeting and eventually marrying my wonderful wife to some comments in an early meeting about France and their national motto and how even as a dumb fuck kid in the US South in the late 50s/early 60s the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" resonated in my head as so much more direct than out American "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Be that as it is, I poke fun at EVERY car and ALL car owners.
Openly. You, I, we are all insane to do what we do.

The difference is that when I am swearing at Robert "Rally Mech" aka "Service Nazi"s Golf or Tom Buress' POS Rarebit and asking what is wrong with their ancestry for choosing this kaka, they hear the words, but see the fact that I'm pounding my (extremely limited) imagination to see if there's some way to improve their car performance, durability, and/or service life and the also SEE the grin and the dramatic, exaggerated gestures and "over the top" playing while I'm helping them and presumably let the totality of what I'm doing be what they make their judgments on.

They are not looking for offense. It seems that you are looking for offense, and quell surprise! you find it.




maybe it would have been
> easier to discuss with you. I addressed it with a
> bit of humour, and I stood behind my posting with
> links to the actual posts instead of your
> interpretation of them, so others could see what
> was said and everything. It was dropped after
> that.

Oh so my interpretation, ie how i feel about your loaded words "based on his reputation" is irrelevant.
OK. I see. You can say words full of portent, but I make some lame jokes about Froggiemobiles and I am a baddie, OK.
>
> > > right now to me, because you said
> something
> > other than "Oh gooly gee I'm so fuckin
> impressed
> > that one day, 4-8 ot 10 year in the
> future,I'm
> > going to build a 505 that online persona is
> a
> > complete
> > > asshole.
>
> I got nothing - that doesn't really make sense.

It made perfect sense, it is a bit longer sentence but it makes sense.

>
> > Rabin I understand the difference in what
> you're
> > saying about person vs "persona".
>
> Good.
>
> > I hope you see a bit more clearly why I'm
> not
> > willing to spend yet more hours listening to
> you
> > talk about your plans
>
> Yes - because I never talked for hours about them.
> I also do not need, nor have I ever needed your
> wisdom, advice, or even services you provided. I
> did think it would be cool to involve you in my
> project and evaluate you as a fabricator to see if
> any of your advise, wisdom or your services would
> aid my project. (There's a difference)

To be honest you sounded very unsure of what you were trying to do and it sounded like you needed lots of advice. LOTS.
You seemed to say you had everything to build what you needed from all these sources.

Have you completed your suspension?


>
> ---or going out to the junk
> > yards here with tape measure and notebook to
> > measure 505 front arms and rear arms, looking
> at
> > the hubs for how one can mod them for a
> better
> > bolt circle---on the slim chance that you'll
> let
> > the plain evidence of MOST people I have had,
> an
> > overwhelming majority in fact, sway your
> rarefied
> > feelings of offense, and one day order
> something.
>
> Technically another lie.


You know i really don't like people calling me a liar Rabin.
Even if they couch it terms like "technically".

>I never once suggested
> or mentioned you go to a junk yard to measure any
> shit.

And I never once suggested that YOU suggested I do go out to a yard.

I said I went out to a yard---was going there on a multiple mission and that was just one of them. Since I was, and since you sounded extremely confused about what a car needs to be even half competitive in fun rallies, I took a tape measure and note pad along just to make notes so I would have lengths and positions for fixing points, wheel clearance etc so at least somebody would be clear in the off chance you eventually decided to build the car and eventually decide to get something servicable and durable.

So you have called me a liar based on your own skewed reading into my words meaning and intent that is clearly not there.

Not very nice of you who claim to be so polite and listen so well.

Tsk tsk!







>
> > You see here many many people happy with my
> stuff,
> > but your pick and choose a few disgruntled
> > charcters selectively and repeat hints of
> "his
> > reputation".
>
> It's not just that there are a few disgruntled
> people - it's your utter distain for them as
> people that I find disturbing. You'd be far
> better off to just ignore it and simple reply that
> you've done everything possible. If anyone would
> like your side - contact you by phone. Your rants
> against them online make YOU look like the crazy
> dude, and it gives pause to anyone reading - about
> you.

I freely admit that I must be crazy to be doing this.

