Hmm so if other people around here started the "Northwest Rally Club" and tried to find new roads or whatever, the could, in essence, start a whole new rally but calling RA or NRS... Correct?

They would just need to get gear, and workers?

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> hmmm. I see.
>
> And how does one acquire the rights to a rally,
> like say wild west, or doo wops, or olympus? Are
> they purchases from the previous "owner" or is it
> a tradition thing that the olympus rally USUALLY
> will go on, each year?

Olympus is owned by the Nagel family. John Nagel was the organizer for Olympus when it was a WRC event. He passed away a few years ago. Olympus ran until 1989 and then took a break until McQuaid brought it back in 2006.

Olympus has an additional name complication because of that international sporting event that happens every four years. There is supposedly an agreement that says that the rally won't be so many miles from Olympia.

Pacific Forest is a Canadian national rally run in BC. In the past, there has been a completely difference Pacific Forest Rally held in WA.

alan

The Summer Olympics? How does that interfere with Olympus every year?

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Hmm so if other people around here started the
> "Northwest Rally Club" and tried to find new roads
> or whatever, the could, in essence, start a whole
> new rally but calling RA or NRS... Correct?
>
> They would just need to get gear, and workers?

Yes, and competitors, which is trickier than it might seem.

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> The Summer Olympics? How does that interfere with
> Olympus every year?

The International Olympics Committee is very aggressive in pursuing trademark infringement cases concerning a variety words relating to the Olympics. They have a very broad interpretation of what constitutes infringement.

ahhh thats makes sense, then. Stupid... but makes sense.

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tipo158 Wrote:
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> Dazed_Driver Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > hmmm. I see.
> >
> > And how does one acquire the rights to a
> rally,
> > like say wild west, or doo wops, or olympus?
> Are
> > they purchases from the previous "owner" or
> is it
> > a tradition thing that the olympus rally
> USUALLY
> > will go on, each year?
>
> Olympus is owned by the Nagel family. John Nagel
> was the organizer for Olympus when it was a WRC
> event. He passed away a few years ago. Olympus
> ran until 1989 and then took a break until McQuaid
> brought it back in 2006.
>
> Olympus has an additional name complication
> because of that international sporting event that
> happens every four years. There is supposedly an
> agreement that says that the rally won't be so
> many miles from Olympia.
>
> Pacific Forest is a Canadian national rally run in
> BC. In the past, there has been a completely
> difference Pacific Forest Rally held in WA.
>
> alan
>
>

Alan,

Nagel lost the name Olympus, all rights, the equipment to the SCCA in a lawsuit in the early 90's I believe. The SCCA held the name Olympus until around 2001 when they released it to public domain. The federal website is down so I can't provide you the link at this time. It is public record however. The equipment, computers, boxes of records and stuff were stored for a while in the attic at Damitios body shop in Olympia. Steve currently has Olympus registered with the state of Washington and has since 2006.

https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/dolprod/bpdLicenseQuery/lqsSearchResults.aspx?SessID=8563

The Olympic Committee story is just that. Some days it is a 45 mile limit, others it is a 70 mile limit. There are 120plus business' in Washington alone that have Olympus in their name, several hundred in a quick search of California, must be thousands nation wide. Do you think they all ahve agreements with the Olympic committee? Seriously? Same as the story about Subaru NW insisting that all our rallies be FIA listed. Same as the story that Ray Damitio lost the Capital Forest roads. Same as the story that Weyerhauser gave us permission to use their roads in 2007,2008,2009. Same as the story that PRG workers will not work under the RA timing system. Sad part is many innocent people have heard these stories and believe them. Show me some documentation to back up Foresprings stories...

Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Hmm so if other people around here started the
> "Northwest Rally Club" and tried to find new roads
> or whatever, the could, in essence, start a whole
> new rally but calling RA or NRS... Correct?
>
> They would just need to get gear, and workers?
>
> Feisty Peacock?
>
> My noodle I doodled was ate by a poodle


Tim....

What you are talking about is something that we just went through here in Colorado.

Last year we formed the Colorado Rally Cup (in its first year we were a sticker championship that tied events together to promote consistent attendance (some success, some failure)).

This year we took that organizational system, expanded it to be a more traditional championship (with a registration fee) and utilized the competitor base that supports that championship to help target off set the organization of an all new, single venue, rally.

The result was an event, which, after a couple of unforseen expenses related to rescheduling the event, resulted in a loss of ~$450.00 ( with a single un expected $400.00 expense accounting for most of the deficit). The other benefit is now we have additional people familiar with the process of working with a sanctioning body, meeting those requirements, putting together things like a route book, safety plan, and operations plan, as well as running a rally. The other plus is that we started to integrate some new workers into the knowledge pool (I don't expect many of them will volunteer again without a personal phone call but getting the knowledge out there is important).

The other benefit is we now have a "rally in a box" that can be ran with far less start up effort at any point in the future.

The consensus also is that while it was a single venue with a single stage run 4 times, that the course was one of the most demanding and relentless car and driver taxing non-car breaking (meaning not very rough) that any of our competitors had ever seen. We feel confident that we could in theory run the event to as much as a Co2 or maybe 3 rally (or two or three Co1 events). There also happen to be a couple of other roads, on private property, that may or may not be available in the future.