>
> > And you expect to remain high on my Christmas
> Card
> > list????
> >
> > (Yeah that was subtle fun----I ain't a
> Christian
> > either, no fawkin way----but I do abide
> seriously
> > in that Rabbis teaching "as you would have
> > others......."
>
> Not sure you follow that one there sparky... (But
> still funny)

I may have made an error on your ethnicity based on your first name and its resemblance to a well known head of state. (Rest in Peace, Rabin)(The other one)

>
> >
> > There were serious questions posed here, and
> a
> > decent respect for the concept of dialog
> seems to
> > call for an answer to the questions, but
> right now
> > i gotta go weld some ears on Rob McFayden's
> VW
> > struts----a guy who help run Wimpeys VW and
> saw
> > what an allround nice guy I am, and of course
> how
> > well the stuff works, that he decided to get
> them
> > same things...
>
> That's the part that's baffling. You can and do
> build awesome stuff, and you have very good
> friends that defend you to the end. That's the
> part that's confusing when (for instance) you take
> a strip off Timm and it makes you look like a
> total psyco.

My beef with little Timmy, aside from phone calls when I'm working to ask if he should get a carbon fiber hood scoop (or some such similar nonsense) rests on 2 specific things:
1) Timmy whines at me to get off "his" thread when he's posed a something to discuss.
This being a discussion forum, it seems a little odd for a person to tell anybody not to discuss his ideas. So he gets a clear explanation in the form of a question "who is he to tell anybody to shut up?"

2) he whines about an error in positioning his weld on part for YEARS after it was done and years after he was told, BRING IT BACK and I'll reposition it.
A simple fuckin solution.
He chooses not to do that and instead complains instead.
That is bullshit.
He also complained that "I sold his springs (or shocks)" and the replacements were a couple of weeks in arriving, and brings that up repeatedly.

The fact that the car was an empty shell, and even today a couple or 3 years later it still doesn't have an engine in it seems to make no difference, I sold his whatever to somebody with more pressing timetable and he had to wait a couple of weeks means I'm a big meanie.

I wonder how much Kevin Hawkinson hates me? I think I've "repo-ed" his shocks about 4 times and his springs in the back I believe at least 6 times, maybe 7, the latest time just 10 days ago to give to Tom Buress who is feverishly trying to get is car done and get some test time before Idaho.
I wonder why Kevin isn't shedding bitter tears?

Could it be because Kevin is an adult?




Very much the Jeckyl and Hyde type
> deal - on the one hand you're a doting father of
> two girls (I have a 2 year old girl), super
> helpful master fabricator, and then total prick...

You didn't get the hint about "and as you would have others do unto you, so shall ye do unto them" See, I thought you were Jewish so I thought quoting a great rabbi's words would echo in your head.
My mistake.

Rabin, I'm very aware that there is a dichotomous response to whoever I am.
Very few people are indifferent, some like me, a few have an near irrational hate for me. Same words from me, even same words in different languages (after all the words are merely referents to some "thing" or idea or concept so there's nothing inherently enraging about one word vs the other) and occasionally polar responses.

I posit that when there are these polar response, then the difference is to be found inside the head of the "listener".

I will freely admit that I very little time or patience with stupidity of the obstinate type. And zero for people who unilaterally tell me what they have decided I will do to make them happy.

They can go fuck themselves.
> Hard to know what you'll get when you read a
> thread.
>
> You definitely have good buddies, you have very
> happy customers - but it's rare to see them call
> you on something when you cross the line.
Not
> sure if they're scared of the withdrawl of
> services you provide, or if they know it's
> useless.

It's because MY FRIENDS and my GOOD customers discuss things.

Example: Vittorio Barres, madman Audi guy from Nude Hampster orders 50mm Bilsteins.
We discuss the top mounts, he makes the good point he need sto be able to shove in road car junk for -25 winter events so the mounts must work for both my Soooper Bitchin stuff and stock stuff.
That glorified oivergrown Rabbit had a M14 x 1.5 theaded stud, the ex works Subie inserts had a 19mm pin topped by a M12 x 1,5 nut.
I happly carve up the thing to be all Audi like, and he has a buddy helping with the install who is running the nut down and bang they break off the top pin.
JEEEEZUZ!! Then the look at the thing and the gawddam thing is hollow! Fuckin Prodrive save---are you ready?---8-10 grams, but left the walls too thin.

Telephone calls ensue. Vittorio's not stupid (he may be crazy, but not uno stupido!) he knows there was no way any half awake person would even imagine the pins were hollow so no raving or I'm taking you to court, no simpering online where a temporary problem lives forever. We talk. The cob some temporary solution together, and as soon as they can, he sends the inserts back and I make new solid tops , weld them on and send them back. No Charge. I also did a deal to get him some truly Soooper Bitchin Top mounts out of Sweden at my expense to make up for things, about $300.
Everybody is happy in the end.
He knows there is NOTHING at all available so he appreciates that I'm making extra effort to help him with his obscure car.

The problems and the solution of the bronze bushing saga i have already detailed, again all the customer's (except Chris Walsh!! Where is he? no answers to email!!Grrrrrrr!) have gotten replacements at no cost to them because they ascribe no ill will or evil intent to me, and they TALK, not merely write.


>
> I work in customer services, and as a business
> owner you'd be so much better off if you just
> ignored the negative (better yet would be to suck
> it up and find a resolution) and focused on what
> you are good at. Its the poo you sling that does
> you in.

The only poo that is flung is the poo that is wiped off my face when somebody has thrown it in my face.

I gently suggest that if you were involved in manufacturing---ie something tangible---then you might understand better how sometimes things are not always ideal and that to make something right--especially when the fuckin POS car is 5000km away---sometimes takes so doing.

Again, I stress that I find resolutions with reasonable adults. .

>
> And yes, I agree fully that this is JVL's sandbox,
> but to clarify a bit, I think Skye owns the yard
> it's in.

Why is that, and why is it important?
>
> If you read this far - here's a treat. Photo
> gallery of the 8th Historic Acropolis Rally.
>
>
>
> The guy that's helping me with technical
> suspension info is the guy that restored (and
> should be driving) the ex works 504 Coupe, and has
> helped prepped the two 504's smoking their tires
> on exit. Now to see if I can find results.

He was helping you 3-4 years ago, eh?
Have you built your suspension yet?
How much help do you need?
>
>
>
> Rabin

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

NoCoast Wrote:
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> bean Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You definitely have good buddies, you have
> very
> > happy customers - but it's rare to see them
> call
> > you on something when you cross the line.
> Not
> > sure if they're scared of the withdrawl of
> > services you provide, or if they know it's
> > useless.
>
> Umm... I think I recall a time I was bitching
> about my front brakes from John. Turns out they
> are amazing and I was just being a vagina and it
> was really nothing and all it took was me going
> and picking up a 7/16 - 20 tap and all was good.
> We had some nice arguments there and I fell a bit
> down the Xmas card list. We all can be dumb asses
> and vaginas once in a while, but it's the type of
> person that can realize and accept that and fix it
> that succeed. Take Timm's ears for example.
> Instead of talking to John and getting it
> resolved, he first had to say something about it
> here (much like I did with my brakes I might add)
> instead of just calling John and saying, hey, can
> we deal with this issue. It's an unfortunate side
> effect of the internet. It's so quick and easy
> and right there and sometimes we might be a little
> fast to hit that post button.
> And now I have to add, the brakes were fine from
> the start and they are the best front brake setup
> for a Merkur out there. They're almost too good
> at times, I'm still adjusting to them. First
> event I found myself braking for a corner, then
> back on the gas to get to the corner, but I was
> also on Michelin's, not those crap ass tires that
> begin with a H and end with a K that are only a
> slight step up from Falken's.
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

Silly Rabbit, I know your bitchin was just clickity clacity shit----fuckin kids text and pm way faster than you guys can think, so what the fuck. But as I say when you do that, the original "sperm of the moment" crying about a PRODUCT or me is there permanently.

And Grant vaginas are nice things, they're hours of fun!!!
I think the concept you were reaching for is Can't Understand Normal Thinking....

Don't be dissing no pussy!

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Nemesis Wrote:
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> I have been lurking for awhile now, and talk about
> a nose dive for a forum.