Should a new club be formed I would HIGHLY advise that its first attempt at an event be one of two things. 1) a TSD event (route building, controls, and permitting are all key skills to be learned but it is typically easier to get permission for a TSD than for closing the actual roads (typically isn't always though!)) 2) a single venue, private property rally (less permitting obstacles without as many politics and far fewer groups whose interests must be managed).

Well, im mainly just curious what has to happen to put a rally on.

Maybe the people here who have road ideas and want more night stages and whatever else they could feasibly change could band together.

I'm 20. I have WAY to many other things to like go to school, chase girls, finish and race my car, mountain bike, ski, and work, among other things that would get in the way of my starting a club. However, its an interesting idea to form a club, take yearly member dues to start a bit of cash flow, and stage a coup...

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The worst thing about putting an an event will be finding a location and getting permissions. The second issue would be staffing. Third would be equipment.

Find a suitable location, make a presentation, both RA and NRS have lots of data and guidance. You'll need to explain the actual risks, the insurance , the benefits and honestly don't try to cover up potential issues. Be honest and open. After the event be sure to clean up, put things back in order and thank the landowners.

For a small event, one stage or closed venue we have enough people for staffing right here. We can get by with stop watches and FRS radios. Real clocks aren't that expensive and I've heard a couple organizers threaten to buy some to escape some of the current political issues.

If priced right, timed right ( not on top of an existing event) people will show. The interenet and word of mouth will be sufficient. You will however lose some competitors who worry more about season points than seat time. Silly boys.

Shouldn't ever be an issue with "stealing" event names, why would you?

Stealing names, who'd do that when there's plenty of nice names that almost have household recognition:
Old Limp Puss
Wild Waste
sNore Waster
Who? wops?
Pooo Flops. (think of a big steamin cow-pie)



(want me to go on? and this is before I've awoken fully and finished one cuppa tea!)

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Stealing names, who'd do that when there's plenty
> of nice names that almost have household
> recognition:
> Old Limp Puss
> Wild Waste
> sNore Waster
> Who? wops?
> Pooo Flops. (think of a big steamin cow-pie)
>
>
>
> (want me to go on? and this is before I've awoken
> fully and finished one cuppa tea!)
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

You asshole, now I have to clean up a coffeee spill. Too early ...

heymagic Wrote:
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> Nagel lost the name Olympus, all rights, the
> ... [ stuff deleted ]
> Steve currently has Olympus registered with the state of
> Washington and has since 2006.

OK. Whatever. What I am learning is that, when it comes to rally, never believe anything anyone tells you. Including this

> The Olympic Committee story is just that. Some
> days it is a 45 mile limit, others it is a 70 mile
> limit. There are 120plus business' in Washington
> alone that have Olympus in their name, several
> hundred in a quick search of California, must be
> thousands nation wide. Do you think they all ahve
> agreements with the Olympic committee? Seriously?

Yes. The IOC went after a restaurant in Forks around 2005 and prevailed. Back when the Olympics were in Atlanta, they went after a couple places that had been using Olympics-ish names for years. There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason when they decide to go after you.

Having said that, I don't know if they have ever really communicated with anyone concerning the Olympus Rally.

I would be concerned because they have acted somewhat randomly in the past and have deep pockets.

alan

tipo158 Wrote:
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> heymagic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nagel lost the name Olympus, all rights, the
> > ... [ stuff deleted ]
> > Steve currently has Olympus registered with
> the state of
> > Washington and has since 2006.
>
> OK. Whatever. What I am learning is that, when
> it comes to rally, never believe anything anyone
> tells you. Including this
>
> > The Olympic Committee story is just that.
> Some
> > days it is a 45 mile limit, others it is a 70
> mile
> > limit. There are 120plus business' in
> Washington
> > alone that have Olympus in their name,
> several
> > hundred in a quick search of California, must
> be
> > thousands nation wide. Do you think they all
> ahve
> > agreements with the Olympic committee?
> Seriously?
>
> Yes. The IOC went after a restaurant in Forks
> around 2005 and prevailed. Back when the Olympics
> were in Atlanta, they went after a couple places
> that had been using Olympics-ish names for years.
> There doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason when they
> decide to go after you.
>
> Having said that, I don't know if they have ever
> really communicated with anyone concerning the
> Olympus Rally.
>
> I would be concerned because they have acted
> somewhat randomly in the past and have deep
> pockets.
>
> alan
>
>
>

So have they ever threatened to sue the city of Olympia or the Olympic mountain range and the Mt. Olympus there? I mean it's all pretty ridiculous since they have name precedence over the modern Olympic games and that's where the Olympus rally and any other local business takes it's name from.

Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> So have they ever threatened to sue the city of
> Olympia or the Olympic mountain range and the Mt.
> Olympus there? I mean it's all pretty ridiculous
> since they have name precedence over the modern
> Olympic games and that's where the Olympus rally
> and any other local business takes it's name
> from.

I agree.

Just a guess, but maybe a) they only go after relatively weak targets and b) they do enough "cease and desist" letters and lawsuits to demonstrate that they are defending their trademark should that come up in a future lawsuit.

alan