And despite the fact that several people have asked you to finish the name and location thing, one of the only 2 requirements here, you still refuse to do so.

>
> The strong handed tactics from ss.com, the
> censorship, thread delete's, and so on are some of
> the very reasons why the exedus from there caused
> this site to flourish.

The problem is they obviously favor one Corporation and brook no serious criticism of the policies of a small coterie of people, and exceercise their stuff against some of people most generous in their contribution of good solid advice with serious foundations.
>
> Now, with good intention (much like Fidel Castro)
> it's turned into a place worse as strong handed as
> the other site.


1 single piece of moderation against a guy threatening me and fulfilling a guy's wishes, a guy who didn't understand that he can't FIRST CALL PEOPLE, ME, Criminal, incompetent, dishonest, "not treating customers right" and threaten to call the law on me and INS on the forum owner----and then while those words still are available and accessible and REPEATED over 4 years later, then say "Let's be buddies!!!!"

ONE single moderator action since nearly 4 YEARS, and we're some sort of monsters.

Fuck me. You cannot be serious.

Go fill in your name and location like so you're in compliance then you can posture about things and have a shred of moral weight.

>

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Hey man, stop bring me up. You think I'm full of shit, I think you're full of shit, lets leave it at that.



EDIT again: everyone stop bringing me up as anti vanlandingham ammo. I'm not a plaything, leave me out of it, please.

---

Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.



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Nemesis Wrote:
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> I have been lurking for awhile now, and talk about
> a nose dive for a forum.
>
> The strong handed tactics from ss.com, the
> censorship, thread delete's, and so on are some of
> the very reasons why the exedus from there caused
> this site to flourish.
>
> Now, with good intention (much like Fidel Castro)
> it's turned into a place worse as strong handed as
> the other site.
>
> Personally I don't think "Morten" got what he
> asked for. He had like Rabin mentioned "turned
> over a new leaf". Besides if he has been booted as
> he asked for 3 years ago, why is there still a
> post in the in the Sin Bin with his name on it ?
>
> The administrator has left a post there with his
> info, and details on it. This sort of shit is the
> same crap pulled 3 years ago when the bin was
> created.
>
> If I was Morten, I'd be pissed off.
>
> All this has done is seal a dispute that will
> never be solved, other than through civil courts,
> and so fourth.
>
> Where is the anarchy in that ? (anarchy = anti
> establishment)
>
> This is indeed Skyes and JVL's sandbox.
>
> JVL, your email address is even on the same server
> as this site, please don't pretend to be
> impartial.
>
> It all seems like a big joke - hang someone out to
> dry in a "shaming" area of the forum because of a
> dispute un-related to the forum.
>
> Okay, I'm done with my rant.
>
>
>
>


Thomas,

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It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favour of vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion.
William Ralph Inge

TANSTAAFL

Anders Green Wrote:
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> 12xalt Wrote:
> > ha, not me, I was a moderator at a huge HUGE
> site
> > for years and fuck that shit, I have so much
> more
> > fun now when I'm there, I can ignore it when
> > people break the rules
>
> What ki8ng of place? And what did you have to do?
>
> Anders
>
> Raleigh, NC
> Impreza H6 3.0

it's an evil place

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in any case, it's usually pretty open about everything, but they do tend to crack down on racism and trolling and posting unlinked nudes, etc

when I first started there it was much more laid back, but then it started getting bigger and bigger and I was made a mod, at first it was fine, when I was posting if I came across anything that shouldn't be there I'd edit to a link if it was a pic and then give the person who did the offending a warning (if they continued to do it I'd ask a super mod to ban then for a bit, usually a few days). But it got so big, and with so many people breaking rules that eventually I'd spend 2-3 hours a night doing my "work" before I could go and play. Just the thread titles or the people starting them would let me know I probably had to go and yell at someone and do some editing, etc.

One of the things I do miss though were the thread title change wars some of us would have with each other, taking them and making them funny. Sometimes it was a friend who we'd know would get a laugh, sometimes it was a trouble poster that we'd do it to piss them off.

All in all though, I never liked that there were so many rules (and it's one of the places with the least amount imo) and that people should just use their ignore lists and if they are at work make the settings so that pics don't show up as anything other than links.






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